I was merely using this as an example of how all opinions matter as to when Physiolojik went against the common grain, aka KSman and changed the whole forum outlook. I was more or less taking a step back from my harsh comments and stating all opinions matter. I do feel you don’t qualify them enough.
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I think your looking into things too much. Im just sharing my experiences of using lower doses of cycles. Ive seen many different posts on different sites where guys are on over a 1000mg per week for their first cycle. My idea is to show that lower doses work fine especially a typical gym rat wanting to get in good shape. Atleast starting low, one can increase the dose if needed. The gram a week guys doesnt have far to go other than lots of side effects.
Thats just my opinion i have learnt through my experiences. If someone learns from them then good, if not thats no problem. Im sure thats what you are tryingto do yourself. We let people learn from our experiences etc
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I’ll shake hands to that.
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This ain’t it, chief. You may have philosophical disagreements with @blshaw but the guy has never, not once, ever put someone’s health at risk on this forum. Argue all you want about everything else, but don’t take those kind of cheap shots at a guy who’s been good to a lot of members here. I’d say you owe him an apology, but that’s not my place to dictate.
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Yeah but can you run it at 500mg for 5 weeks and 2 weeks pct after 5 weeks so 7 weeks all together aince deca still active from last pin in week 5.
Because it is said that it is slow release and on websites it is recommended to run yes at least 400-600mg but for 10-12 weeks if Deca only.
With test different story. Can do for less than 10-12 weeks.
That is my question. Will 500mg Deca only have an effect for 5 weeks on or would it be a waste of time knowing it is still activw. How much muscle would you gain?
All good mate. I think we can agree to disagree on small things but really in the big picture we are both on the same page👍
Hey guys. So first pin of deca was 300mg then second was a week after at 600mg. I have noticed increases in strength and size. However my sex drive has seem to have gone down and although I can get hard and masturbate three times a day and cum with no issues whatsoever it still kind of feels like my penis is a little limp. Im thinking of stopping the deca all together or maybe just lowering the dose to 100mg per week and riding it out for another 7-8 weeks and then do pct of nolva and clomid.
However my nippls do seem a little puffy. I am trying to find arimidex to take for the nips. What else should I be taking to get rid of side effects?
I might get test e soon and was thinking of just pinning 100mg deca tomorrow and then starting test e at 500mg per week for 8-10 weeks with arimidex eod and nolva and clomid for pct after the 8-10 weeks of test e only. So drop deca all together because i do not want any sides.
What do you guys think? Need to get rid of this semi gyno and semi limp dick ASAP.
Basically one more pin of 100mg of deca tomorrow then in 4-5 days start;
Test E at 500mg/week for 8-10 weeks without Deca.
This is a very, very bad idea. Any issues you’re having now will be magnified by an unknown multiple. You will have zero testosterone plus too little estradiol. You’ll be a mess and a half.
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Should I drop the Deca and just run test e for 500mg per week for 8-10 weeks? Scared of the Deca sides. Have only done 1x300mg pin, 1x600mg pin and tomorrow 1x100mg pin of Deca. Should have test e in 4-5 days.
What should I do. I already have taken 300mg, 600mg and its been two weeks? How do I fixed the sides and recover ASAP??
Maybe. Should I take HCG dueing cycle or after?
Minimal huh? Must be sarcasm!
You should be taking a blood test. You don’t know if your nipple issue is E2 or prolactin. Taking an AI may take your E2 from low to near 0.
This whole thing was stupid, IMO. Just because you have something does not mean take it.
I would not take deca even with test and mast, because sexual function and mental well being are too important.
I have to agree with @mnben87 here that the risks of this cycle are not worth it. Also, @iron_yuppie make a good point about your E2, lowering the dose would make it worse. On that same note, you don’t likely have nipple sensitivity from high E2 based on your current regimen. It could be prolactin but I’ve mentioned before I feel prolactin related issues are often the misguided target for Nandrolone sexual problems. I would cease use and if you choose to continue cycling run the Test asap. Arimadex would not likely be helpful here, it would make things way worse IMO.
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Any nipple issues from prolactin will simply be from a temporary enlargement of prolactin structures surrounding the nipple. There is no actual new breast tissue created as in the case of estrogen. That will simply go down when your prolactin lowers.
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Do you want to recover or do you want to still run a cycle? You have to decide what you want to do here first. If you want to recover then that means dropping everything and riding out the side effects until pct. If you want to drop the deca and run a test cycle then that’s a different thing entirely. Either option has both benefits and risks. The biggest mistake guys make in these situations is over-correcting.
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Hey mate. Like your advice. What If someone took this;
Deca - Week 1 - 300mg
- Week and a half another 300mg
- Week 2 - 600mg Deca & 500mg Test-E.
- Week 3 - 300mg Deca & 500mg Test E
The cycle would run for 6 weeks total.
The cycle would mean stopping Deca all together due to deca sides such as gyno and libido issues. And just doing Test E at 500mg per week for up to 6 weeks and then PCT Nolva and Clomid for two weeks starting at Week 8.
Would this work and be good to minimise sides of Deca? Not worried about test. Have started the Deca but want to ditch it and just do Test. What is best to do for least sides.
Cheers.
A six week cycle of long esters is counterproductive. It will actually do more harm than good.
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What @iron_yuppie said. You are basically changing the risk / reward relationship with AAS to only risk with no reward.