To negate any E sides. There was a post here by Prisoner (the reason behind the test taper protocol), he suggests there is evidence showing that you could start the HPTA with doses of testosterone less than 100mg per week. So sitting at around 70mg a week of exogenous hormone, it could be possible that the Tamoxifen could activate the top end of the HPTA.
SB
Gotcha …sounds intriguing …thanks for sharing your knowledge I’m going to incorporate the tamoxifen as well …I’ve never felt quite the same since committing to trt …I came off for a year for fertility reasons and I definitely feel better when my hpta is functioning …I just grew tired of the inconsistency of clomid therapy and opted to go back on this time using small everyday doses.
Jay
Were you successful with coming off for fertility? Did she get pregnant? If so, did she give birth to a girl?
This is the only thing I constantly think about when it comes to TRT. I have not used any hCG for the past 1.5 years, I do hope when I decide to have kids in about a year or 2 I am still able to.
SB
I’m trying to understand the reasoning behind this part of the question.
We were successful yes …we had a boy in January of this year. I’m 45 now and already have a 13 year old daughter from my previous marriage. My present girlfriend is a lot younger and having a child was important to her so that’s why I came off.
I was on trt for three years and came off in September 2016. It took awhile to get my sperm count up and I’m not going to lie it was awful in the beginning but worth it in the end obviously
Sometimes I regret going back on but clomid therapy sucked for me …way too emotional on that drug. But trt is an imperfect option for me as well I struggle with e2 issues and I feel my thyroid tanks as well …but still better than clomid and stuffing my face with natural supplements just to get my natural T levels up to an acceptable level.
Anyway if u are thinking of ever coming off to have kids my body recovered it just took a lot of perseverance. First few months everyday was a struggle not to jump back on. I’m thinking about coming off again at times that’s why I’m finding your low dose with nolva protocol so intriguing. I feel way better with a functioning hpta.
Jay
In my experience of talking to bodybuilders, I would say around 90% of those using gear tend to have daughters. Its just something I have noticed. It could be due to natural selection, sensing too high androgen levels and trying to reach homeostasis by producing more girls? I dont know. Just an observation.
SB
Man I’m happy for you. It gives me hope also. I will definetly be trying for kids in 2 years or so, I will have been on TRT for 5 years by then. When I come off, I will using the test taper protocol. Search it on here, it was designed by Prisoner and has worked wonders for many.
If you want to come off and give your body the best shot at recovering, a very long taper would probably work best for you. Having said that, if your test levels were not satisfactory pre-TRT, do not expect to recover to a better place. You will most likely recover to slightly lower test levels than pre-TRT.
Personally, I feel if you have had kids, and are training regularly and will be forever, TRT would be the best option for myself. Using a low enough dose to prevent aromatisation but high enough to feel good and finding that balance.
SB
This assumes said person didn’t have potential fertility issues prior to TRT. Some people likely don’t have the commodity of being able to ever have kids, if someone isn’t fertile to start with, there isn’t any point in coming off. This begs the question, were you fertile prior to TRT (sorry for potentially private and/or innappropriate question) however if you had issues with fertility (abnormal sperm morphology etc) to TRT or you have primary hypogonadism then coming off is going to just do you harm
Agreed. I do not know if I was fertile pre-TRT so I will just have to see. I’ve never tried for a baby.
SB
@Singhbuilder
Hey man, I like your logic and it’s obviously been working very well for you.
But I’m curious, why do you view masteron as a safer option than Tren or primo in regards to hair preservation?
I’m currently using low does test p and Tren but reconsidering. I love masteron but have only run it once due to hair loss concerns. I didn’t experience any, but I was under the impression it’s one of the hardest on hair if ones predisposed.
Thanks!
Hello!
In short, because it works for me. I lose less hair on masteron than Tren. I never used to lose hair but recently I attempted a low dose tren cycle and I was losing bunches. I literally started to develop a bald spot on the top of my head and freaked the F out. I have long beautiful flowing hair LOL and I’m not about to lose all of it yet.
Saying that, I am still losing hair now but at a slower rate than on tren.
SB
Right on, thanks for the response.
I’m in it for the long run and would also like to keep my hair! Though it’s not as long and beautiful as your’s! Haha!!
So basically your stance on those compounds is totally anecdotal based on your own personal experiences. Which is good that you’re so in tune with how your body reacts.
Just everything I read scares me about masteron and hair loss. I guess the only way to know is to give it a try.
Dam it’s all so complicated and unforgiving!
Anyways, thanks again!
Yes it is all from personal experience. Everyone reacts to these drugs differently, and even individual reactions to the same drug can differ. Sides you never experienced before can present themselves from the same drug at the same dose, it has happened to me before.
Always start at the lowest dose possible on everything you would use to judge how your body reacts and give it time to adjust to the drug, that’s the best advice I can give.
Disregard templates like “compound X has to be run at 400mg minimum to see results”. Remember this is what works for THEM, not necessarily for you. I’m a fan of using the least amount of drugs needed to get to your goals.
SB