Need a Coach to Be a Successful OLer?

Training Powerlifting
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I would say your technique would turn out shit without coaching.

You cannot [CANNOT] see yourself doing the lift. And if you cant see yourself lifting then you have fuck all idea what it is you are doing right or wrong. And if you try to use a mirror [god forbid] you’ll fuck the lift up anyhow because you can concentrate appropriately on both the lift and checking it.

Over time an experienced athlete develops a physical reference point for correct and can tell where the shit happened. but you have to have a correct reference point for that, which requires a coach to keep you doing it right.

practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.

When you just wing it there is a garuntee that you could be doing it better.

And a coach can see all your reps in a workout and then find out what is wrong/right and deal with it there. If we only see 5% of your lifts there is no way we can tell you accurately what is up and how to fix it even if it were easy to describe over the net.

It’s just not practical. you live in the US, go find a club somewhere.

And if you want to be a coach it is essential that you get a coach, or several. To be a GOOD coach you need to have a feel and perspective on how individuals lift and how to remedy. Most good coaches also have a coach [if they still train compete] and I would never be without one myself.

Without a coach you just likley will have a super hard time making it past a BW snatch.

With other lifts its different but with the classics, you cant go han solo and win.

-chris

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…So far, here’s what i know:

  1. The set up
    -blah blah blah

  2. First pull
    -hips, shoulders, and the bar goes up at the same rate.

  3. Double knee bend
    -Ironically, you actually don’t bend your knees. What you do is you extend your hips tll your torso is in a vertical position so that you can utilize your traps in the lift properly. YOUR KNEES SHOULD PAUSE WHILE YOU’RE STRAIGHTENING YOUR TORSO!

  4. Explosion phase
    -Flex your quadriceps, extend your back, shrug your shoulders, all at the same time (…or not??) and hallelujah!

  5. Catch it.
    -…catch it.

  6. Stand up with it.
    -Overhead squat = snatch, front squat = clean.

…Let’s say i don’t have a coach and I did all those things PERFECTLY, what’ll happen to me?

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
The double knee bend is almost invisible. I’ve seen a video or Zakharevitch doing it. The only time I saw it was when they put the vid on slo mo.[/quote]

See? if you had a coach you would know not to worry about this at this stage. the rebend is something that some athletes develop and some do not. A coach would have you focusing on what you need right now to improve your real lifts, not minutiae that will only succeed in making you concentrate on the wrong things.

-chris

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
I would say your technique would turn out shit without coaching.

You cannot [CANNOT] see yourself doing the lift. And if you cant see yourself lifting then you have fuck all idea what it is you are doing right or wrong. And if you try to use a mirror [god forbid] you’ll fuck the lift up anyhow because you can concentrate appropriately on both the lift and checking it.

Over time an experienced athlete develops a physical reference point for correct and can tell where the shit happened. but you have to have a correct reference point for that, which requires a coach to keep you doing it right.

practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.

When you just wing it there is a garuntee that you could be doing it better.

And a coach can see all your reps in a workout and then find out what is wrong/right and deal with it there. If we only see 5% of your lifts there is no way we can tell you accurately what is up and how to fix it even if it were easy to describe over the net.

It’s just not practical. you live in the US, go find a club somewhere.

And if you want to be a coach it is essential that you get a coach, or several. To be a GOOD coach you need to have a feel and perspective on how individuals lift and how to remedy. Most good coaches also have a coach [if they still train compete] and I would never be without one myself.

Without a coach you just likley will have a super hard time making it past a BW snatch.

With other lifts its different but with the classics, you cant go han solo and win.

-chris[/quote]

…Would you worship me if I manage to snatch my bodyweight without a coach?

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
You cannot [CANNOT] see yourself doing the lift.[/quote]

You’re right. I magically become invisible in my video cam when I watch it. All I saw when I watched myself snatch was the bar. It’s just magically went up! Wow, you’re a genius.

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Epic fail, dude.

You are arrogant, ignorant, and will never make it in this sport with your current attitude and beliefs. There is a reason every successful lifter in the modern era has a coach.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
…Let’s say i don’t have a coach and I did all those things PERFECTLY, what’ll happen to me?[/quote]

Even though the entire lift takes place in less than a second, its much less simple than you are making it out to be. If the lifts were as easy as you think they are, there would be a considerable amount of better lifters out there. No one is claiming you cannot lift or even make progress without a coach, but you will eventually reach a point where you dramatically lose progress and consistency. What good is snatching bodyweight for example if you hit it with shotty form 1 out of 10 tries? Successful self-taught lifters are a rarity in the sport for a reason.

As already mentioned several times, if you have no intention of competing, then by no means do you need a coach.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Avocado wrote:
I would say your technique would turn out shit without coaching.

You cannot [CANNOT] see yourself doing the lift. And if you cant see yourself lifting then you have fuck all idea what it is you are doing right or wrong. And if you try to use a mirror [god forbid] you’ll fuck the lift up anyhow because you can concentrate appropriately on both the lift and checking it.

Over time an experienced athlete develops a physical reference point for correct and can tell where the shit happened. but you have to have a correct reference point for that, which requires a coach to keep you doing it right.

practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.

When you just wing it there is a garuntee that you could be doing it better.

And a coach can see all your reps in a workout and then find out what is wrong/right and deal with it there. If we only see 5% of your lifts there is no way we can tell you accurately what is up and how to fix it even if it were easy to describe over the net.

It’s just not practical. you live in the US, go find a club somewhere.

And if you want to be a coach it is essential that you get a coach, or several. To be a GOOD coach you need to have a feel and perspective on how individuals lift and how to remedy. Most good coaches also have a coach [if they still train compete] and I would never be without one myself.

Without a coach you just likley will have a super hard time making it past a BW snatch.

With other lifts its different but with the classics, you cant go han solo and win.

-chris

…Would you worship me if I manage to snatch my bodyweight without a coach?[/quote]

If you made it to 120% BW I would be impressed.

-chris

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Avocado wrote:
You cannot [CANNOT] see yourself doing the lift.

You’re right. I magically become invisible in my video cam when I watch it. All I saw when I watched myself snatch was the bar. It’s just magically went up! Wow, you’re a genius.[/quote]

Clever. You keep lifting and scoping the cam after every set and let me know how effective a corrective technical tool it is. for the price of the cam you could likely get coaching for a year.

Don’t you want a coach or something? there have to be some USAW coaches somewhere around you.

good luck shooting sir.

-chris

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
Clever. You keep lifting and scoping the cam after every set and let me know how effective a corrective technical tool it is. for the price of the cam you could likely get coaching for a year.
[/quote]

In my experience, most coaches don’t charge anything other than requiring you to register with USAW which is less than $30 per year. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

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[quote]Sneaky weasel wrote:
Epic fail, dude.

You are arrogant, ignorant, and will never make it in this sport with your current attitude and beliefs. There is a reason every successful lifter in the modern era has a coach.[/quote]

No shit eh?

Oh well, one more GI joe, one less legit lifter. It’s the affliction of the youth i suppose.

-chris

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[quote]dfreezy wrote:
Avocado wrote:
Clever. You keep lifting and scoping the cam after every set and let me know how effective a corrective technical tool it is. for the price of the cam you could likely get coaching for a year.

In my experience, most coaches don’t charge anything other than requiring you to register with USAW which is less than $30 per year. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.[/quote]

man that’s real as fuck. Up here in the north where men are men and sheep are nervous training costs some dough. I pay $200 a year now for federation fee and club costs. The structural organization is less developed and well funded.

-chris

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
Avocado wrote:
I would say your technique would turn out shit without coaching.

You cannot [CANNOT] see yourself doing the lift. And if you cant see yourself lifting then you have fuck all idea what it is you are doing right or wrong. And if you try to use a mirror [god forbid] you’ll fuck the lift up anyhow because you can concentrate appropriately on both the lift and checking it.

Over time an experienced athlete develops a physical reference point for correct and can tell where the shit happened. but you have to have a correct reference point for that, which requires a coach to keep you doing it right.

practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.

When you just wing it there is a garuntee that you could be doing it better.

And a coach can see all your reps in a workout and then find out what is wrong/right and deal with it there. If we only see 5% of your lifts there is no way we can tell you accurately what is up and how to fix it even if it were easy to describe over the net.

It’s just not practical. you live in the US, go find a club somewhere.

And if you want to be a coach it is essential that you get a coach, or several. To be a GOOD coach you need to have a feel and perspective on how individuals lift and how to remedy. Most good coaches also have a coach [if they still train compete] and I would never be without one myself.

Without a coach you just likley will have a super hard time making it past a BW snatch.

With other lifts its different but with the classics, you cant go han solo and win.

-chris

…Would you worship me if I manage to snatch my bodyweight without a coach?

If you made it to 120% BW I would be impressed.

-chris[/quote]

Well, I guess I’ll be the first one to accomplish such feat. Kay then, I’ll accept your challenge. I’ll try to do it WITHOUT coaching…

Aside from all this argument and my arrogance, thank you so much for the help. Atleast I got an idea (even though I’m too arrogant to actually do it) about the best way of improving with the olympic lifts. Thanks to all who posted in my humble thread! You guys are awesome!

P.S. = Trolling is in my blood. I just can’t help it sometimes. :slight_smile:

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[quote]Sneaky weasel wrote:
You will never make it in this sport with your current attitude and beliefs.[/quote]

…Or would I? lol.

We’ll see. I’ll take the challenge. I’m a weakling so there’s a huge chance that I won’t make it. If that happens (which it’ll probably do) please do not rub it in my face. It’ll hurt my feelings. Don’t be like Hanley.

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Ryan? Is that you?

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Because your name is Ryan so I assumed that you are Ryan.

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Done, I edited my posts. Your last name is gone forever.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Sneaky weasel wrote:
You will never make it in this sport with your current attitude and beliefs.

…Or would I? lol.

We’ll see. I’ll take the challenge. I’m a weakling so there’s a huge chance that I won’t make it. If that happens (which it’ll probably do) please do not rub it in my face. It’ll hurt my feelings. Don’t be like Hanley.[/quote]

But if you do succeed then you’re not allowed to tell us.

I think you’d make a fine 10k runner though. very easily self coached.

-chris

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:

Well, I guess I’ll be the first one to accomplish such feat. Kay then, I’ll accept your challenge. I’ll try to do it WITHOUT coaching…

[/quote]

No one said you’d be the first. Are you seriously that conceited?