The name of the company site is “theneckflex”.
Here is a link (but sometimes they get deleted by the mods):
theneckflex .com
Average Al, is your email posted on here somewhere ? I’d like to talk to you about some things.
Scott
No… For a variety of reasons, I prefer not to make my email public. What kind of information were you looking for? Do you have a Facebook presence?
(Also, I gave myself a temporary ban from posting on this forum, which is why I’ve been inactive for a bit. I decided that I was wasting too much time on unproductive discussions and need to focus on other things. I won’t stop posting completely, but will be much more selective in the future.)
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I can relate. I’m strongly considering “retiring” from the forum.
For some time now I’ve been thinking the same thing but then something appears that makes me want to stay. This site may have more younger people and be more organized but I don’t get that tight friendly family feeling I used to get with the old forum and that is important to me. On the other side I have found some things on here that I need to learn about and investigate like these guys who seem to work the same muscles every day and still have big muscles to show for it !! So far that’s beyond my comprehension , ha ha . One thing about this site is the lack of people who really know of Dr Darden and HIT. It’s almost like two separate political parties. Maybe it’s our mission to indoctrinate these guys and gals to Dr Darden??
Scott
@aldebaran gave you a REALLY solid explanation here
Nothing against your solid explanation so don’t take this personally but after 50 years of hearing that won’t work It will take more than that for this to sink into my head. What that is I don’t know.
Scott
Well, again, that wasn’t my explanation. It was @aldebaran
Whoever you were listening to for those 50 years was not a good source on the topic of getting bigger and stronger it would seem. MANY in the training world have espoused the possibility of growing while training the same muscle groups daily for that same 50 years.
Intensity, volume and frequency are all parts of the equation. They need to be balanced. If intensity and volume are low, frequency can be high.
Like, did you ever play a sport? Did you practice every day? Or even do 2 a days? You somehow got better even with all that frequency yeah?
Or you ever see big cornfed farmboy that was strong while working the farm EVERY day? How come he didn’t need to take a week off after his workday? Because the intensity and volume of his workload was low enough that he could act every day.
It’s only when you jack the intensity and/or volume UP that frequency has to drop.
I liked the old forum better. It had some heart and soul even though it changed over time and some of the arguments got too ridiculous. But, yes, it was nice having a few friends to chat with over PM from time to time. I don’t believe in indoctrination, but training is really a journey that changes over time for sure. I’m glad to see the push away from extreme failure 100% of the time, 8-12 exercises full body, etc. That kind of stuff is rarely sustainable for most.
I too have many times thought of non-participation here! Frankly, I totally disagree with Dr. Darden’s revelations on the merits of exhaustion training techniques. Inroad is just a theory on exercise. History leaves clues! Brief hard training works! Arthur Jones was a machine man! I’ve been hooked on innovative exercise machines for quite some time.
Check this guy and his Nautilus toys
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We seem to be talking about two different things here, I’m talking about getting bigger and stronger muscles you are talking about something else? I’ve swam , run and cycled competitively everyday and yes I got much faster and better at it but in no way would that ever result in big muscles even if I’d done it for 50 years . Sure every athletes muscles get somewhat bigger if they keep doing it everyday but not the way they would get bodybuilding the typical way with days off to recuperate and back to the friendly part of this . I didn’t tell you that you had listened to some fool the last 50 years because I didn’t agree with what you think so do me a favor and don’t preach to me like you’ve got all the answers. Take that chip off you’re shoulder . I’ve been a student of the greatest in bodybuilding for 50 years , Bob Hoffman, Arthur Jones, Ellington Darden, Vince Gironda etc etc and none of them ever came close to saying train like you do to build big muscles!!
Scott
Nope. I’m also talking about getting bigger and stronger muscles. I’ve managed to accomplish that, and many trainees have done so with daily training.
I do not understand why you feel I have a chip on my shoulder. You have expressed that you cannot understand this concept. I am attempting to help you understand it.
Are you actually not interested in understanding it? If so, I will cease trying to explain it.
Yes there were some real jerks on the old forum as I’m sure there are here and yes hardly anyone would post their picture etc but it definitely had a much better and friendlier atmosphere to discuss things . You weren’t told don’t post this here or there for whatever reason. Everything went to the top of the line be it direct question or statement to Dr Darden or someone else. We all saw it and all could respond or not. Now you’re afraid to post things as they might get stuck somewhere that nobody , especially Dr Darden will see. Yes Dr Darden came here to get some fresh young blood and the way it’s going many of us old timers who really love the man will probably be saying hasta la vista !
Scott
== Scott==
You wonder why I think you have a chip on your shoulder ? Jones , Mentzer , Darden etc not a good source ? Hardly! I do want to understand how this works for you yes, very much ! Do I want to put up with this kind of attitude , no so just drop it.
You made no mention of these folks at the time dude, in turn, I was not directly attacking them. But in addition, I imagine all of those individuals know very well that you CAN in fact get bigger and stronger with daily training, primarily because they understand how volume, intensity and frequency are all related. They all demonstrated exactly this with their approach: high intensity, low frequency.
I genuinely do not know how you are interpreting any sort of attitude from my posts. I assure you that any such interpretation is a misinterpretation. I have zero reason to have an attitude with you: I have no malice toward you. I’d have no reason for it.
atp_4_me,
Thanks for this: Check this guy and his Nautilus toys
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Interesting stuff. Some rare equipment. Uh-Oh! There’s a Compound Biceps and Triceps! Have never seen a Duo-Leg Curl in action. Having the machines on wheels to get them right next to each other for double pre-exhaust routines is an interesting idea.
I think you might be misinterpreting Pwn - you and I have had plenty of good discussions on here and I’m way more confrontational (or just a dick) than him. Consider that Darden has just, after all this time, advocated for avoiding failure. You seem convinced very quickly of this - if you can jump on board with a total reversal after 50 years, it shouldn’t take much convincing that high frequency can work too - especially when nobody is saying low frequency/volume is wrong.
Plus, Pwn made a very good point - his explanation of volume, intensity, and frequency being on sliding scales with one another totally allows for AJ’s/Darden’s systems. You can up volume and frequency by lowering intensity, and you can up all three a bit, temporarily, if you up your recovery, aka more food/rest.
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He has me covered! Super geared hip & back done double pre-exhaustion! That adduction/abduction machine was hot! 1st machine of this type I have ever looked at twice.
Training to failure and almost to failure really isn’t such a huge reversal. Many of us trained that way anyway. Remember I’ve followed Darden forever , he’s earned my trust from years of me reading his stuff and I know his thinking . I just didn’t flip a switch and suddenly believed in 30 10 30 . In fact I still don’t really know if it really builds muscle . I’m still trying it out . On the other hand I don’t know PWN from Adam .It will take more than one explanation for me to even begin to understand how his way can produce big muscles. I really know nothing about him and have only seen one picture of his muscles. High frequency is one thing , training the same muscle day in and day out is another . I don’t doubt it can work , there’s so much I don’t know , but It will take a load of convincing for me to buy into that .