NE Patriots v. NY Football Giants

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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Hambone1818 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
And by the way, I think the game was fixed. Let me just throw that out there.

I have felt that about quite a few Patriots games over the years. I cannot really figure out why but they have benefited from so many wrong calls over the years.

Care to elaborate? Either of you? Give me one call from that game that was obviously incorrect. Just one.

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Nothing in the Giamts game but countless bad calls have gone the Patriots way. If you don’t see it you are blinded.

THEN GIVE ME ONE!!! … [/quote]

I could give you 100 and you would still deny it. Columns have been written on it. Most observers see it.

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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
However, I think Belichek is scum, and I don’t like the arrogance he surrounds that franchise in.

Hold on…arrogance surround the Patriots franchise? I’m sorry, but I don’t get this. Hate Belichick, that’s fine and I think he actually likes it that way (takes some of the heat off the players), but don’t call out the franchise. How many times do you see Patriots players running their mouths? How many times do you see on-field displays of arrogance from this team? This is a cohesive, well-coached, humble team (in fact, their motto this team is ‘eating humble pie’–they even had t-shirts made up about 2 months ago). Sorry, but this team is anything but arrogant.[/quote]

Please. They dance and strut all the time. This is not the humble Patriots team of 2001.

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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
THEN GIVE ME ONE!!!
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The Tuck Rule Game in 2001.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Hambone1818 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
However, I think Belichek is scum, and I don’t like the arrogance he surrounds that franchise in.

Hold on…arrogance surround the Patriots franchise? I’m sorry, but I don’t get this. Hate Belichick, that’s fine and I think he actually likes it that way (takes some of the heat off the players), but don’t call out the franchise. How many times do you see Patriots players running their mouths? How many times do you see on-field displays of arrogance from this team? This is a cohesive, well-coached, humble team (in fact, their motto this team is ‘eating humble pie’–they even had t-shirts made up about 2 months ago). Sorry, but this team is anything but arrogant.

Please. They dance and strut all the time. This is not the humble Patriots team of 2001.[/quote]

I liked that one safety that started strutting around after he tackled Jacobs… after he broke off a ten or fifteen yard run.

I agree. This team thinks who the fuck they are. Maybe they’re entitled to it, but they’re still dicks.

If you’re going to be arrogant, do it in style… like Broadway Joe.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

Please. They dance and strut all the time. This is not the humble Patriots team of 2001.[/quote]

Hold on…they strut? What the hell is that all about? You’re basically just making things up right now. Clearly you don’t like the Patriots, and that’s fine. I’m not going to convince you otherwise. But you’d dead wrong with all this. Actually, when Moss did his little dance last night after tying the record I was SHOCKED because he hadn’t done anything like that all season. He does his little hands-together-then-separating-them routine, and that’s about all the celebrating you see from this team. Welker, Stallworth, Maroney…handing the ball back to the ref after touchdowns. I can’t remember more than once or twice when an offensive player has done any celebrating on non-touchdowns. On defense there isn’t a player who does anything out of the ordinary, period.

Seriously, Zap, I think you’re blinded with all this. You don’t like the Patriots and project all that into an analysis of the players and the team.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Hambone1818 wrote:
THEN GIVE ME ONE!!!
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The Tuck Rule Game in 2001.
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One play 6 years ago. Read the rule (and yes, it’s still in there)…actually read the complete rule, and tell me they weren’t right on that one.

That said, people were saying that the Giants game was poorly officiated…I was asking examples for that one. It just won’t happen, because it was a decent game for the officials, no excuses.

Either way, I’m done with this thread. Granted it was stupid to post to begin with, because sports are one of those things: you just aren’t going to convince people otherwise because their convictions are so strong. That said, I root for the most successful franchise in sports (two of them, actually, with the Sox in there as well), so I’m a happy man. Be bitter and pissed off all you want, but I’m enjoying this run because it ain’t gonna last forever.

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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
Seriously, Zap, I think you’re blinded with all this. You don’t like the Patriots and project all that into an analysis of the players and the team.
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I think you’re dead wrong on this. Zap is saying things that many, many people agree with. The calls the patriots get are shady at best. Bill Belichik is an arrogant, control freak asshole. The players DO strut. Sure, most of them don’t, but that secondary seems awful cocky. They’re not all Brady, Vrabel and Bruschi, they do have some cocky people on the team. There’s a reason people don’t like the Patriots other than because they’re really good. People don’t hate on the Packers or Cowboys anywhere near the same.

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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Hambone1818 wrote:
THEN GIVE ME ONE!!!
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The Tuck Rule Game in 2001.

One play 6 years ago. Read the rule (and yes, it’s still in there)…actually read the complete rule, and tell me they weren’t right on that one.
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It was a fumble. You know it, I know it, Tom Brady knows it, everybody on God’s green Earth knows that was a fumble.

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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Please. They dance and strut all the time. This is not the humble Patriots team of 2001.

Hold on…they strut? What the hell is that all about? …[/quote]

Do you deny this? I am clearly wasting my time talking to you as you are an obvious fanboy and they can do no wrong in your eyes.

They dance, strut, taunt and exhibit poor sportsmanship as much as any other team in the league.

By your posts I wonder if you even watch the games or if you just get the info on them from fan sites.

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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Hambone1818 wrote:
THEN GIVE ME ONE!!!
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The Tuck Rule Game in 2001.

One play 6 years ago. Read the rule (and yes, it’s still in there)…actually read the complete rule, and tell me they weren’t right on that one.

That said, people were saying that the Giants game was poorly officiated…I was asking examples for that one. It just won’t happen, because it was a decent game for the officials, no excuses.

Either way, I’m done with this thread. Granted it was stupid to post to begin with, because sports are one of those things: you just aren’t going to convince people otherwise because their convictions are so strong. That said, I root for the most successful franchise in sports (two of them, actually, with the Sox in there as well), so I’m a happy man. Be bitter and pissed off all you want, but I’m enjoying this run because it ain’t gonna last forever.[/quote]

The pass interference in the endzone wasnt PI, you actually have to touch the other player to commit PI. I thought they got rid of the “face guarding” penalty.

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Who the fuck cares if they strut? Do any of you honestly sit your kids in front of the television and then promptly spit our your Tostito’s Scoops in a fit of rage everytime Moss makes a touchdown catch and shakes his hips around?

What do you expect, a written apology and a moment of silence?

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

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That’s the funniest youtube video I’ve seen in a while, thanks lol.

And hambone is pretty right on in his posts. People can mention columns by whoever to criticize everything about the pats but then those same people discredit the overwhelming majority of legit sportscasters and former players out there who praise what they have done. Haters hate?

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[quote]ss847859 wrote:

The pass interference in the endzone wasnt PI, you actually have to touch the other player to commit PI. I thought they got rid of the “face guarding” penalty.

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Sorry, you’re wrong here:

"Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver�??s opportunity to make the catch. "

The defender never turned to ‘play the ball’. It clearly restricted the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch. Clear case of defensive PI.

Any other ones?

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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
ss847859 wrote:

The pass interference in the endzone wasnt PI, you actually have to touch the other player to commit PI. I thought they got rid of the “face guarding” penalty.

Sorry, you’re wrong here:

"Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiverâ¿¿s opportunity to make the catch. "

The defender never turned to ‘play the ball’. It clearly restricted the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch. Clear case of defensive PI.

Any other ones?[/quote]

New this year the defender does not have to look back at the ball in order to make a play. Or so I have read and heard many times. What version of the rules are you looking at?

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Carl’s predictions for super bowl XL 2.

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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
ss847859 wrote:

The pass interference in the endzone wasnt PI, you actually have to touch the other player to commit PI. I thought they got rid of the “face guarding” penalty.

Sorry, you’re wrong here:

"Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiverâ¿¿s opportunity to make the catch. "

The defender never turned to ‘play the ball’. It clearly restricted the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch. Clear case of defensive PI.

Any other ones?[/quote]

Well we’ve established this guys got no life and is good at looking up stats from 10 years ago but according to that I was right. The first word CONTACT, if he didnt touch him it wasnt PI.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

New this year the defender does not have to look back at the ball in order to make a play. Or so I have read and heard many times. What version of the rules are you looking at?[/quote]

It’s not the ‘official rulebook’, but that isn’t offered to the general public so I have to make do with the rules from the NFL’s official site.

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[quote]ss847859 wrote:

Well we’ve established this guys got no life and is good at looking up stats from 10 years ago but according to that I was right. The first word CONTACT, if he didnt touch him it wasnt PI.

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It’s getting a bit pointless to post in this thread because you’re clearly delusional, but he did touch him. Absolutely, unequivocally. When they showed the camera view from the 20 (gives you more of a side-view of end zone plays) you could see he had his right arm on him when they were in the end zone. Clear as day, watch it again.

Wilfork’s eye poke: maybe they didn’t see it. The camera was right in his face, but who’s to say there was an official there. Again, it was a dirty play, unwarranted no matter what (if anything) Jacobs did, and he’s being fined for it, but if a ref isn’t around there’s nothing they can do.

Fact of the matter: I’m a Patriots fan. I see things with a bit of bias toward them (as you all clearly do against them). There was a push off in the end zone on Burress that didn’t get called, and the excessive celebration on Moss seemed very ticky-tacky (they only a flag for group celebrations…Moss doesn’t look like a group to me); that one certainly had a hand in 7 Giants points. On the other end, the Toomer personal foul was crap (Merriweather seemed to trip over him), I was confused about that one…but again, it goes both ways.

When all is said and done, arguing about officiating is as pathetic as it comes. There are close calls every game; sometimes one team might benefit a bit more from the close ones, but that’s what happens with human error. Again, the only game I saw this season that looked lopsided was the Indy game, and I challenge anyone to watch that game again and tell me differently. And yet the Patriots kept after it, won the game and didn’t say a word about the officiating afterward (unlike Burress, who’s now complaining and will probably draw a fine because of it).

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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
ss847859 wrote:

Well we’ve established this guys got no life and is good at looking up stats from 10 years ago but according to that I was right. The first word CONTACT, if he didnt touch him it wasnt PI.

It’s getting a bit pointless to post in this thread because you’re clearly delusional, but he did touch him. Absolutely, unequivocally. When they showed the camera view from the 20 (gives you more of a side-view of end zone plays) you could see he had his right arm on him when they were in the end zone. Clear as day, watch it again.

Wilfork’s eye poke: maybe they didn’t see it. The camera was right in his face, but who’s to say there was an official there. Again, it was a dirty play, unwarranted no matter what (if anything) Jacobs did, and he’s being fined for it, but if a ref isn’t around there’s nothing they can do.

Fact of the matter: I’m a Patriots fan. I see things with a bit of bias toward them (as you all clearly do against them). There was a push off in the end zone on Burress that didn’t get called, and the excessive celebration on Moss seemed very ticky-tacky (they only a flag for group celebrations…Moss doesn’t look like a group to me); that one certainly had a hand in 7 Giants points. On the other end, the Toomer personal foul was crap (Merriweather seemed to trip over him), I was confused about that one…but again, it goes both ways.

When all is said and done, arguing about officiating is as pathetic as it comes. There are close calls every game; sometimes one team might benefit a bit more from the close ones, but that’s what happens with human error. Again, the only game I saw this season that looked lopsided was the Indy game, and I challenge anyone to watch that game again and tell me differently. And yet the Patriots kept after it, won the game and didn’t say a word about the officiating afterward (unlike Burress, who’s now complaining and will probably draw a fine because of it).

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I actually thought the officiating in the NE v. NY game wasnt that bad so it doesnt really matter.

However I think their is some kind of bias toward the Pats and has been all season. Just look at how the NFL downplayed Spygate. Discussing Spygate next with you would be pointless.Your gonna say it doesnt matter because it hasnt effected any of their games which is true but then I would say cheating and getting caught is just as bad as if it had. They get a break because they got caught, not in my book.