Yah bro more time is needed. 2 or 3 months is just when it should start working really well. And the. 5-6 months even better and by end of year it continues.
Do you only usage one bottle of cream? That sucks I order 3 months at a time:
Hang in there you’d be feeling allot of low t symptoms by now not just libido. Cream is having a very short half life .
@enackers I could order more bottles at once if I wanted I guess but the price is basically the same. I don’t have another scheduled appt w the doc for 6 months so I’m assuming they would let me order more if I wanted it. I just didn’t really want to spend money on a bunch of creme if it didn’t work well with me for some reason. Once I know it’s what I’m sticking with I’ll probably order several tubes at once.
I guess I got a glimpse of how things “can” be and used to be and now I want to stay that way haha, going backwards sucks.
Cream is awesome for libido not one man I know has ever went back to inject because it wasn’t as good. They love it.
On trt men think they wool consistently feel good all the time. Rocket libido 24.7. Fuck 3 times a day. Sleep 4 hours and be Superman. Truth is you will feel great majority of the time and occasionally ups and downs will occur just like before. Now it’s just less. So yeah don’t make a big deal out of it if it’s just libido. If it’s from defy empower (Is it) you are good I doubt creams got a problem. If it’s not from them or MedQuest then yah double check.
Good luck. Don’t raise expectations too high brother: sleep well and remember that in months to come the consistency will be better
@enackers Yeah it’s from defy/empower. I just don’t understand why I’m back to having numb dick issues again, this time as bad as they’ve ever been. It’s weird because I end up super hard but with less sensitivity. I’ve heard guys with low e2 complain about that happening to them too. Same thing happened a year ago when all this started.
Hopefully it works itself out soon. I just want to get back to being able to have normal sex every day or at least most days without destroying my wife for an hour trying to make it happen. It sucks. I don’t care about being Superman. Just normal is fine for me right now.
My e2 was normal and the free t was very low. I will measure shbg soon.
Define what you mean by “normal” e2. Mine was technically “normal” too but I knew from reading a lot of other peoples experiences that it was still too low.
If your free t is low and you have symptoms then those two things are very likely related.
I would recommend starting a new thread and include all your lab results and you’ll be pointed in the right direction. TRT may help you.
Are your issues related to finasteride?
Low e2 will cause that issue. But if it’s due to the cream we would also have low free t and those symptoms would be apparent within two days.
It very well could be that your body is simply not aromatizing as it used to.
Maybe you are taking something like zinc or whatever and it’s causing levels to stay low/
On the other hand you might just need more. I used hcg to cure this problem of numb dick. Hcg works well. I simply take 150iu every three or four days.
@enackers I don’t take anything other than T creme right now. No vitamins, zinc or… well, anything.
I started back on HCG about 2 weeks ago. 200 IU’s on Sunday and Wednesday. I seem to feel worse when I use it. I used it Sunday, Wednesday then Sunday… about 2 days later is when this latest lack of sensitivity / anorgasmia started back up.
My e2 was pretty high on my last labs (73) so I’m not sure if HCG pushed it higher or if I just needed more time to adjust or if it’s totally unrelated and a coincidence. I just don’t know what the issue is right now.
I had some bloods done this morning. I just had total T, free T, e2 and prolactin tested to see if I can get some idea of what is to blame here.
I’d prefer to keep using HCG if I can as I’m trying for kids in about a year. And… because money shot, haha.
There’s just too many variables. I might need more T or I might need less. Might need to continue HCG or I might not. Might just be a fluke that will pass or I might need to change something. I don’t know. It sure is frustrating though.
I am open to any suggestions. At this point I’m leaning towards continuing with my 3 clicks per day until I get blood work back and then see if that sheds any light on things. I expect I’ll have those on Wednesday or Thursday. I think the wife is out of commission until then anyways. Sorry dear.
The thread about hcg and adrenal issues talked about it making you feel worse before it made you feel better. Not sure if that applies here but may be worth re-reading that thread. I think it was stated that it would take about 12 weeks.
I’m confused. You just started using hcg and stopped? If free t is that high. Then it is even higher free t.
If you added hcg and now you don’t feel great remove hcg.
From what he posted in his last post he started HCG two weeks ago and is currently using it.
@enackers I think you had a typo. Did you mean to say free t or e2? The 73 I mentioned earlier was e2. Are you meaning to say HCG could have made my e2 even higher or something else?
Yes I started back HCG about a week before this round of issues happened. I thought it had been longer than that so maybe that makes the most sense. It is totally possible it’s related. I had kind of dismissed that idea figuring it kept getting worse
This will be easier to explain if I put dates to it:
10/2. Sex twice for first time in a year+. Things are awesome. 3 clicks creme only. No HCG in months.
200 IU’s HCG on 10/2 before bed (post sex)
200 IU’s HCG on 10/6
10/7 sex was ok but more difficult than I had recently experienced
10/8 very difficult to get the job done but barely managed to
10/9 to 10/12. Numbness, anorgasmia, etc. Could not make it happen.
10/13 finally got done, but was still quite difficult to get there.
After writing that out it does seem like it could be related to HCG. I thought there was an additional week in there that made it not make as much sense, but there isn’t.
Would your suggestion be to ride it out and continue with HCG or stop and see how I feel after everything settles back down?
@dbossa doesn’t have a lot of good things to say about HCG but you seem to be pro HCG for the sensitivity aspect that it helps you with. I would love to get the same but results seem to be the opposite for me so far. I’m not sure which is better for me long term.
When you add something that will raise or lower hormone levels I would think it’s going to put the body in a state of trying to reach equilibrium and during this time you will feel out of whack. Same as dosage changes with TRT.
Makes sense. I guess I have to decide whether to try to ride it out and just stick with it or not. I’m going to have to take it sooner or later for baby making most likely
But… the other side is I’ve felt like shit for a year plus, so I think I’m going to not take it for now and hopefully spend some time feeling “good” before I put myself through another weeks long adjustment period. I can do that once I’m closer to actually needing it.
Yeah that’s my plan as well. I’m going to add it when I get closer to baby making time.
You had a similar experience to me with HCG.
Take HCG if you need to be fertile RIGHT NOW. If you don’t, forget it.
For the rest of the libido/sex issues you describe, upping my dose and doing daily fixed them completely. Sensitivity was vastly improved. Twice a day sex, and sometimes more, is a piece of cake now.
@dbossa Sounds good to me. I’m on creme so already doing 2x a day. Total T 1500+, free T around 40. So I guess I could go up a bit more but those don’t seem like bad numbers to me and there was a period where I was symptom free. Perhaps my natural production declining will require I up the dose to compensate long term.
Drop the hcg for now if you don’t need to be fertile right now. Hoping you are not on an AI. Keep dose as is and see if symptoms improve first over a few weeks. I would do that first before increasing dose.
@dbossa Will do. And no AI for me. I have a 73 e2 to prove it.