@roscoe88
I’ll pay your tier 1 bill to finally get you optimized so you can stop being so damn negative lol. I’m kidding… Sort of
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Pay my wife’s instead 
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Lolll
Well, couple of updates:
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Looks like we are going to spend the $2K membership fee and go to Dr Nichols for her. We save that in like a week right now so it’s worth it to make her feel better. Hoping he’ll give us a 2 for 1 discount and see me too, haha (kidding… but a discount of some sort for me to join at the same time would be nice so I don’t have to keep going to Defy). She is doing labs tomorrow, may go as early as end of this week if possible.
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No change for me as far as how I’m feeling. Still pretty much like I was a year ago, not good sensitivity wise. If I wait 2-3 days it gets easier but yeah, very very difficult to climax. 90% of what I’m getting out of sex is her being into it, because I can barely feel shit. It’s getting to the point of I don’t even want to try having sex because it’s so frustrating and quite frankly a full blown cardio workout 9/10 times lately. Continuing on with the same dosage for now. The last 2 times I had “good” weeks it was right after being super frustrated because things had been like this, so I hope some good changes are coming.
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I still think there are Thyroid issues going on. Pretty typical thyroid symptoms along with @enackers sharing how much Armour helped him when T alone didn’t has made me want to look into it further. I’ve been procrastinating spending the money to get a full thyroid panel done but maybe this week will be the week. ft3/ft4/rt3/TSH aren’t that expensive but the other two (anti something?) add quite a bit to the cost. Do I need those as well?
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I’m growing hair like I never have before… it’s so weird. I’ve never any more than light blond hairs on my arms and now I’m growing dark black hairs. Never had any on my thighs at all (literally zero) and now black hair is growing. Same for my ass and lower back… it’s strange. I’m still having to shave every other day now where I used to go a week no problem. I wouldn’t care if I was feeling better but it’s annoying to see signs like that that I’m getting more T than I’ve ever had before but still not feeling great.
Testing for thyroid antibodies is not necessary yet. It will tell you if you have an autoimmune thyroid disease like Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. If your TSH is elevated out of range, then just take that blood test to your normal doc and they would almost certainly test your antibodies for you and your insurance will pay for it.
As far as the disease goes, Hashimoto’s is not something that can be cured, and the treatment would be the same either way. Testing for antibodies is for diagnostic purposes only and used for insurance codes.
I really really doubt TSH will be “out of range” but will be higher than it should be, in my opinion anyways and after reading stopthethyroidmadness. TSH was about 3 last time I had it checked and has steadily increased for the last year or so, starting at just under 2. I haven’t had fT3/fT4 tested in a year but back then they were on the low end.
At this point I wish someone would just prescribe me some Armour and let me try it but I know my regular doc won’t do it. Defy might, but it’s still probably take going through the blood tests and scheduling another follow up consult with them to get it. I think I’m going to email them and just ask if they would entertain a trial of Armour to see if it helps or not. Worst they can say is no, I guess
You can always stop by your local pharmacies and ask which doctors prescribe it. I’m not sure if they will tell you or not, but it’s worth a shot. I have yet to find a mainstream doctor or endocrinologist that would prescribe it.
I remember asking one doctor about it, and told them I’ve read that a lot of people feel better on it. And she told me “they feel better because of the extra t3, but it makes your lab values fluctuate too much so I can’t prescribe it.” Some, maybe even most doctors just don’t care about symptoms.
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It’s so crazy. It’s like here’s this drug that doesn’t cause harm and is likely to make you feel better than the usual treatment but I’m still not going to give it to you. It makes no sense other than from a cover your ass perspective… this way if anything happens it can’t be blamed on the doc prescribing something out of the ordinary
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The author of the book “Thyroid Power: Ten Steps to Total Health ” will prescribe it. That’s who I went to see to get it. He did phone consults several years ago when I was seeing him. His website seems to be down right now, but there are also fires going on in California, so might be part of it.
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Perfect. I’ll try that route too then if Defy won’t let me trial it
BTW, you can go through your insurance with that doctor if he’s in your network. He does T cream as well, although I couldn’t get him to prescribe that to me even with T below range. but you might be different since you’re on it already. Paper script you can bring to your pharmacy is always a big plus.
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Sensitivity issues suck. Only thing helped me was hcg low dose. 150iu every 3-4 days. Experimented many times over and it works every time. My sensivity improves substantially, orgasm and libido is much more pronounced. I can’t explain it. Kinda like when you were a kid and woke up in the morning after a nice dream.
I remember when I joined the old timers told me that the worse thing about trt is sensitivity. We start and expect it to drop. Today I realize the guys who told me this were keeping estrogen low.
Moving alone on how I fixed my sensivity issue. Another doctor in our Facebook group posted studies that point to the following. 1 estrogen is created in the tissues, bones, heart, brain. Our source for e2 is now injections and we have no clue how much aromatixatopn is occurring in different areas. Blood sample is not enough. Hence ai are extremely harmful if they block it in the heart or brain. Imagine having little to zero estrogen in the brain for years? What would that do?
Anyways with all that said It very well could be that our penis is not aromatizing the estrogen it needs. The injections are not promoting enogh.
I tried more cream to see if more helped, but it didn’t. I use scrotal so you’d expect it to work in that area but it doesn’t. For whatever reason I don’t know.
I’m also on other meds. I believe this is causing the issue.
I also waited two weeks and that helped a little and Cialis did help. More blood and harder the erection better the sensitivity and esieee to orgasm…
Try hcg small dose and it should work fast if that’s your issue. Maybe it won’t. Worth a try. The science makes sense.
For thyroid labs just test free t3, t4 , reverse and tsh. All this index and shit does nothing for you or me. Only doctors who like to over think shit. With the data above you know how much thyroid meds to start with.
Send tier1 an email and ask them . There is no harm. Trust me when I say it’s all worth it. The man will get your dialed in .
Send em an email I’ll send you some more info. In my profile Is my email.
Stay positive this will get better and there is a solution to your problem.
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Go to usagscience . Com and order the research chemicals of t3 and get started. Problem is you want both. But that’s good enough. Don’t forget this is for research purposes only
I have used their taladafil for a few months and it Works just as well . High quality made in the us of a.
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Sensitivity issues suck. Only thing helped me was hcg low dose. 150iu every 3-4 days. Experimented many times over and it works every time. My sensivity improves substantially, orgasm and libido is much more pronounced. I can’t explain it. Kinda like when you were a kid and woke up in the morning after a nice dream.
That’s awesome. I’ve tried HCG but I don’t think I’ve tried less than 250 IU’s at a time… I can try 100 or something and see if it does anything. I’m not sure what the minimum is for it to do “anything” but who knows. I guess it’s worth a shot.
Today I realize the guys who told me this were keeping estrogen low.
Yup. This is honestly how I got started looking at hormones. I was looking for anything that could make sensitivity bad and found that as a common low E2 symptom. I had lab work done over a year ago originally but didn’t know how bad my results were at the time… I read some stuff saying only total T mattered, and mine was 1100 naturally at that point… never mind the free T at half the normal range and shit E2. Live and learn I guess.
I’m also on other meds. I believe this is causing the issue.
I’ve seen some other posts of yours about the other meds and I can say even when I DID take something like that, I still didn’t have issues like this… I don’t know why.
Try hcg small dose and it should work fast if that’s your issue. Maybe it won’t. Worth a try. The science makes sense.
I went downhill last time I tried HCG so I’m a bit afraid of it. It’s completely possible it was a coincidence or that I took much, who knows. I wonder if you taking a small amount is just bumping your T a little more? I don’t know. I’m open to trying like 100IU’s once or twice and seeing what happens though.
For thyroid labs just test free t3, t4 , reverse and tsh.
Will do.
Send em an email I’ll send you some more info. In my profile Is my email.
Will do.
Go to usagscience
I have some T3/T4 product from idealabs but after I got it I found a lot of reviews saying their recent batches were crap so I barely ever tried it. Its 3mcg T3 and 6mcg T4 per drop. Might be worth trying again I suppose but I think I should get blood tests done first to see where my baseline is.
I have used their taladafil
I wish it would help but it just makes me so f’ing hard I’m even WORSE sensitivity wise. It’s like when your arm goes to sleep from laying on it too long, haha… hard as shit but also worse sensitivity. Not sure if that’s from the slight anti E2 affect or who knows.
Google aipct
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Yes try less hcg jusr 150 and then 200 if you don’t feel anything. Too much hcg gives me horrible symtoms of fatigue and etc
Hcg turns the testicles back on and I hope that creates more e2 in the penis and brings back sensivity. Let me know
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Just wanted to share a couple of things I’ve been researching regarding TRH/TSH/Prolactin and how one end of the spectrum for those hormones (hyperthyroidism) trends towards premature ejaculation (PE) and the other, hypothyroidism, tends to mean delayed ejaculation (DE)
Here’s some reading I found on it:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2605.2010.01059.x (full article)
Epidemiology of delayed ejaculation - PMC
Before anyone even says it… I full admit I’m no academic expert at reading articles like this and picking out mistakes in their methodologies, but I still found it quite interesting. Especially when my TSH keeps going up, Prolactin is above the normal range and my main issue happens to be DE.
Here are a couple of quotes I found interesting:
PRL as well as TSH levels progressively increased from patients with severe PE towards those with anejaculation. Conversely, the opposite was observed for testosterone levels
The prevalence of PE was significantly higher in subjects with hyperthyroidism when compared with the rest of the sample
After excluding subjects with low TSH owing to pituitary diseases, we found that TSH levels were positively related to reported ejaculatory latencies
Associations between DE and hypothyroidism as well as between PE and hyperthyroidism have been extensively documented, even in an animal model
In the study by Carani et al. (2005), it was also shown that medical treatment of the opposite state, hypothyroidism, resulted in a twofold decrease in ejaculatory latency and a reduction in DE
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I’m getting TSH, ft3, ft4 and rt3 tested this later morning so I can see what’s going on there
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Thanks for sharing man. Great food for thought. We take studies and use this Info as guidance . Rarely can we look at one study and make our minds up. We have to use many studies, logic, understanding of the mechanism in question and etc
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Yeah. It makes sense though. At least to me. Hypothyroidism causes an increase in tsh. The increase in tsh comes from an increase in trh. And trh also has a role in regulating prolactin, so when you increase trh prolactin is going to go up too, which is thought to make it difficult to climax if it’s too high.
It’s pretty interesting. In one study they treated people that had hypothyroid/high TSH but weren’t complaining about long average sex times. Even on people that didn’t feel like they had issues, they still found their average times were cut in half with thyroid treatment. Pretty interesting stuff that it would still have that affect.
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