[quote]tedro wrote:
I sure would have liked to see what TCU would have done to either of those teams.[/quote]
probably get their ass beat considering they lost to baylor, who lost to MSU, and msu got beat by THE National Champion Buckeyes.
go away big12.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]tedro wrote:
I sure would have liked to see what TCU would have done to either of those teams.[/quote]
probably get their ass beat considering they lost to baylor, who lost to MSU, and msu got beat by THE National Champion Buckeyes.
go away big12. [/quote]
Good lord, is that the best you can come up with? That’s stupid logic.
You could have used the “they lost to them, who lost to them, etc.” on any team this year except FSU. It doesn’t work. You lost to VaTech, by far the worst lost of any team that was in playoff consideration and the same team who lost to Georgia Tech, who lost to Duke, who lost to VaTech…wait…what? Or how about you lost to VaTech, who lost to 3-win Wake Forest, so WF probably would have beat OSU.
OSU played great their last three games, I’ll give you that. But the arrogance surrounding that school is second only to the SEC.
TCU had one close loss to a top ten team in their stadium. To deny that they could have filled in for the losing team in ANY of the playoff games and stood an excellent chance of winning only shows that you watched no Big 12 football this year. Did you see what they did to Ole Miss, the only other team to beat Alabama?
Besides, the Baylor/MSU game easily could have gone the other way. You can’t even definitively say that MSU is a better team, only that they won when it counted. To argue that suggests that VaTech must be better than OSU.
[quote]tedro wrote:
I sure would have liked to see what TCU would have done to either of those teams.[/quote]
Even with the expansion to 4 we knew there would be some kind of ‘what-if’ scenario(maybe even moreso, because we were far more inclined to consider more teams this season than ever knowing there were more available slots). I will say that coach Patterson seemed to handle it all immaculately, and is prepping that team to take charge and win it next year, leaving nothing to doubt and committee choice.
Looking at it right now, TCU would’ve gotten in over OSU, who just won. So that would’ve sucked. FSU was 3rd and the ‘obvious’ choice to not be let in, but an undefeated power-5 reigning national champion… that’s a tough pill to swallow not letting them in(and imagine a hypothetical scenario where they blowout their bowl opponent? oh lord).
I have nothing to give solace to TCU for this season, just as nobody would have any for whoever was left out in their place, or is left out in the future. It’s a better system but it’s still not perfect.
OSU deserves the title, they absolutely hammered Oregon in every aspect of the game. Speed, aggression, strategy, physicality, it looked like a game that could not end soon enough. Congrats to the Buckeyes for a game well played and a title well earned.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]tedro wrote:
I sure would have liked to see what TCU would have done to either of those teams.[/quote]
Even with the expansion to 4 we knew there would be some kind of ‘what-if’ scenario(maybe even moreso, because we were far more inclined to consider more teams this season than ever knowing there were more available slots). I will say that coach Patterson seemed to handle it all immaculately, and is prepping that team to take charge and win it next year, leaving nothing to doubt and committee choice.
Looking at it right now, TCU would’ve gotten in over OSU, who just won. So that would’ve sucked. FSU was 3rd and the ‘obvious’ choice to not be let in, but an undefeated power-5 reigning national champion… that’s a tough pill to swallow not letting them in(and imagine a hypothetical scenario where they blowout their bowl opponent? oh lord).
I have nothing to give solace to TCU for this season, just as nobody would have any for whoever was left out in their place, or is left out in the future. It’s a better system but it’s still not perfect.[/quote]
Patterson is a true class act. Remember, this is the second time he’s been through this.
Who’s to say that if TCU got in over OSU that TCU wouldn’t have blown right through the playoffs?
I’d take the pre-BCS days over this. This is better than the SEC Champion vs. #2, but I’d rather have no National Championship than one that isn’t accessible to all. Now you’ve given OSU the “right” to call themselves champions without giving arguably the best team even a chance, and screwed the Big 12 out of $2MM, all because a committee deemed one school had a better “body of work”. Whatever that means.
Either give us a real playoff or scrap the whole thing. Until every conference champion is invited this is just a gimmick.
[quote]tedro wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]tedro wrote:
I sure would have liked to see what TCU would have done to either of those teams.[/quote]
Even with the expansion to 4 we knew there would be some kind of ‘what-if’ scenario(maybe even moreso, because we were far more inclined to consider more teams this season than ever knowing there were more available slots). I will say that coach Patterson seemed to handle it all immaculately, and is prepping that team to take charge and win it next year, leaving nothing to doubt and committee choice.
Looking at it right now, TCU would’ve gotten in over OSU, who just won. So that would’ve sucked. FSU was 3rd and the ‘obvious’ choice to not be let in, but an undefeated power-5 reigning national champion… that’s a tough pill to swallow not letting them in(and imagine a hypothetical scenario where they blowout their bowl opponent? oh lord).
I have nothing to give solace to TCU for this season, just as nobody would have any for whoever was left out in their place, or is left out in the future. It’s a better system but it’s still not perfect.[/quote]
Patterson is a true class act. Remember, this is the second time he’s been through this.
Who’s to say that if TCU got in over OSU that TCU wouldn’t have blown right through the playoffs?
I’d take the pre-BCS days over this. This is better than the SEC Champion vs. #2, but I’d rather have no National Championship than one that isn’t accessible to all. Now you’ve given OSU the “right” to call themselves champions without giving arguably the best team even a chance, and screwed the Big 12 out of $2MM, all because a committee deemed one school had a better “body of work”. Whatever that means.
Either give us a real playoff or scrap the whole thing. Until every conference champion is invited this is just a gimmick. [/quote]
I think the Big 12 screwed themselves by not having a championship game. Ohio State had that championship game in the Big 10 and that is where they basically impressed the committee to jump to the number 4 spot. The Big 12 needs to have a title game instead of do something stupid again like make them co champions.
I’m not saying TCU would have beat Ohio State, but they would have made some noise. TCU will be really good again next year too. A lot of their main guys will still be there. They should be a preseason top 5 along with Ohio State.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Here’s the answer: 64 team tournament ala NCAA basketball.
Will that satisfy youse guys?[/quote]
Too many games.
I still think 8 is the magic number
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]tedro wrote:
I sure would have liked to see what TCU would have done to either of those teams.[/quote]
probably get their ass beat considering they lost to baylor, who lost to MSU, and msu got beat by THE National Champion Buckeyes.
go away big12. [/quote]
TCU is starting to look more like the second best team in the country. I mean they beat Minnesota far worse than OSU did, plus they crushed Ole Miss, who beat Bama, who OSU also only beat by 7. I will however concede that the Big 10 definitely won the post season as a whole and OSU is without a doubt the best team in the country. God I love the playoff because it lets you say that. Now if we could just spread it out to 8 teams we would be in business.
And to all you guys saying TCU should have been let in, no they shouldn’t have. If you were going to let one Big12 school in it would have had to have been Baylor (although I think TCU is the better team) because they earned it on the field and that should matter more than anything else. It is even in the Big 12 bylaws (as Briles pointed out) that in the event of a tie the head to head is the tiebreaker. Big 12 just tried to hedge their bets with the co-champion thing and it bit them in the ass.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Here’s the answer: 64 team tournament ala NCAA basketball.
Will that satisfy youse guys?[/quote]
Too many games.
I still think 8 is the magic number[/quote]
I don’t think there is a magic number. I would prefer 8 but no matter what there will be one team on the outside looking in making the claim that they should have been included.
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Here’s the answer: 64 team tournament ala NCAA basketball.
Will that satisfy youse guys?[/quote]
Too many games.
I still think 8 is the magic number[/quote]
I don’t think there is a magic number. I would prefer 8 but no matter what there will be one team on the outside looking in making the claim that they should have been included.[/quote]
I agree, but from a “line in the sand” this is the number that I feel as fans would be the magic number.
8 team playoff has been my choice for years if playoff ever came to be.
For clarification 12 teams (Big 12 has 10 teams currently) are required for a conference championship, and each Big 12 team plays the other nine teams already.
Really if you wanted equality then you would disband all conferences and revamp them into same number of schools, same type of intra-conference scheduling, etc. Kind of like high school is here in Texas.
Who thinks that will happen? Anyone?
[quote]treco wrote:
8 team playoff has been my choice for years if playoff ever came to be.
For clarification 12 teams (Big 12 has 10 teams currently) are required for a conference championship, and each Big 12 team plays the other nine teams already.
Really if you wanted equality then you would disband all conferences and revamp them into same number of schools, same type of intra-conference scheduling, etc. Kind of like high school is here in Texas.
Who thinks that will happen? Anyone? [/quote]
I say 4 super conferences with East and West, take top 6 teams and 2 teams that are not conference as wild cards spots.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]treco wrote:
8 team playoff has been my choice for years if playoff ever came to be.
For clarification 12 teams (Big 12 has 10 teams currently) are required for a conference championship, and each Big 12 team plays the other nine teams already.
Really if you wanted equality then you would disband all conferences and revamp them into same number of schools, same type of intra-conference scheduling, etc. Kind of like high school is here in Texas.
Who thinks that will happen? Anyone? [/quote]
I say 4 super conferences with East and West, take top 6 teams and 2 teams that are not conference as wild cards spots. [/quote]
Big 12 looking weak from a population and TV revenue standpoint. I wonder how long it will last. U of Texas shits on the rest of the conference with the UT network (which doesn’t really seem to broadcast anything but women volleyball), and then lays an egg from a competitive sense also.
[quote]treco wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]treco wrote:
8 team playoff has been my choice for years if playoff ever came to be.
For clarification 12 teams (Big 12 has 10 teams currently) are required for a conference championship, and each Big 12 team plays the other nine teams already.
Really if you wanted equality then you would disband all conferences and revamp them into same number of schools, same type of intra-conference scheduling, etc. Kind of like high school is here in Texas.
Who thinks that will happen? Anyone? [/quote]
I say 4 super conferences with East and West, take top 6 teams and 2 teams that are not conference as wild cards spots. [/quote]
Big 12 looking weak from a population and TV revenue standpoint. I wonder how long it will last. U of Texas shits on the rest of the conference with the UT network (which doesn’t really seem to broadcast anything but women volleyball), and then lays an egg from a competitive sense also.
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Agreed and as UT fan this upsets me honestly. Mack made it like looking down on everyone else and that will not have good outcomes. But the cat is out of the bag so dont know how to put that fucker back in.
I like 8 also as where to start with playoff brackets. Ohio State should be insane next year, they are graduating only a few.
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Here’s the answer: 64 team tournament ala NCAA basketball.
Will that satisfy youse guys?[/quote]
Too many games.
I still think 8 is the magic number[/quote]
I don’t think there is a magic number. I would prefer 8 but no matter what there will be one team on the outside looking in making the claim that they should have been included.[/quote]
True, there will always be a team on the outside looking in but with 8 teams that gives you every conference champ an auto birth, plus maybe an autobirth to the best of the non-power conf teams (should be a minimum finishing position here), plus 2-3 wildcards which is all you would ever need. 12 teams in a playoff might would be nice and would be the upper limit but it would not be necessary.
I mean this year that would have been the four that made it, plus TCU, Baylor, Michigan State, and Mississippi State.
Did anyone really have a claim to even be in contention for a national title other than those? You might could say that some teams on the outside deserved it more than others but could you really argue that any of those teams deserved a shot at a title? The only argument you would really have is that Michigan State and Mississippi State didn’t deserve a shot either.
I’d rather see 6 teams get in and a bye to #1 and #2.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
I’d rather see 6 teams get in and a bye to #1 and #2. [/quote]
Auto births to all conference champs or no? And if so, would their be a minimum required finishing spot for a conf champ to get in?