NCAA Football Playoff

I think it’s that time of year again to start talking about why we need a playoff. This year is a great example of why. Not only is there not a clear number 1, there’s not a clear number 2, 3, 4, or 5. Missouri and WVU are 1-2 in the AP Poll this morning, but I don’t know how anybody could honestly say that they are clearly better than say LSU or Ohio St or Georgia.

Much like the NFL, I think parity is here to stay in college football. The days of an undefeated national champion are over. The SEC’s too good to produce an undefeated team, if the Big 12 can continue to be as good in future years as they are this year, they won’t have an undefeated team for a long time. The Big East and Pac-10 are extremely competitive, and the ACC isn’t too bad either. I think the Big 10 just might be the worst of the major conferences. Throw in the Hawaii, BYU, and Boise State and there are a lot of good teams out there. I won’t be surprised to see quite a few mid-majors beat some major conference schools in the bowls this year.

Anyways, the BCS is junk, in trying to simplify things so much they now just award the championship bids to the top teams in the polls. In what other sport do the coaches have 1/3 of the say of who plays in the title game? Use the BCS to seed teams and bring on a playoff!

There are only two power conferences left in college football: The SEC and the Big 12.

If a school can get through either conference undefeated, they should be in the title game under current BCS rules.

The PAC-10 has proven it’s level of suck this year, as it does every year. And the Big-10 would not even be a BCS conference without the current hyping of it by the talking heads.

We need a play off. I don’t care if it is a 16 team, or a 32 team - but something needs to be done to get the crowning of a champion out of the hands of the fucking sportswriters.

If it is good enough for every other sport in ever other division, why not use a play off in D-1 football? I’ll tell you why: The Big-10, Notre Dame, and the pantie-waisted sportswriters.

I like the BCS +1 game setup that some “experts” are talking about, which would basically be a 4 team playoff. If they had a big playoff with 16-32 teams, the regular season wouldn’t mean as much. It would be like the NFL where teams shut it down and rest guys the last game or two if their playoff position is set.

The +1 scenario would keep the level of excitement and competition high while giving more teams a chance to claim the title.

[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
I like the BCS +1 game setup that some “experts” are talking about, which would basically be a 4 team playoff. If they had a big playoff with 16-32 teams, the regular season wouldn’t mean as much. It would be like the NFL where teams shut it down and rest guys the last game or two if their playoff position is set.

The +1 scenario would keep the level of excitement and competition high while giving more teams a chance to claim the title.[/quote]

I lean this way too. There’s something cool about how meaningful every regular season game is in college football.

I’ve been on the no-playoff bandwagon for a while now, but if seasons like 2007 become the norm, then I might change my tune.

Oklahoma is 10-2, and they’re still not completely out of the title picture if they beat #1 Missouri in the Big XII title game and WVU loses to Pitt. TWO losses, and they’re still in the picture.

I’ve always loved how the regular season was its own playoff, but if two-loss teams start regularly contending for National Titles, then lets go ahead and put in a small, four to six team playoff. If two-loss teams are regularly still in it, then the regular season has already lost a great deal of its importance.

That said, there’s a reason that 2007 has been the strangest season I can ever recall. I’m not ready to say that the days of undefeated champs are over by any stretch. OU, LSU, USC, Ohio St., Mizzou, and KU are all just a few bounces away from being unbeaten.

You just can’t say whether 2007 was a quirky anomaly of a season or a sign of things to come.

How in the hell can you determine who the best is?

Why does it matter about the “regular season” when most all schools play patsies at least one game a year?

Seems to me the regular season would have just as much meaning playing to get into the playoffs, and playing for home field advantage.

People who are against a playoff system on D-1 football are basically saying they want it to be decided by a subjective panel of writers. It makes D-1 College Football no more of a sport than figure skating.

Every sport in every division has a playoff except for D-1 football. How can you knuckle heads accept a playoff in every other sport, but be against it in this one situation?

To add to RJ’s rant, under the current scenario you could have the two or three best teams in the country in one conference and never see them play for a championship, even in their own conference (currently evident in the SEC). It’s ridiculous.

It’s just about money and greed, as far as I can tell. There’s no other reason not to have a playoff, particularly when every other division of college football somehow manages to have one.

And another thing…

Last year Boise St went undefeated and was included in the BCS. This year a team in the same conference is in the same position but won’t be included. How does that work? So Hawaii will not have the same opportunity their conference-mate had, even though they ran the table (albeit in a weak conference)?

Makes no sense, no matter how you slice it – the NCAA doesn’t want a real championship. It’s about bowl dollars.

I love bowls. I think there’re really too many, and the criteria should be harder (.625 record or higher maybe?) but there’re no clear cut champions and that sucks. I think we need some sort of playoff.
Rainjack, you’re the man. My two favorite conferences are the SEC and the BIG 12, and last night I had to listen to my PAC 10-lovin’ buddy jock how they were a very close second to the SEC and would dominate the BIG 12 in strength of schedule, and that the PAC 10 has as strong of defenses as any conference. I don’t take the PAC 10 seriously and don’t feel any of those schools should be in the national title picture. And the BIG 10 is shite this year.

[quote]sdspeedracer wrote:
And another thing…

Last year Boise St went undefeated and was included in the BCS. This year a team in the same conference is in the same position but won’t be included. How does that work? So Hawaii will not have the same opportunity their conference-mate had, even though they ran the table (albeit in a weak conference)?

Makes no sense, no matter how you slice it – the NCAA doesn’t want a real championship. It’s about bowl dollars.[/quote]

Actually, Hawaii moved up to #12 this week, so as long as they beat Washington they will be in a BCS game. It still isn’t fair to them though, if I had a vote I would vote them #1. Do I really think they are the best team in the country? No, not at all. But they are the only one team that has done everything in their power to be number one. You can’t ask a team to do more than win every game, and don’t bring up strength of schedule. The players have no control over who they play and the conference is what it is.

The +1 idea is almost as bad as the current situation. Let’s assume Missouri and WVU both win this week and play for the championship. Then the winner of that game would probably play OSU in the +1. Why should Missouri and WVU have to play each other just to prove again they are the national champion a week later while OSU gets to play a lesser opponent in their bowl game? And then what about Hawaii?

That is just this years example, looking at previous years would make a +1 look even worse.

D-IAA, D-II and D-III have figured out a playoff system, seems D-I could come up with something…it’s the politics (money) of the Bowl games that keeps it from happening.

[quote]tedro wrote:
The +1 idea is almost as bad as the current situation. Let’s assume Missouri and WVU both win this week and play for the championship. Then the winner of that game would probably play OSU in the +1. Why should Missouri and WVU have to play each other just to prove again they are the national champion a week later while OSU gets to play a lesser opponent in their bowl game? And then what about Hawaii?

That is just this years example, looking at previous years would make a +1 look even worse.[/quote]

Seed them 1-4 and have 1 play 4 and 2 play 3.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
tedro wrote:
The +1 idea is almost as bad as the current situation. Let’s assume Missouri and WVU both win this week and play for the championship. Then the winner of that game would probably play OSU in the +1. Why should Missouri and WVU have to play each other just to prove again they are the national champion a week later while OSU gets to play a lesser opponent in their bowl game? And then what about Hawaii?

That is just this years example, looking at previous years would make a +1 look even worse.

Seed them 1-4 and have 1 play 4 and 2 play 3.[/quote]

Now that would just be a four team playoff, wouldn’t it?

A 4 team playoff wouldn’t work for a number of reasons. I am a major advocate of having 12 teams.

[quote]tedro wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
tedro wrote:
The +1 idea is almost as bad as the current situation. Let’s assume Missouri and WVU both win this week and play for the championship. Then the winner of that game would probably play OSU in the +1. Why should Missouri and WVU have to play each other just to prove again they are the national champion a week later while OSU gets to play a lesser opponent in their bowl game? And then what about Hawaii?

That is just this years example, looking at previous years would make a +1 look even worse.

Seed them 1-4 and have 1 play 4 and 2 play 3.

Now that would just be a four team playoff, wouldn’t it?

A 4 team playoff wouldn’t work for a number of reasons. I am a major advocate of having 12 teams.[/quote]

Do 4 get byes the first week?

Yep. It would help to keep the final games of the regular season relevant for all.

Alright, for you playoff nuts, here’s a real-life exercise for you.

Develop a playoff system.

Easy enough, right? Hell, you’ve probably got 3 or 4 of them sitting on paper napkins somewhere in your office right now. But hold on a second.

Since you can’t just blow up college football and remake it as you see fit, here are some real-world constraints you’d have to work through to put in a playoff system:

Number of Games:
There are 12 regular season games now. Some conferences play a conference championship game, which would increase the number to 13.

You’re going to have a VERY difficult time convincing Presidents, AD’s, coaches, players, etc. to play more than 15 games in a season.

You might be able to convince schools to play only 11 regular season games, but that would be difficult. Every game scrapped is a pretty big revenue stream down the drain for somebody.

For economic reasons, you aren’t going to be able to convince conferences to scrap their Championship games.

So that means that any playoff system must be capped at a maximum of three games per team. (11 games + possible conference title game + 3 playoff games = 15 games. That means only eight total playoff participants for those of you who suck at math.)

One party does not want to play more games, and will not budge. The other does not want to play fewer games, and will possibly budge, but only a very small amount.

That’s problem #1.

Bowls:
Bowls will not accept being semi- or quarter-final sites. They rely on teams bringing half-a-state’s-worth of fans with them when they play. Fans aren’t going to travel en masse all across the country to watch a semi-final, and then do it again one or two weeks later to watch a final.

Does North Carolina bring 50,000 fans to watch their Eight Eight game, and then again for their Final Four game a week later? It wouldn’t happen in football either.

Fan travel would reduce quite a bit under a multi-game playoff system, and that’s a non-starter for bowl games.

Bowls also like to view themselves as end-of-season, week-long extravaganzas, with activities, banquets, trips, and tours for everyone involved. You can do this when teams have a month between games. You can’t do this when one team is going to have to play again next week.

Bowls would be reluctant to reduce themselves to being merely a “stamp” on the game. What exactly would the “Orange Bowl” be other than a fancy name for a semi-final?

Finally, you will not easily just push bowls aside. The larger bowls have supported college football for nearly a century and have poured in literally billions of dollars into the sport. They have bought the right to have their opinions seriously considered.

The larger bowls, especially the Rose Bowl, also have enough money and fan support that you can’t strong arm them into doing anything without taking a severe PR hit among the fans – your cash cows.

So you can’t easily force the bowls to accept a playoff system without a huge cost, and bowls simply will not accept being anything other than a championship game or a free-standing event.

That’s problem #2.

Selection Method:

How are you going to select your teams? How many teams would go?
Where would they play?

Are you going to use polls? A BCS-type system to select teams?

Conference champs + X at-large bids?

How do you handle Mid-Majors?

The current problems with the BCS would not be solved with a relatively small playoff system, and you’re never going to have the large, 64-team style playoff that would.

That’s problem #3.

So rather than bluster, come up with a playoff system that solves these three problems as best as possible.

Challenge my assumptions if you want, but I’m not going out on much of a limb with any of them.

Come up with a playoff system that could be reasonably implemented in the sport as it actually exists in real-life, replete with all of the money-grubbing politics that go on behind the curtains.

Tedro:

Problem 1:
Money talks and bullshit walks. Schools will wet themselves to get in on the huge payday that TV will dole out for a playoff system. The bowls mean dick. If they want to be a part of it - then let them. If not - do it like they do in the lower divisions: Give the higher seeded team the home field.

Problem solved.

Problem 2:

Dissolve the current conferences. There is no point to them. Recreate conferences of the D-1 Schools based on geography. Have 8-12 conferences. Winners go losers watch. Maybe have a couple of at large bids.

Pay attention to the lower division schools - they will travel to hell to watch their teams in the playoffs.

Fuck the Bowls. They are meaningless. If they want to play - fine. If not - fuck them.

Problem solved.

Problem 3:

I think I already addressed this above. Dissolve the current conferences, and create new conferences.

Problem solved.

Since when did College Football become a slave to the bowl system?

As it stands - there are very few people that even pay attention to who is playing - much less watch the worthless December 23 games on TV. I mean really - who the hell cares about the damn Las Vegas Bowl?

But -

Make the LV Bowl a first round playoff game, and all of a sudden the game actually matters. People will tune in. Advertising dollars go up. Then the schools actually make some money by going to Nevada for Christmas.

This is not rocket science.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Tedro:

Problem 1:
Money talks and bullshit walks. Schools will wet themselves to get in on the huge payday that TV will dole out for a playoff system. The bowls mean dick. If they want to be a part of it - then let them. If not - do it like they do in the lower divisions: Give the higher seeded team the home field.

Problem solved.

Problem 2:

Dissolve the current conferences. There is no point to them. Recreate conferences of the D-1 Schools based on geography. Have 8-12 conferences. Winners go losers watch. Maybe have a couple of at large bids.

Pay attention to the lower division schools - they will travel to hell to watch their teams in the playoffs.

Fuck the Bowls. They are meaningless. If they want to play - fine. If not - fuck them.

Problem solved.

Problem 3:

I think I already addressed this above. Dissolve the current conferences, and create new conferences.

Problem solved.

Since when did College Football become a slave to the bowl system?

As it stands - there are very few people that even pay attention to who is playing - much less watch the worthless December 23 games on TV. I mean really - who the hell cares about the damn Las Vegas Bowl?

But -

Make the LV Bowl a first round playoff game, and all of a sudden the game actually matters. People will tune in. Advertising dollars go up. Then the schools actually make some money by going to Nevada for Christmas.

This is not rocket science.

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Are you sure you meant to address that to me?

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Alright, for you playoff nuts, here’s a real-life exercise for you.

Come up with a playoff system that could be reasonably implemented in the sport as it actually exists in real-life, replete with all of the money-grubbing politics that go on behind the curtains.[/quote]

Here it is plain and simple. This plan addresses all of your concerns, with the exceptions being it would be possible for up to four teams to play 16 games (but unlikely), and there would be no conference championship games. I disagree that this is a problem, all these games do is prevent conferences from sending a team to the National Championship, which is what will happen to the Big 12 and Missouri this year.

First of all, the reason I suggest a 12 team playoff instead of 8 teams is this: The conference champion from the 6 major conferences all deserve a berth. If an independent has a good season they deserve a birth, and if a mid-major goes undefeated (Hawaii this Year) they deserve a shot. This year there would be only one at-large team, which would be nearly impossible to choose.

Regular Season

Regular season begins the last weekend of August. All I-A teams will play 12 games against other I-A teams, with one bye week. The final regular season games are played the Friday after Thanksgiving. The Big 12, SEC, ACC, MAC, and CUSA scrap their north/south east/west divisions. Each team plays every team in their conference once and has one non-conference game, to be played anytime during the season.

The other conferences also play each team in their conference once with non-conference games used to schedule 12 games. Notre Dame, Army, Navy, and Temple can continue as Indepedents. This will restore some old rivalries (Nebraska/Oklahoma) while creating a fair way to determine regular season conference champions using simple tie-breakers, since the regular season is essentially a round-robin tournament within each conference. NO CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES ARE PLAYED.

Bowl Games

The Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, and BCS National Title will remain as BCS Bowls. The Cotton Bowl will be elevated to BCS status. The remaining 27 bowls will select their teams immediately following the regular season, not to select any of the 12 teams in the playoffs. More on the BCS bowls later.

Playoffs

The playoffs will begin the first weekend after the regular season, and continue for three weeks. At this point we will have our top two teams that will play in the BCS National Championship Game, the remaining 10 teams will play in the other 5 BCS bowls, paying careful attention to regional considerations (i.e. Big 10 vs. Pac-10 in the Rose Bowl) and making sure that no two teams that met in the playoffs will meet again in a bowl game. These 5 bowls will be played on New Years Day while the Championship will be played the first Monday after New Years. The other 27 bowls will start immediately after the playoffs end, and all will be finished by Dec. 31st.

Selecting the Playoff Teams

Regular Season Champions from the Big 12, Big 10, ACC, SEC, Pac-10, and Big East will get Automatic Berths. The highest ranked mid-major team (by BCS rankings) will get an automatic berth. If any independent team finishes in the top 12 of the BCS, they will get an automatic berth. If two independents finish in the top 12, only the highest ranked team will get an automatic berth. Remaining playoff berths (the at-large teams) go to the next highest ranked teams until all twelve spots are filled. Seedings are determined by BCS rank.

Recap

This system maintains the current Bowl system, while making New Years Day Games and the Cotton Bowl meaningful again. Most teams will still play 12 or 13 games, with a maximum of 16, but usually no more than 15. (High schoolers play 13 games in 13 weeks, so I don’t think this is too many.) The Football season will always be over by Jan. 8th. Some old rivalries are restored, and we don’t have to worry about Big 10 teams with easy schedules, since everybody plays everybody. My system also maintains tradition by keeping the
Polls, hopefully the Harris Poll would be scrapped and the AP would rejoin the BCS. And I don’t believe the 13th ranked team will have much argument for a chance, due to all of the automatic berths. I really believe that this sort of system solves all the problems typically brought up by playoff opponents.

Under this system, if the season were to end today, seedings would look like this:

  1. Missouri (Big 12)
  2. West Virginia (Big East)
  3. Ohio State (Big 10)
  4. Georgia 10-2 (At-large #1)
  5. Kansas 11-1 (At-large 2)
  6. Virginia Tech 10-2 (ACC)
  7. LSU 10-2 (SEC)
  8. USC 9-2 (Pac-10)
  9. Oklahoma 10-2 (At-large 3)
  10. Florida 9-3 (At-large 4)
  11. Boston College 10-2 (At-large 5)
  12. Hawaii 11-0 (Mid-major)