Bad calls do not make OKC blow a 17 point lead, bad calls are not why LBJ is sinking his 3’s and unstoppable on his drives, they also do not lead to Chalmers stepping it up and giving OKC the D-stain last game.
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I can’t believe anybody that’s played even an intramural game would say this. This is not a personal attack, as most people do but I think it’s pure bullshit.
I’ve seen plenty of games turn around because ref’s made two or three consecutive bad calls. In a sport decided on momentum where talent level being equal, to say calls don’t have the most effect is bullshit. Coaches have been kicked out of games to get the teams to play different, you don’t think a ref will have more of an effect.
If I’m a ref, and a team has a great post player all I have to do is make two offensive foul calls and I can be sure that guy won’t score in the post the rest of the game. Don’t believe it, look at game 2 and 3 with Lebron last year. When you make players think how to change in an instinctual game they’re screwed.
It’s like playing a game with a 10 y/o that changes the rules every 5 minutes you’ll eventually quit.[/quote]
I have a 4 year old brother, he changes rules in games all the time, doesnt mean i shouldnt play with him, dont be a bitch.
and yes bad calls happen, IN EVERY SPORT. Live with it. Play the game. Bad calls dont make you miss drives and 3 pointers, not playing to your potential does.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Weren’t some of you complaining the Thunder were getting all the calls against the Spurs? Maybe it’s just karma lol[/quote]
and against the Lakers too… because they were.
The Thunder have been getting crazy calls all playoff long (ESPECIALLY Harden) and now that they’re not getting the calls its thrown off their mojo it would seem.
Shut the fuck up with the refs. My god you are all a buncha fucking whinning turds. Face it, the Heat have SCORED WHEN THEY HAVE NEEDED IT. The Thunder have not. THE THUNDER FOULED TWO THREE POINT SHOOTERS WITH OBVIOUS FOULS TO ERASE THE 17 POINT LEAD. They are so many plays the Thunder have not made to win a game. The refs have nothing to do with James Harden being non existant in this series. Nothing to do with Chalmers driving and scoring when the Heat needed it. Nothing to do with the Thunder bricking shots when they need. Nothing to do with Westbrook fouling Chalmers at the end of the game for no reason ruining the chance of a comeback.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Its easy to say that when the calls are going in our teams favor lol.[/quote]
Dude I have just come to accept that you cant control the refs so play your game. In HS is was them same thing with refs, in college its the same thing with refs, why do people think it will be different in the NBA.
[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:
Shut the fuck up with the refs. My god you are all a buncha fucking whinning turds. Face it, the Heat have SCORED WHEN THEY HAVE NEEDED IT. The Thunder have not. THE THUNDER FOULED TWO THREE POINT SHOOTERS WITH OBVIOUS FOULS TO ERASE THE 17 POINT LEAD. They are so many plays the Thunder have not made to win a game. The refs have nothing to do with James Harden being non existant in this series. Nothing to do with Chalmers driving and scoring when the Heat needed it. Nothing to do with the Thunder bricking shots when they need. Nothing to do with Westbrook fouling Chalmers at the end of the game for no reason ruining the chance of a comeback. [/quote]
Don’t forget Harden fouling Lebron at the end of game 3 for no good reason.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Its easy to say that when the calls are going in our teams favor lol.[/quote]
Dude I have just come to accept that you cant control the refs so play your game. In HS is was them same thing with refs, in college its the same thing with refs, why do people think it will be different in the NBA. [/quote]
obviously you cant control the refs but you would think that the refs at the highest level of the sport (NBA) would be the best.
Do mistakes/missed calls/bad calls happen? Of course they do but you cant objectively look at this series and not say that Miami has gotten WAY more calls/no calls than OKC has… the bad calls should go both ways and even themselves out but that hasnt happened yet (it could all change tonight though)
[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:
Shut the fuck up with the refs. My god you are all a buncha fucking whinning turds. Face it, the Heat have SCORED WHEN THEY HAVE NEEDED IT. The Thunder have not. THE THUNDER FOULED TWO THREE POINT SHOOTERS WITH OBVIOUS FOULS TO ERASE THE 17 POINT LEAD. They are so many plays the Thunder have not made to win a game. The refs have nothing to do with James Harden being non existant in this series. Nothing to do with Chalmers driving and scoring when the Heat needed it. Nothing to do with the Thunder bricking shots when they need. Nothing to do with Westbrook fouling Chalmers at the end of the game for no reason ruining the chance of a comeback. [/quote]
Don’t forget Harden fouling Lebron at the end of game 3 for no good reason.[/quote]
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Its easy to say that when the calls are going in our teams favor lol.[/quote]
Dude I have just come to accept that you cant control the refs so play your game. In HS is was them same thing with refs, in college its the same thing with refs, why do people think it will be different in the NBA. [/quote]
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Its easy to say that when the calls are going in our teams favor lol.[/quote]
Dude I have just come to accept that you cant control the refs so play your game. In HS is was them same thing with refs, in college its the same thing with refs, why do people think it will be different in the NBA. [/quote]
Everybody seems to say that when they’re winning. [/quote]
[quote]scj119 wrote:
My point is when you believe for something to be true, you have the strongest confirmation bias of anyone I’ve ever heard of. You (subconsciously) play up every single possible instance that confirms what you believe and don’t even notice anything that contradicts.[/quote]
This same thing applies to you as well, ya know?
You 100% believe that the “fix” isnt in and see every single possible instance that confirms what you believe.
It goes both ways. If you think its fixed you’ll find things to support that. If you don’t think its fixed you’re going to find things to support that.
If I was a Miami fan I wouldn’t care if the officiating was biased in my favor. My team would still be winning and would get their rings…who cares about officiating then? (kinda like the Lakers did back in 2001… I could care less if the officials really made that happen against Sacramento lol)[/quote]
That last post just highlights what I said a couple of pages ago i.e. where the fuck were all you officiating conspiracy guys when the REALLY evident and blatant corruption was going on?
It’s pure hypocrisy or ignorance at the very least to try and validate you current sentiments on officiating by stating you weren’t concerned about it back then because your team was the beneficiary. We can’t take anything you say on the matter seriously as a consequence.
And you cannot say the argument goes both ways. Scj is taking the defensive position, which has MUCH MORE WEIGHT than the other position of attack and heavy criticism on the officiating. Many more people support the REALITY that is represented by the GENERAL CONSENSUS that Miami has played better than OKC. The stats show that and the play on the court shows that (for those guys who are actually watching the games). The other side is stating officiating impacts the stat sheet and play but cannot provide any EVIDENCE of it being significant, let alone judging its magnitude. If there really was a problem there would be much more outcry than there is now, and it’s really that simple. You’d have to show multiple and OBVIOUS bad calls not just one. The problem is, you can’t really do that in this series.
On a last point how do you have the audacity to say LeBron will only deserve a ring if he keeps putting up 30/8/8. I’m sorry but I don’t recall Kobe EVER putting those kind of numbers in the playoffs let alone Finals.
“Multiple and obvious bad calls not just one”… Have you watched the series? You can’t honestly say that OKC had only had 1 obvious or bad call go against them. Come on son.
Huge no call at the end of game 2 when Durant was fouled… OKC loses.
Game 3: Miami shoots 11 more free throws and wins by 6.
Game 4: Miami shoots 9 more free throws and wins by 6.
Durant gets in fouls trouble in game 2 & 3 and ha to sit the bench while Miami ate up the lead when in all his other games against Miami/LeBron he hasn’t been in foul trouble and averaged something like 2 fouls a game.
You tell me the officiating hasn’t blatantly helped Miami. Be realistic and look at it objectively. OKC has missed a lot of opportunities in these games but the refs arent helping.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
That last post just highlights what I said a couple of pages ago i.e. where the fuck were all you officiating conspiracy guys when the REALLY evident and blatant corruption was going on?
It’s pure hypocrisy or ignorance at the very least to try and validate you current sentiments on officiating by stating you weren’t concerned about it back then because your team was the beneficiary. We can’t take anything you say on the matter seriously as a consequence.
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So because I said bad officiating didn’t bother me when it went in my teams favor that means I can’t comment on bad officiating? I didn’t deny that bad officiating occurred, so I don’t see your point?
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On a last point how do you have the audacity to say LeBron will only deserve a ring if he keeps putting up 30/8/8. I’m sorry but I don’t recall Kobe EVER putting those kind of numbers in the playoffs let alone Finals. [/quote]
I never said he "will only deserve it if he keeps putting up 30/8/8. I said that if he keeps playing the way he is playing (which is putting up numbers similar to that) that he definitely deserves it. I said he was playing great and putting up monster numbers and if he keeps it up and wins then he definitely earned his ring by carrying his team.
Again, I don’t see why you’re so obviously butthurt about my post? relax, go get a massage or something cause you’re really worked up over nothing.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
That last post just highlights what I said a couple of pages ago i.e. where the fuck were all you officiating conspiracy guys when the REALLY evident and blatant corruption was going on?
It’s pure hypocrisy or ignorance at the very least to try and validate you current sentiments on officiating by stating you weren’t concerned about it back then because your team was the beneficiary. We can’t take anything you say on the matter seriously as a consequence.
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So because I said bad officiating didn’t bother me when it went in my teams favor that means I can’t comment on bad officiating? I didn’t deny that bad officiating occurred, so I don’t see your point?
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On a last point how do you have the audacity to say LeBron will only deserve a ring if he keeps putting up 30/8/8. I’m sorry but I don’t recall Kobe EVER putting those kind of numbers in the playoffs let alone Finals. [/quote]
I never said he "will only deserve it if he keeps putting up 30/8/8. I said that if he keeps playing the way he is playing (which is putting up numbers similar to that) that he definitely deserves it. I said he was playing great and putting up monster numbers and if he keeps it up and wins then he definitely earned his ring by carrying his team.
Again, I don’t see why you’re so obviously butthurt about my post? relax, go get a massage or something cause you’re really worked up over nothing. [/quote]
You can comment just don’t expect us to take it seriously because you only said there was bad officiating there ex-post after people started pointing it out. Now you’re talking about officiating real time, which leads me to believe it’s a biased position.
I’m not butt hurt and its nothing personal but this emphasis on officiating is getting out of line. Miami has been to the line more because they’ve employed a more aggressive mentality than OKC. OKC is a jump shooting team, everyone will tell you that (even though they are athletic). Miami has been shooting only like 35% from the perimeter, they’ve been winning by pounding the paint.
Some people are blaming Durant’s passiveness on the effects of bad officiating but that’s his problem.
^^LOL… I wasnt talking about the bad officiating at the time when the Lakers were getting all the calls against the Kings in 2001?!? Are you serious? Hahahaha I wasn’t even on this site then and neither were you lol.
Jump hooting team? Westbrook had 32 shots, most of them drives and shot 3 free throws.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
My point is when you believe for something to be true, you have the strongest confirmation bias of anyone I’ve ever heard of. You (subconsciously) play up every single possible instance that confirms what you believe and don’t even notice anything that contradicts.[/quote]
This same thing applies to you as well, ya know?
You 100% believe that the “fix” isnt in and see every single possible instance that confirms what you believe.
It goes both ways. If you think its fixed you’ll find things to support that. If you don’t think its fixed you’re going to find things to support that.
If I was a Miami fan I wouldn’t care if the officiating was biased in my favor. My team would still be winning and would get their rings…who cares about officiating then? (kinda like the Lakers did back in 2001… I could care less if the officials really made that happen against Sacramento lol)[/quote]
I dunno, I don’t think I’ve ever said a conspiracy is impossible. I just think other things explain it better and more consistently. If the league has a conspiracy then there are a lot of head scratching decisions they make. That being said, if I found out “the fix was in” all these years my surprise would be maybe a 6 or 7… a little surprised but far from a 10.