[quote]gregron wrote:
Here is my view on the officiating thing…
I am not an OKC fan or a Heat fan… I like Wade and I didn’t love or hate James when he was in Cleveland. I did root against him after the decision and all the way up until game 2 or so of this series because of his entitled whinny douche attitude… But from what I’ve seen of him in these playoffs, I wouldn’t be upset to see him win a ring.
He has literally played his ass off every night, kept quiet in the media about his BS and just carried his team. Night in and night out he’s doing it on both ends of the floor and willing his team to victories. I can definitely respect that even as someone who had been a Heat “hater” for almost two seasons. IF Miami wins this series I will give LBJ all the credit.
BUT if you cannot see that OKC is getting absolutely HOSED on the bad calls/no calls in every game then I don’t know what to tell you. I’m not an OKC fan but theyre getting consistently screwed by the refs. They’ve made some mistakes and blown it but if you can’t honestly watch the games and see that the redding is clearly in Miami’s favor then you’re not being realistic… But you can’t spell the word fanatic without fan.
This series isn’t over yet. OKC won 4 in a row against Dallas, 3 in a row against San Antonio and 4 out of 5 against the Lakers. They could turn this into a competitive series. They only needed on road win to get back home court and they’ve almost got it in both games. I’d love to see them win game 5 and take it back to Oklahoma… These games have been so exciting that I want to see more. [/quote]
I didn’t think they got that badly hosed in OKC.
Here’s the thing - I’m not just belaboring a point for the sake of it, I’m being honest - I really can’t remember the last time I saw a HOME TEAM get the bejeezus screwed out of them by the officials.
I like to gamble on the NBA. It’s well known amongst successful NBA gamblers (I mean the well-known famous ones, not friends of mine who claim to win a lot) that home team officiating is worth ~5pts/game in the playoffs (vs. ~4pts/game in reg season). I trust people whose income rides on knowing this stuff down to a science. Make sense?
I suppose we’ve all forgotten literally one round ago when Wade was constantly complaining because he wasn’t getting calls he was used to, and was reduced to a jumpshooter against BOS?
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Can this be over so I can get back to my mundane real life
“at the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today.They have to get back to the real world at some point.”
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Oh cool we’re still talking about things that happened a year or more ago.[/quote]
Nah just me…still a reminder of why Lebron has changed his image from golden boy to villain, which is why even if he wins he will not be liked (for the most part) outside of Miami. I want him to win so the season could be over…[/quote]
If the general public no longer sees Jordan as a gambler and Kobe as a rapist(not saying he ever did it), maybe one day they’ll forget about “The Decision” and appreciate James for the player he is on the court. For a “villain” he hasn’t been very villainous. He’s actually been very humble all things considered.
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Personally I hate Jordan the player (not much of a fan of the man from what I know as well) and hate Lebron the player, but always will appreciate their talent. While his actions on the court may have not been overtly villainy (lol) he admittedly has no problem taking on the role. I dont think I will ever consider Lebron humble all things considered.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I suppose we’ve all forgotten literally one round ago when Wade was constantly complaining because he wasn’t getting calls he was used to, and was reduced to a jumpshooter against BOS?[/quote]
He’s done that the entire playoffs… He complains every game (did you see him last night?)
You haven’t seen a home team get hosed on calls… Did you watch game 2? Lol
Again, explain to me why he let a newly placed team in a giant market to lose its first round pick?[/quote]
Why waste my time? You’re just gonna post ridiculous shit to keep your argument going. Believe what you want dude.
And as to your pro gambler bit: did it ever occur to you that these dudes have inside info? These guys make money gambling. You really think they’re gonna give away what they really know? Of course they’re gonna use home reffing or whatever as a beard. That is comically naive.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
If the general public no longer sees Jordan as a gambler and Kobe as a rapist(not saying he ever did it), maybe one day they’ll forget about “The Decision” and appreciate James for the player he is on the court. For a “villain” he hasn’t been very villainous. He’s actually been very humble all things considered.
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LOL… Come on Sam.
Comparing MJ’s gambling (known fact) and LBJ’s douche move “Dicision” (known fact) to Kobe’s alleged rape charge (which was proven to not be true)???
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
If the general public no longer sees Jordan as a gambler and Kobe as a rapist(not saying he ever did it), maybe one day they’ll forget about “The Decision” and appreciate James for the player he is on the court. For a “villain” he hasn’t been very villainous. He’s actually been very humble all things considered.
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LOL… Come on Sam.
Comparing MJ’s gambling (known fact) and LBJ’s douche move “Dicision” (known fact) to Kobe’s alleged rape charge (which was proven to not be true)???
Come on son!!! Hahaha[/quote]
It was proven not to be true? When did that happen?
Again, explain to me why he let a newly placed team in a giant market to lose its first round pick?[/quote]
Why waste my time? You’re just gonna post ridiculous shit to keep your argument going. Believe what you want dude.
And as to your pro gambler bit: did it ever occur to you that these dudes have inside info? These guys make money gambling. You really think they’re gonna give away what they really know? Of course they’re gonna use home reffing or whatever as a beard. That is comically naive.[/quote]
Because you don’t have answer. The fact remains that nearly every event (lottery selection, playoffs series, etc.) has some legit story you could think of after-the-fact to support a conspiracy theory.
The thing with conspiracies, and why I almost never believe them, is that you can’t prove the negative (i.e., you can never prove the absence of a conspiracy theory). I don’t believe in stuff just because it can’t be proven wrong. It would be like believing in God solely because no one can prove he DOESN’T exist. I need more than just “absence of a counter-explanation” to believe in shit.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I suppose we’ve all forgotten literally one round ago when Wade was constantly complaining because he wasn’t getting calls he was used to, and was reduced to a jumpshooter against BOS?[/quote]
He’s done that the entire playoffs… He complains every game (did you see him last night?)
You haven’t seen a home team get hosed on calls… Did you watch game 2? Lol[/quote]
Actually that was the one finals game I didn’t catch all of, haha. Can’t comment on that game unfortunately.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
If the general public no longer sees Jordan as a gambler and Kobe as a rapist(not saying he ever did it), maybe one day they’ll forget about “The Decision” and appreciate James for the player he is on the court. For a “villain” he hasn’t been very villainous. He’s actually been very humble all things considered.
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LOL… Come on Sam.
Comparing MJ’s gambling (known fact) and LBJ’s douche move “Dicision” (known fact) to Kobe’s alleged rape charge (which was proven to not be true)???
Come on son!!! Hahaha[/quote]
I think the much more relevant point is that MJ and Kobe’s infractions happened way before the onslaught of social media. News was harder to come by. Now people talk about that shit instantly with strangers from around the world, dial up youtube clips of it in fractions of a minute, have 1,000,000 different columnists/bloggers posting about it the next day (instead of a couple AP articles syndicated for the various newspapers).
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
If the general public no longer sees Jordan as a gambler and Kobe as a rapist(not saying he ever did it), maybe one day they’ll forget about “The Decision” and appreciate James for the player he is on the court. For a “villain” he hasn’t been very villainous. He’s actually been very humble all things considered.
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LOL… Come on Sam.
Comparing MJ’s gambling (known fact) and LBJ’s douche move “Dicision” (known fact) to Kobe’s alleged rape charge (which was proven to not be true)???
Come on son!!! Hahaha[/quote]
Nah man, I’m not comparing the actual actions. just the public’s perception. the whole "Kobe’s a rapist " was everywhere.
I never believed for a second that he raped that lady. But it did mess with his image. that’s the comparison I was going for.
Again, explain to me why he let a newly placed team in a giant market to lose its first round pick?[/quote]
Why waste my time? You’re just gonna post ridiculous shit to keep your argument going. Believe what you want dude.
And as to your pro gambler bit: did it ever occur to you that these dudes have inside info? These guys make money gambling. You really think they’re gonna give away what they really know? Of course they’re gonna use home reffing or whatever as a beard. That is comically naive.[/quote]
Because you don’t have answer. The fact remains that nearly every event (lottery selection, playoffs series, etc.) has some legit story you could think of after-the-fact to support a conspiracy theory.
The thing with conspiracies, and why I almost never believe them, is that you can’t prove the negative (i.e., you can never prove the absence of a conspiracy theory). I don’t believe in stuff just because it can’t be proven wrong. It would be like believing in God solely because no one can prove he DOESN’T exist. I need more than just “absence of a counter-explanation” to believe in shit.
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Having an “answer” and having proof are two entirely different things. Also, your argument is retarded. I could use the exact same stance on my behalf. I’m done arguing with you. You’re gonna have some ridiculous reply no matter what I say, so I’m out. Again, enjoy fantasyland.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
If the general public no longer sees Jordan as a gambler and Kobe as a rapist(not saying he ever did it), maybe one day they’ll forget about “The Decision” and appreciate James for the player he is on the court. For a “villain” he hasn’t been very villainous. He’s actually been very humble all things considered.
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LOL… Come on Sam.
Comparing MJ’s gambling (known fact) and LBJ’s douche move “Dicision” (known fact) to Kobe’s alleged rape charge (which was proven to not be true)???
Come on son!!! Hahaha[/quote]
Nah man, I’m not comparing the actual actions. just the public’s perception. the whole "Kobe’s a rapist " was everywhere.
I never believed for a second that he raped that lady. But it did mess with his image. that’s the comparison I was going for.
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I gotcha… I was just givin you a hard time.
Yeah, he didn’t rape her, she just wanted a pay day.
The last thing I’m going to say about officiating is this: I’m not arguing that Miami isn’t getting the lion’s share of the calls these last few games. What I’m arguing is that receiving most of the bad calls can only be explained via a Stern-ordered conspiracy. There are plenty of reasons that the Heat may be getting more calls, I just think conspiracy isn’t the most likely. That’s not to say it’s impossible, just that it’s less likely than others.
Anyway, am only talkin about the games themselves from here out.
Don’t know if you guys read him, but I’ve become a huge fan of Zach Lowe’s during these playoffs. He wrote a great article about some of the subtleties of the Heat offense when LBJ has the ball in the post, things you can miss when watching in real time. I found it interesting.
Yeah, the officiating has been awful this series. The past few years it has seemed like the referees just take over the finals.
Game 2 was pretty much handed to the Heat. Last night the officiating was extremely favourable to the Heat.
Usually the commentators downplay the bad calls, but yesterday they couldn’t.
And a lot of the bad foul calls are against Durant. Who cares if there’s a bad call against Shane Battier? OKC isn’t going to have a chance when their best player sits out because of foul trouble, and the other players are afraid of playing aggressively because the same might happen to them.