[quote]PB Andy wrote:
can’t wait til he gets his ring so people will shut the fuck up about it.[/quote]
Nobody will shut up about it, because he’ll still be 4 behind Kobe and 5 behind Jordan, the conversation will just evolve to that next point. People will most likely hate on LBJ forever; only way to avoid hearing the talk is to find a different sport to care about.
Can this be over so I can get back to my mundane real life
“at the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today.They have to get back to the real world at some point.”
[quote]scj119 wrote:
The most Westbrook game ever. Gives them an incredible game and basically carries the team, then makes a headscratching foul to ice the game for MIA and gives the ball away on the ensuing last chance possession. Gotta feel for him.
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Dude was unstoppable.
Yup, another dumb foul by a young OKC player in the final minutes to put the nail in the coffin. Brooks denied it had anything to do with inexperience in the post game interview. Riiight.
I’m still wondering when Durant scored his 28. It’s weird how automatic he is. I watched the entire game and it felt like he had 16.
[quote]gregron wrote:
LOL… You know it’s bad when the announcers are consistently commenting on the biased officiating and bad calls against OKC.
Entertaining game so far! I hope it’s close down to the end…[/quote]
How anyone can watch this series and not see that the refs are CLEARLY influencing the outcome blows my mind. I had it wrong. Bad guys are gonna win this one so it adds to the drama when the good guys take it next year. Also, mark it down that Miami will be called a “team of destiny” or something equally cheesy after being down 2-1 against IND, 3-2 against BOS, etc… There reffing has been so atrocious I’m not sure I can watch game 5. David Stern handing Miami a championship is completely different than them earning one. This league is disgusting.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
LOL… You know it’s bad when the announcers are consistently commenting on the biased officiating and bad calls against OKC.
Entertaining game so far! I hope it’s close down to the end…[/quote]
How anyone can watch this series and not see that the refs are CLEARLY influencing the outcome blows my mind. I had it wrong. Bad guys are gonna win this one so it adds to the drama when the good guys take it next year. Also, mark it down that Miami will be called a “team of destiny” or something equally cheesy after being down 2-1 against IND, 3-2 against BOS, etc… There reffing has been so atrocious I’m not sure I can watch game 5. David Stern handing Miami a championship is completely different than them earning one. This league is disgusting.[/quote]
Bad officiating is seen in every league and almost every single game. It is a part of the process you just have to live with it. BS calls go both ways.
Please do not try and blame the Heat being 3-1 against OKC on bad officiating.
[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
LOL… You know it’s bad when the announcers are consistently commenting on the biased officiating and bad calls against OKC.
Entertaining game so far! I hope it’s close down to the end…[/quote]
How anyone can watch this series and not see that the refs are CLEARLY influencing the outcome blows my mind. I had it wrong. Bad guys are gonna win this one so it adds to the drama when the good guys take it next year. Also, mark it down that Miami will be called a “team of destiny” or something equally cheesy after being down 2-1 against IND, 3-2 against BOS, etc… There reffing has been so atrocious I’m not sure I can watch game 5. David Stern handing Miami a championship is completely different than them earning one. This league is disgusting.[/quote]
Bad officiating is seen in every league and almost every single game. It is a part of the process you just have to live with it. BS calls go both ways.
Please do not try and blame the Heat being 3-1 against OKC on bad officiating.
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I’m not trying to blame them. I AM blaming them. Bad calls have not gone both ways. Miami is getting handed the most ridiculous shit I’ve ever seen. Again, players gotta play, but OKC is playing 5-on-8 out there. Even the fucking commentators saw it. It’s to the point where I can’t even take the NBA seriously anymore. It’s a fucking joke out there.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Can this be over so I can get back to my mundane real life
“at the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today.They have to get back to the real world at some point.”
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Oh cool we’re still talking about things that happened a year or more ago.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
LOL… You know it’s bad when the announcers are consistently commenting on the biased officiating and bad calls against OKC.
Entertaining game so far! I hope it’s close down to the end…[/quote]
How anyone can watch this series and not see that the refs are CLEARLY influencing the outcome blows my mind. I had it wrong. Bad guys are gonna win this one so it adds to the drama when the good guys take it next year. Also, mark it down that Miami will be called a “team of destiny” or something equally cheesy after being down 2-1 against IND, 3-2 against BOS, etc… There reffing has been so atrocious I’m not sure I can watch game 5. David Stern handing Miami a championship is completely different than them earning one. This league is disgusting.[/quote]
Bad officiating is seen in every league and almost every single game. It is a part of the process you just have to live with it. BS calls go both ways.
Please do not try and blame the Heat being 3-1 against OKC on bad officiating.
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I’m not trying to blame them. I AM blaming them. Bad calls have not gone both ways. Miami is getting handed the most ridiculous shit I’ve ever seen. Again, players gotta play, but OKC is playing 5-on-8 out there. Even the fucking commentators saw it. It’s to the point where I can’t even take the NBA seriously anymore. It’s a fucking joke out there.[/quote]
God I was really hoping you wouldn’t weigh in.
They got some bad calls but if you watch the game WITHOUT deciding beforehand that you are going to carefully watch the officiating and see if MIA is getting favored… it was actually a really fun game to watch.
MIA played better than OKC did regardless of what any officials did.
Besides, whatever the fuck happened to your argument that the NBA is trying to build an OKC dynasty? You change your story every round about who’s going to be favored and why it’s a conspiracy based on who starts out getting more calls
WHY ARE WE STILL SHOCKED THE HOME TEAM IS GETTING MOST OF THE BAD CALLS
GOD it’s infuriating.
Look, officials are humans, right? There will be bad calls. If there are 10 bad calls in a game, it is very unlikely that they will be evenly distributed. Flip a coin 100 times and tell me how many times it lands heads. The odds of it coming up on either heads or tails 60 or more times are pretty damn high.
In one series, say there are 50 bad calls. By RANDOM LUCK we would expect to be not close to even because 50 just isn’t a big enough sample size for it to even out.
Add in the fact MIA has two bigger stars and are playing at home, yes they are going to get calls. The refs didn’t make Harden miss a dunk or go 2-for-10 with 4 turnovers, they didn’t make Russ foul Chalmers with 13 seconds left, they didn’t make Brooks stubbornly stick with Perkins for 20 minutes, and they didn’t make Mario Chalmers come from nowhere to drop 25pts on 15 shots which he will probably never do in his career.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
LOL… You know it’s bad when the announcers are consistently commenting on the biased officiating and bad calls against OKC.
Entertaining game so far! I hope it’s close down to the end…[/quote]
How anyone can watch this series and not see that the refs are CLEARLY influencing the outcome blows my mind. I had it wrong. Bad guys are gonna win this one so it adds to the drama when the good guys take it next year. Also, mark it down that Miami will be called a “team of destiny” or something equally cheesy after being down 2-1 against IND, 3-2 against BOS, etc… There reffing has been so atrocious I’m not sure I can watch game 5. David Stern handing Miami a championship is completely different than them earning one. This league is disgusting.[/quote]
Bad officiating is seen in every league and almost every single game. It is a part of the process you just have to live with it. BS calls go both ways.
Please do not try and blame the Heat being 3-1 against OKC on bad officiating.
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I’m not trying to blame them. I AM blaming them. Bad calls have not gone both ways. Miami is getting handed the most ridiculous shit I’ve ever seen. Again, players gotta play, but OKC is playing 5-on-8 out there. Even the fucking commentators saw it. It’s to the point where I can’t even take the NBA seriously anymore. It’s a fucking joke out there.[/quote]
God I was really hoping you wouldn’t weigh in.
They got some bad calls but if you watch the game WITHOUT deciding beforehand that you are going to carefully watch the officiating and see if MIA is getting favored… it was actually a really fun game to watch.
MIA played better than OKC did regardless of what any officials did.
Besides, whatever the fuck happened to your argument that the NBA is trying to build an OKC dynasty?[/quote]
They still are numbnuts. They’re building drama. Drama + rivalry + potential dynasties = BILLIONS. If you can’t see this, enjoy your fantasy world. Like him or not, James brings ratings, and ratings brings money. Having a bad guy vs good guy is Stern’s dream scenario, and he’s making it happen. Bad guy wins, more people tune in next time to see him lose. Pretty simple.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Look, officials are humans, right? There will be bad calls. If there are 10 bad calls in a game, it is very unlikely that they will be evenly distributed. Flip a coin 100 times and tell me how many times it lands heads. The odds of it coming up on either heads or tails 60 or more times are pretty damn high.
In one series, say there are 50 bad calls. By RANDOM LUCK we would expect to be not close to 25-25 because 50 just isn’t a big enough sample size for it to even out. 35-15 split is pretty common even in a random number generator.
Add in the fact MIA has two bigger stars and are playing at home, yes they are going to get calls. The refs didn’t make Harden miss a dunk or go 2-for-10 with 4 turnovers, they didn’t make Russ foul Chalmers with 13 seconds left, they didn’t make Brooks stubbornly stick with Perkins for 20 minutes, and they didn’t make Mario Chalmers come from nowhere to drop 25pts on 15 shots which he will probably never do in his career.[/quote]
Haven’t I said countless times now that players still have to play? The refs can’t do everything. And, as to your home team argument: where were this home calls for OKC at the end of game 2 when James was fouling the fuck out of Durant?
Anyone else think Harden’s shittiness is due to him guarding LBJ? They are pounding it to LBJ in the post relentlessly and I think it is tiring him out. First off, Harden has never been a great defender, so I’m not sure why they are putting him on the best player on the planet, with the added challenge they even play different positions. He is getting beat to shit on D then being asked to play offense.
It’s not rocket science. Take Perkins out, leave Ibaka or Collison on Bosh, put KD on Battier to rest him, put Sefolosha on LBJ because he’s the best chance you have of slowing him down, and leave Harden on Wade.
Last officiating point - if you were watching both sides, there were some bad calls in OKC’s favor last night. Not as many, but there were some.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Can this be over so I can get back to my mundane real life
“at the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today.They have to get back to the real world at some point.”
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Oh cool we’re still talking about things that happened a year or more ago.[/quote]
Nah just me…still a reminder of why Lebron has changed his image from golden boy to villain, which is why even if he wins he will not be liked (for the most part) outside of Miami. I want him to win so the season could be over…
Here is my view on the officiating thing…
I am not an OKC fan or a Heat fan… I like Wade and I didn’t love or hate James when he was in Cleveland. I did root against him after the decision and all the way up until game 2 or so of this series because of his entitled whinny douche attitude… But from what I’ve seen of him in these playoffs, I wouldn’t be upset to see him win a ring.
He has literally played his ass off every night, kept quiet in the media about his BS and just carried his team. Night in and night out he’s doing it on both ends of the floor and willing his team to victories. I can definitely respect that even as someone who had been a Heat “hater” for almost two seasons. IF Miami wins this series I will give LBJ all the credit.
BUT if you cannot see that OKC is getting absolutely HOSED on the bad calls/no calls in every game then I don’t know what to tell you. I’m not an OKC fan but theyre getting consistently screwed by the refs. They’ve made some mistakes and blown it but if you can’t honestly watch the games and see that the redding is clearly in Miami’s favor then you’re not being realistic… But you can’t spell the word fanatic without fan.
This series isn’t over yet. OKC won 4 in a row against Dallas, 3 in a row against San Antonio and 4 out of 5 against the Lakers. They could turn this into a competitive series. They only needed on road win to get back home court and they’ve almost got it in both games. I’d love to see them win game 5 and take it back to Oklahoma… These games have been so exciting that I want to see more.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Look, officials are humans, right? There will be bad calls. If there are 10 bad calls in a game, it is very unlikely that they will be evenly distributed. Flip a coin 100 times and tell me how many times it lands heads. The odds of it coming up on either heads or tails 60 or more times are pretty damn high.
In one series, say there are 50 bad calls. By RANDOM LUCK we would expect to be not close to even because 50 just isn’t a big enough sample size for it to even out.
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Non-random sample brah.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Anyone else think Harden’s shittiness is due to him guarding LBJ? They are pounding it to LBJ in the post relentlessly and I think it is tiring him out. First off, Harden has never been a great defender, so I’m not sure why they are putting him on the best player on the planet, with the added challenge they even play different positions. He is getting beat to shit on D then being asked to play offense.
It’s not rocket science. Take Perkins out, leave Ibaka or Collison on Bosh, put KD on Battier to rest him, put Sefolosha on LBJ because he’s the best chance you have of slowing him down, and leave Harden on Wade.
Last officiating point - if you were watching both sides, there were some bad calls in OKC’s favor last night. Not as many, but there were some.[/quote]
Not even remotely. It’s a combination of things. He’s in his own head, the calls he’s been getting ALL SEASON are now going against him, he’s gun shy and is suffering from a serious case of the Nick Anderson’s. There was a play later in the fourth last night where he got an offensive board out on the wing, got to the right elbow, pumped fake for an eternity and bricked a wide open jumper. I knew it was off before it left his hand 'cause you could tell he didn’t want to shoot. He’s turned himself into a standstill shooter who doesn’t believe he can shoot. He needs to start attacking the basket. The problem is if you hit a Miami player you’ve got about an 80% chance of getting a charge. If Harden doesn’t pull it together they can’t beat the Miami Stern’s.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Can this be over so I can get back to my mundane real life
“at the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today.They have to get back to the real world at some point.”
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Oh cool we’re still talking about things that happened a year or more ago.[/quote]
Nah just me…still a reminder of why Lebron has changed his image from golden boy to villain, which is why even if he wins he will not be liked (for the most part) outside of Miami. I want him to win so the season could be over…[/quote]
If the general public no longer sees Jordan as a gambler and Kobe as a rapist(not saying he ever did it), maybe one day they’ll forget about “The Decision” and appreciate James for the player he is on the court. For a “villain” he hasn’t been very villainous. He’s actually been very humble all things considered.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
LOL… You know it’s bad when the announcers are consistently commenting on the biased officiating and bad calls against OKC.
Entertaining game so far! I hope it’s close down to the end…[/quote]
How anyone can watch this series and not see that the refs are CLEARLY influencing the outcome blows my mind. I had it wrong. Bad guys are gonna win this one so it adds to the drama when the good guys take it next year. Also, mark it down that Miami will be called a “team of destiny” or something equally cheesy after being down 2-1 against IND, 3-2 against BOS, etc… There reffing has been so atrocious I’m not sure I can watch game 5. David Stern handing Miami a championship is completely different than them earning one. This league is disgusting.[/quote]
Bad officiating is seen in every league and almost every single game. It is a part of the process you just have to live with it. BS calls go both ways.
Please do not try and blame the Heat being 3-1 against OKC on bad officiating.
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I’m not trying to blame them. I AM blaming them. Bad calls have not gone both ways. Miami is getting handed the most ridiculous shit I’ve ever seen. Again, players gotta play, but OKC is playing 5-on-8 out there. Even the fucking commentators saw it. It’s to the point where I can’t even take the NBA seriously anymore. It’s a fucking joke out there.[/quote]
God I was really hoping you wouldn’t weigh in.
They got some bad calls but if you watch the game WITHOUT deciding beforehand that you are going to carefully watch the officiating and see if MIA is getting favored… it was actually a really fun game to watch.
MIA played better than OKC did regardless of what any officials did.
Besides, whatever the fuck happened to your argument that the NBA is trying to build an OKC dynasty?[/quote]
They still are numbnuts. They’re building drama. Drama + rivalry + potential dynasties = BILLIONS. If you can’t see this, enjoy your fantasy world. Like him or not, James brings ratings, and ratings brings money. Having a bad guy vs good guy is Stern’s dream scenario, and he’s making it happen. Bad guy wins, more people tune in next time to see him lose. Pretty simple.
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As I’ve said, I don’t dispute that it would make them a lot of cash if it happened that way. What I dispute is that they secretly collaborate behind closed doors to try to make it that way. They may hope for it to happen sure, but it is my opinion they don’t intervene to make it happen.
I think refs get intimidated by superstars and even moreso by loud home crowds, because they are human and they are under just as much pressure as the players (especially in today’s day and age with social media and tons of camera angles… refs get villified for important bad calls). I just see refs as humans acting under pressure instead of unfeeling robots carrying out league mandates.
The main reason I don’t believe it? Because you could construct a narrative that supports a conspiracy theory for virtually any possible situation… so basically you are just choosing to believe something then searching for explanations. If you search hard enough you’ll find it.
Lakers get CP3 while Stern approves the trade? He’s building another Laker dynasty because they’re the NBA’s cash cow. NOH gets the first overall pick? He’s enticing a new owner. Brooklyn gets the first pick? He’s putting a dynasty in a lucrative market.
–My point is, you could construct a legit conspiracy theory for virtually every situation imagineable. You can spend your time thinking what Stern’s reasoning is for everything that happens, sucking up all your time thinking of different theories, or you could just watch the games and enjoy. There will always be a legit-sounding “reason” something happened, whether it’s really a conspiracy or not.
P.S. It still hasn’t been explained to me why, if Stern rigs shit for monetary purposes, he would let Brooklyn fall out of the top 3 of the draft and send their pick to Portland. It could swing them from a dynasty (top3 pick lands Dwight or convinces Deron to stay) to Bobcats-level horridness (Deron leaves, no draft pick, their best player is Brook Lopez).
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
LOL… You know it’s bad when the announcers are consistently commenting on the biased officiating and bad calls against OKC.
Entertaining game so far! I hope it’s close down to the end…[/quote]
How anyone can watch this series and not see that the refs are CLEARLY influencing the outcome blows my mind. I had it wrong. Bad guys are gonna win this one so it adds to the drama when the good guys take it next year. Also, mark it down that Miami will be called a “team of destiny” or something equally cheesy after being down 2-1 against IND, 3-2 against BOS, etc… There reffing has been so atrocious I’m not sure I can watch game 5. David Stern handing Miami a championship is completely different than them earning one. This league is disgusting.[/quote]
Bad officiating is seen in every league and almost every single game. It is a part of the process you just have to live with it. BS calls go both ways.
Please do not try and blame the Heat being 3-1 against OKC on bad officiating.
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I’m not trying to blame them. I AM blaming them. Bad calls have not gone both ways. Miami is getting handed the most ridiculous shit I’ve ever seen. Again, players gotta play, but OKC is playing 5-on-8 out there. Even the fucking commentators saw it. It’s to the point where I can’t even take the NBA seriously anymore. It’s a fucking joke out there.[/quote]
God I was really hoping you wouldn’t weigh in.
They got some bad calls but if you watch the game WITHOUT deciding beforehand that you are going to carefully watch the officiating and see if MIA is getting favored… it was actually a really fun game to watch.
MIA played better than OKC did regardless of what any officials did.
Besides, whatever the fuck happened to your argument that the NBA is trying to build an OKC dynasty?[/quote]
They still are numbnuts. They’re building drama. Drama + rivalry + potential dynasties = BILLIONS. If you can’t see this, enjoy your fantasy world. Like him or not, James brings ratings, and ratings brings money. Having a bad guy vs good guy is Stern’s dream scenario, and he’s making it happen. Bad guy wins, more people tune in next time to see him lose. Pretty simple.
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As I’ve said, I don’t dispute that it would make them a lot of cash if it happened that way. What I dispute is that they secretly collaborate behind closed doors to try to make it that way. They may hope for it to happen sure, but it is my opinion they don’t intervene to make it happen.
I think refs get intimidated by superstars and even moreso by loud home crowds, because they are human and they are under just as much pressure as the players (especially in today’s day and age with social media and tons of camera angles… refs get villified for important bad calls). I just see refs as humans acting under pressure instead of unfeeling robots carrying out league mandates.
The main reason I don’t believe it? Because you could construct a narrative that supports a conspiracy theory for virtually any possible situation… so basically you are just choosing to believe something then searching for explanations. If you search hard enough you’ll find it.
Lakers get CP3 while Stern approves the trade? He’s building another Laker dynasty because they’re the NBA’s cash cow. NOH gets the first overall pick? He’s enticing a new owner. Brooklyn gets the first pick? He’s putting a dynasty in a lucrative market.
–My point is, you could construct a legit conspiracy theory for virtually every situation imagineable. You can spend your time thinking what Stern’s reasoning is for everything that happens, sucking up all your time thinking of different theories, or you could just watch the games and enjoy. There will always be a legit-sounding “reason” something happened, whether it’s really a conspiracy or not.
P.S. It still hasn’t been explained to me why, if Stern rigs shit for monetary purposes, he would let Brooklyn fall out of the top 3 of the draft and send their pick to Portland. It could swing them from a dynasty (top3 pick lands Dwight or convinces Deron to stay) to Bobcats-level horridness (Deron leaves, no draft pick, their best player is Brook Lopez).
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Dude, you’re hopeless. Enjoy fantasyland.