BTW, I hope none of you Lin fans hated Tebow, because he is an NBA clone. A guy that came out of college and every scout said he didn’t have an ability to play, he wins a few games and his entire fan base is rabid about the guy despite underwhelming physical attributes for his position
So who is ready for more Jeremy Lin tonight?
BTW, all these Lin jokes have made me realize… anyone notice how OK it is to make racist asian jokes in our country compared to other forms of prejudicial jokes? Black people, homosexuals, etc.
edit: I’m not talking about the Forum, I mean jokes I’ve seen all over the internet… websites, twitter etc.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
BTW, all these Lin jokes have made me realize… anyone notice how OK it is to make racist asian jokes in our country compared to other forms of prejudicial jokes? Black people, homosexuals, etc.
edit: I’m not talking about the Forum, I mean jokes I’ve seen all over the internet… websites, twitter etc.[/quote]
I think it’s different though.
Blacks have a long history of hatred and being discriminated against in the US. Slavery, racial laws, etc. Some of this applies to Asians too, but most Asians are relatively new immigrants that were not subject to this treatment.
Homosexuals are seen as evil and immoral humans by the masses even today and still see their rights trampled.
Plus I generally find most black jokes to be more on the hateful side compared to other types.
What’s the worst you’ll hear about Asians… They’re good at math and can’t drive… oh no.
You don’t have churches preaching Asians are evil and immoral. You don’t have groups lobbying to prevent Asians from getting married. I I don’t understand why would you expect the same level of tolerance.
excuse the multiple posts
So here’s a pic of Lin post game last night.
@scj: Isn’t it possible to become a good shooter in the NBA just through pure hard work? I’m old, so my favorite examples would be Karl Malone (couldn’t shoot a lick when he got to the NBA) and Patrick Ewing. It’s only the babies that get the early big bucks like Dwight Howard who refuse to work on their game.
Athleticism is what you can’t teach, but it looks like Lin has that? “Basketball savvy” also.
(hate the whole NBA thing this year, haven’t watched any games, but will watch Knick games now if I get the chance, because I’m heavily on the bandwagon)
@therajraj: the left hand needs some photoshopping -stands out too much; funny though.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
BTW, I hope none of you Lin fans hated Tebow, because he is an NBA clone. A guy that came out of college and every scout said he didn’t have an ability to play, he wins a few games and his entire fan base is rabid about the guy despite underwhelming physical attributes for his position[/quote]
Did you just say Tebow has underwhelming physical attributes? He has the combine an record in the vert, is fast as shit for a qb and can take hits like a tight end.
Also, Lin is shooting 58% on fg’s and hasn’t missed an open jumper that I’ve seen. His jumper had NOTHING to do with him going undrafted. His lack of speed, athletic ability and inferior comp at and Ivy league school did.
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While I understand some may make the comparison, Tebow was a celebrated college athlete, Lin was a virtual unknown. Lin plays his position traditionally Tebow most certainly does not. Lin’s recent popularity has everything to do what he has done on the floor, Tebow was thrusted into the spotlight through the fans and media urging to do so, there was no urging on the fans part in NY. Religion also plays a part in Tebow’s popularity Lin’s ethnicity plays a part in his.
I understand the comparison on the surface, but when you really look at it there really is no comparison.
^ Lin is also a devout Christian
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[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
and once Anthony and Stoudemire are healthy, he’s gonna have a much harder time getting his shot.[/quote]
fixed that for ya
(Lin is also lucky that the Clippers aren’t on the schedule. One can easily envision CP just locking him down, just to prove a point)
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Just like DWill and John Wall right? Give the kid props, he’s already faced a top 3 PG and balled all over him. Chris Paul isn’t going to do anything that DWill can’t on defense.
The Knicks should start shopping Melo around. Amare + a good PG is a proven combination, Carmelo “All I do is Iso” Anthony is a ball stopping black hole who is going to ruin this team’s new found chemistry. If the Knicks could move Melo for Ray Allen + picks + filler or something with Memphis for Rudy Gay they could be a very dangerous team.[/quote]
Back up overstand - btwn CP and Deron, there’s only one perennial All-Defense guy. (ok, looks like they have an upcoming april LAC-NYK matchup. hmmmm)
Agreed on Anthony and that Lin deserves all the love he’s getting (58% FGs etc)
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[quote]scj119 wrote:
BTW, I hope none of you Lin fans hated Tebow, because he is an NBA clone. A guy that came out of college and every scout said he didn’t have an ability to play, he wins a few games and his entire fan base is rabid about the guy despite underwhelming physical attributes for his position[/quote]
C’mon they are only similar in the surprise factor. I don’t want to get into too much detail but Tebow had the worst passer rating in the NFL this past season. He did his damage in the 4th quarter leading the Broncos to several ‘miracle’ victories. Lin can actually ball - he can score and make plays for his teammates.
Tebow isn’t physically dis-advantaged, he’s dis-advantaged in his mechanical game. Lin is actually the opposite. He has very good court vision and a high basketball IQ. For the most part he looks like a vet out there (sans the TOs). It’s Lin’s physical attributes that put him in the position he was in before he came out of nowhere and shocked everyone.
And Lin is actually a pretty good athlete. He’s strong, has the ability to play 40 min a game and can beat you on the step. I know you’re not saying it scj but to say Lin can’t be successful in the league because he’s not as athletic as some other players, especially at his position is not true. Classic type PGs like Stockton, Nash and even Rubio don’t need to be able to play like Russell Westbrook. They need the ability to create opportunities for their team and score when needed.
Not to mention the fact there are successful players in the NBA who are limited athletically like Nowitzki and Zach Randolph
[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ Lin is also a devout Christian[/quote]
I understand this, but its not why he is popular…
BTW I hate Stephen A, hes such a dick
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Blacks have a long history of hatred and being discriminated against in the US. Slavery, racial laws, etc.
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See, this is what my friend said, I just don’t think that the fact asians were never slaves means its ok to make racist jokes.
You see that Jason Whitlock tweet? A nationally known columnist says “Some lucky lady in NY is gonna feel a couple inches of pain tonight” after a good game from Lin. Why is that acceptable?
OK, this is getting out of hand. Lin was 8-for-24 last night with 6 turnovers and he’s getting all the credit? I watched most of the 2nd half and all they did was force him to go left, and he couldn’t do it. That’s why he had like 4 points the entire half. And he’s fucking headlining the game stories today? Sigh.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
BTW, I hope none of you Lin fans hated Tebow, because he is an NBA clone. A guy that came out of college and every scout said he didn’t have an ability to play, he wins a few games and his entire fan base is rabid about the guy despite underwhelming physical attributes for his position[/quote]
Did you just say Tebow has underwhelming physical attributes? He has the combine an record in the vert, is fast as shit for a qb and can take hits like a tight end.
Also, Lin is shooting 58% on fg’s and hasn’t missed an open jumper that I’ve seen. His jumper had NOTHING to do with him going undrafted. His lack of speed, athletic ability and inferior comp at and Ivy league school did.[/quote]
Fair enough - Tebow is an athlete, I more meant that his inaccuracy was what caused him to fall in the draft, and it’s something that can’t be fixed so it’s like a physical failing - but the analogy isn’t a perfect match.
He’s shooting 58% because three quarters of his FGs are within 5 feet of the hoop, in this case FG% does not depict how well he can shoot from outside. He’s 4-for-23 from three in his career and he could never get NEAR 20ppg in college playing against ivy league point guards! Shit aint lasting.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Blacks have a long history of hatred and being discriminated against in the US. Slavery, racial laws, etc.
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See, this is what my friend said, I just don’t think that the fact asians were never slaves means its ok to make racist jokes.
You see that Jason Whitlock tweet? A nationally known columnist says “Some lucky lady in NY is gonna feel a couple inches of pain tonight” after a good game from Lin. Why is that acceptable?[/quote]
Actually I wouldn’t consider that acceptable, to me that’s pretty hateful.
Aside from the political climate as I mentioned earlier, we also draw arbitrary lines in the sand throughout society when required.
As a math major this concept may be foreign to you, so let me try to illustrate with an example.
The legal driving age here is 16. Why not 17? Why not 15? What specifically about the age of 16 makes it the right age to allow people to drive? The answer is it’s completely arbitrary and just “feels” right.
The same is true of why x is acceptable by society while y is not. I could crack jokes about the asian accent all day, but I would never make a comment about them being sexually inferior.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
OK, this is getting out of hand. Lin was 8-for-24 last night with 6 turnovers and he’s getting all the credit? I watched most of the 2nd half and all they did was force him to go left, and he couldn’t do it. That’s why he had like 4 points the entire half. And he’s fucking headlining the game stories today? Sigh.
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He had an excellent first half going 7-12 from FG range. I think the consistent playing times with back to backs caught up to him. You’re right about forcing him to go left but he also missed a few easy lay-ins because he didn’t have his legs under his shot.
Also he help sell out the largest crowd for the TWolves that year and it was like the 4th-5th (something like that) largest crowd ever for them.
The Knick commentators erroneously credited attendance to Rubio and Love with very little credit to Lin. In reality it was probably 80% Lin’s doing.