Also he only has 56 3PA on the year. Let’s see him shoot 40% for another 2 months before we decide he’s suddenly a better shooter (33% career)
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Bayless is in no way a crappy point guard. He’s definitely more of a combo, but when he gets minutes he puts up serious numbers. He also has one of the 5 best first steps in the league.[/quote]
He’s got no shot, and some times makes some very bad decisions with the ball.
I agree he has potential to be much better though.[/quote]
He’s shooting right at 40% from 3, but he does admittedly force some tough shots. He’s got “Russell Westbrookitis” in that he can get to the rim at will but settles for contested 15-17 footers way too often. There’s no reason a guy with his ability should be shooting under 40% on total fg’s[/quote]
Lol if shooting 40% from three gives him NO EXCUSE to be shooting 39% overall (as you said).
I didn’t say he doesn’t have potential, but at this point in time, he’s in his 4th season and averaging 11pts/3asts in 24mins/game on 39% shooting. At some point potential has to equal production.
Yeah he’s fast as shit, but it hasn’t added up yet.[/quote]
Not really
Last season was the first time he really received significant playing time. Before last year he was stuck behind an elite player, first Brandon Roy then Chris Paul.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Also he only has 56 3PA on the year. Let’s see him shoot 40% for another 2 months before we decide he’s suddenly a better shooter (33% career)[/quote]
He’s shooting 4 a game. 40% on 4 threes a game ain’t bad. And, as Raj said he’s been caught in a numbers game his whole career. He led the entire summer league in scoring (I know) his rookie year and every chance he’s had to start and get minutes he puts up pretty big numbers. The kid can play.
I dont expect expect Lin to keep dropping close to DD but I really do think he will continue to be effective. He had led the knicks to balanced scoring which is a feat in itself, and while he didnt face good teams (Utah is not a bad team however) he did face a top 5 pg in Williams a talented one in Wall and even harris is better than average. All this with abzolutley ZERO proven scorers around him.
From the small amount of games there is reason for optimism, the biggest of which is to get his teammates in good position to score, his ability to handle the ball and get to the basket.
When they play the lakers tomorrow again their starting 5 will be atrocious on paper, Lin, Fields, Jeffries, Chandler and Walker and he will still be effective and give the lakers some issues.
The real test is not if he will continue to drop off 20 and 7 it will be if he can continue his playmaking ability when the black hole in melo comes back…Im keeping my fingers crossed.
Honestly unless you just hate the Knicks there is no reason not to hope he does well.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I dont expect expect Lin to keep dropping close to DD but I really do think he will continue to be effective. He had led the knicks to balanced scoring which is a feat in itself, and while he didnt face good teams (Utah is not a bad team however) he did face a top 5 pg in Williams a talented one in Wall and even harris is better than average. All this with abzolutley ZERO proven scorers around him.
From the small amount of games there is reason for optimism, the biggest of which is to get his teammates in good position to score, his ability to handle the ball and get to the basket.
When they play the lakers tomorrow again their starting 5 will be atrocious on paper, Lin, Fields, Jeffries, Chandler and Walker and he will still be effective and give the lakers some issues.
The real test is not if he will continue to drop off 20 and 7 it will be if he can continue his playmaking ability when the black hole in melo comes back…Im keeping my fingers crossed.
Honestly unless you just hate the Knicks there is no reason not to hope he does well.[/quote]
EXACTLY. Even some sports commentators don’t seem to understand that he’s already a success because he’s led the Knicks to 3 straight wins without Melo or Amare. More importantly, he’s given the team and the fans new-found energy and enthusiasm. No one expected this guy to be anything but a filler while Melo and Amare recover from their injuries. He has come out of no where and played so well with little to no expectations.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Bayless is in no way a crappy point guard. He’s definitely more of a combo, but when he gets minutes he puts up serious numbers. He also has one of the 5 best first steps in the league.[/quote]
He’s got no shot, and some times makes some very bad decisions with the ball.
I agree he has potential to be much better though.[/quote]
Yep, guys like Bayless, you’re just waitin on them to take that next step
Sometimes it happens: McGrady, Shawn Kemp etc
Sometimes it dont happen: Baby Jordan, Derrick Coleman, remember Dermarr Johnson etc?
re: LAL at BOS
its disorienting to see these team colors and that homecourt…
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Bayless is in no way a crappy point guard. He’s definitely more of a combo, but when he gets minutes he puts up serious numbers. He also has one of the 5 best first steps in the league.[/quote]
He’s got no shot, and some times makes some very bad decisions with the ball.
I agree he has potential to be much better though.[/quote]
Yep, guys like Bayless, you’re just waitin on them to take that next step
Sometimes it happens: McGrady, Shawn Kemp etc
Sometimes it dont happen: Baby Jordan, Derrick Coleman, remember Dermarr Johnson etc?
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In all fairness, Miner got stuck on a team with a coach (Kevin Loughery) who was notoriously hard on young players and it killed his confidence, Coleman had a few years pf absolutely ridiculous numbers and Johnson had that car accident that pretty much derailed any chance he had of being an all-star. On the flip side, Miner let other things get in the way, Coleman was lazy as fuck and had a bad attitude and I was never really that impressed with Johnson’s game, though there were rumors that he was trying to enter the league after his JUNIOR year of highschool. Crazy thing about that to me is that he’s also from Ohio. I’ve heard several people say that Johnson is the best Highschool player they’ve ever seen. He just hit his ceiling early.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I dont expect expect Lin to keep dropping close to DD but I really do think he will continue to be effective. He had led the knicks to balanced scoring which is a feat in itself, and while he didnt face good teams (Utah is not a bad team however) he did face a top 5 pg in Williams a talented one in Wall and even harris is better than average. All this with abzolutley ZERO proven scorers around him.
From the small amount of games there is reason for optimism, the biggest of which is to get his teammates in good position to score, his ability to handle the ball and get to the basket.
When they play the lakers tomorrow again their starting 5 will be atrocious on paper, Lin, Fields, Jeffries, Chandler and Walker and he will still be effective and give the lakers some issues.
The real test is not if he will continue to drop off 20 and 7 it will be if he can continue his playmaking ability when the black hole in melo comes back…Im keeping my fingers crossed.
Honestly unless you just hate the Knicks there is no reason not to hope he does well.[/quote]
EXACTLY. Even some sports commentators don’t seem to understand that he’s already a success because he’s led the Knicks to 3 straight wins without Melo or Amare. More importantly, he’s given the team and the fans new-found energy and enthusiasm. No one expected this guy to be anything but a filler while Melo and Amare recover from their injuries. He has come out of no where and played so well with little to no expectations.
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If your standard for success is that low, then sure he is a success.
I and assuming the rest of us would require a high level of performance over a much longer period, say a couple months minimum.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I dont expect expect Lin to keep dropping close to DD but I really do think he will continue to be effective. He had led the knicks to balanced scoring which is a feat in itself, and while he didnt face good teams (Utah is not a bad team however) he did face a top 5 pg in Williams a talented one in Wall and even harris is better than average. All this with abzolutley ZERO proven scorers around him.
From the small amount of games there is reason for optimism, the biggest of which is to get his teammates in good position to score, his ability to handle the ball and get to the basket.
When they play the lakers tomorrow again their starting 5 will be atrocious on paper, Lin, Fields, Jeffries, Chandler and Walker and he will still be effective and give the lakers some issues.
The real test is not if he will continue to drop off 20 and 7 it will be if he can continue his playmaking ability when the black hole in melo comes back…Im keeping my fingers crossed.
Honestly unless you just hate the Knicks there is no reason not to hope he does well.[/quote]
EXACTLY. Even some sports commentators don’t seem to understand that he’s already a success because he’s led the Knicks to 3 straight wins without Melo or Amare. More importantly, he’s given the team and the fans new-found energy and enthusiasm. No one expected this guy to be anything but a filler while Melo and Amare recover from their injuries. He has come out of no where and played so well with little to no expectations.
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If your standard for success is that low, then sure he is a success.
I and assuming the rest of us would require a high level of performance over a much longer period, say a couple months minimum.[/quote]
We can still get excited about him. If you love sports you have to love this guy’s story. Went undrafted, cut from GS, cut from Houston, stuck in the D League. He gets one shot and he’s killing it. The guy doesn’t even have his own apartment, he’s sleeping on his brothers couch.
Well he’s a universal success up to this point isn’t he? Isn’t that all that matters?
Thats the point its a good story, and its easy to pull for the guy…as far as Raj’s negativity you have to consider the source…hes got a burning yankee hat as his avi for chrissakes, its obvious he is not a fan of NY teams and relishes in their struggles.
I take his opinion on this matter with a grain of salt. Even if he averaged 20 and 7 for the rest of the year, he would have something negative to say about him, if he was on the Raptors however it would be a different story.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I dont expect expect Lin to keep dropping close to DD but I really do think he will continue to be effective. He had led the knicks to balanced scoring which is a feat in itself, and while he didnt face good teams (Utah is not a bad team however) he did face a top 5 pg in Williams a talented one in Wall and even harris is better than average. All this with abzolutley ZERO proven scorers around him.
From the small amount of games there is reason for optimism, the biggest of which is to get his teammates in good position to score, his ability to handle the ball and get to the basket.
When they play the lakers tomorrow again their starting 5 will be atrocious on paper, Lin, Fields, Jeffries, Chandler and Walker and he will still be effective and give the lakers some issues.
The real test is not if he will continue to drop off 20 and 7 it will be if he can continue his playmaking ability when the black hole in melo comes back…Im keeping my fingers crossed.
Honestly unless you just hate the Knicks there is no reason not to hope he does well.[/quote]
EXACTLY. Even some sports commentators don’t seem to understand that he’s already a success because he’s led the Knicks to 3 straight wins without Melo or Amare. More importantly, he’s given the team and the fans new-found energy and enthusiasm. No one expected this guy to be anything but a filler while Melo and Amare recover from their injuries. He has come out of no where and played so well with little to no expectations.
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If your standard for success is that low, then sure he is a success.
I and assuming the rest of us would require a high level of performance over a much longer period, say a couple months minimum.[/quote]
We can still get excited about him. If you love sports you have to love this guy’s story. Went undrafted, cut from GS, cut from Houston, stuck in the D League. He gets one shot and he’s killing it. The guy doesn’t even have his own apartment, he’s sleeping on his brothers couch. [/quote]
Getting excited about him is not what I’m debating.
What I’m trying to say here is it’s too early to really make a call on how well this guy will plug in the for Knicks. He could continue this way or be waived in 3 weeks… and anything in between.
I don’t deny that it’s a good story, I’m just skeptical on him sustaining this performance based on 3 games.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Thats the point its a good story, and its easy to pull for the guy…as far as Raj’s negativity you have to consider the source…hes got a burning yankee hat as his avi for chrissakes, its obvious he is not a fan of NY teams and relishes in their struggles.
I take his opinion on this matter with a grain of salt. Even if he averaged 20 and 7 for the rest of the year, he would have something negative to say about him, if he was on the Raptors however it would be a different story.
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Being realistic =/= negativity
I don’t like Yankees or Knicks, but I still base my opinions on reality.
For instance If you check the MLB thread, I pointed out how little recognition CC Sabathia was given in the Cy Young and MVP ballots.
splashed with a bit of negativity as well, because you fail to recognize that the skill set he has shown, basically it doesn’t mean anything to you, when it should mean something when the team who has none of their top 2 scorers playing has somehow won 3 games in a row because of an unknown player. You couldn’t even give him credit for that, so while it may be reality its definitely got hint of haterade added to it.
It is too early to tell, this is true, but there is no denying the difference he has made in this small sample thus far.
On another note I wore my Charles Oakley Toronto Raptor Jersey to the gym today, I love that jersey
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Also he only has 56 3PA on the year. Let’s see him shoot 40% for another 2 months before we decide he’s suddenly a better shooter (33% career)[/quote]
He’s shooting 4 a game. 40% on 4 threes a game ain’t bad. And, as Raj said he’s been caught in a numbers game his whole career. He led the entire summer league in scoring (I know) his rookie year and every chance he’s had to start and get minutes he puts up pretty big numbers. The kid can play.[/quote]
Right but it’s easier to do that over 14 games than 60 is all I’m saying. Remember last year when after the first month or two everyone thought Derrick Rose had turned himself into a 40% 3pt shooter? He shot 40% in Nov/Dec on about 4attempts/game (just checked his splits on yahoo) and reverted to 30% for the remainder of the year, Jan-April.
I know you hate words like “sample size” but there really is validity to that argument at this point in the season.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I dont expect expect Lin to keep dropping close to DD but I really do think he will continue to be effective. He had led the knicks to balanced scoring which is a feat in itself, and while he didnt face good teams (Utah is not a bad team however) he did face a top 5 pg in Williams a talented one in Wall and even harris is better than average. All this with abzolutley ZERO proven scorers around him.
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Quick tangent: Wall is terrible defensively and, something I’ve been meaning to make it’s own post, Devin Harris is NOT an above average point guard. I have no idea what happened (an injury I’m forgetting?) but he has gone from good PG to worst-starting-PG-in-the-NBA faster than should be humanly possible. He’s averaging about 9pts/4asts in 26mins/game on 42% shooting (shooting 30% from three and taking nearly 3attempts/game!). I am astounded as to how he starts and gets minutes on a competent team.
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From the small amount of games there is reason for optimism, the biggest of which is to get his teammates in good position to score, his ability to handle the ball and get to the basket.
When they play the lakers tomorrow again their starting 5 will be atrocious on paper, Lin, Fields, Jeffries, Chandler and Walker and he will still be effective and give the lakers some issues.
The real test is not if he will continue to drop off 20 and 7 it will be if he can continue his playmaking ability when the black hole in melo comes back…Im keeping my fingers crossed.
Honestly unless you just hate the Knicks there is no reason not to hope he does well.[/quote]
I don’t hate the Knicks, however I hope he doesn’t do well because my ego doesn’t like it when I’m wrong on someone haha.
In all seriousness, it would be a pretty incredible story if he kept it up, I’m not denying that. And all he has to do is be better than Toney Douglass to help the Knicks.
Prediction: If Jeremy lin plays slightly above average or better from now until next year, China will vote him in as a starter in the all star game.
Dammit, now I gotta tune into a Knick game to see what all the hub-bub is about
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Dammit, now I gotta tune into a Knick game to see what all the hub-bub is about[/quote]
He’s got old-man game. Like he doesn’t blow by you but he has a lot of crafty moves and little fakes around the basket, and he can go up for a shot and instantly turn it into a lob or pass if someone contests.
I just think defenses will adjust and learn to keep him from penetrating since he isn’t a threat from outside.