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Nixing that trade makes no sense from a balance standpoint, nor from the standpoint of trying to help small market owners like they made such a big deal of during the lockout. It’s going to hurt NO more to have a disgruntled Paul there(rumor is that he has no plans to show up to any practices) than to let the trade go through, even if the Lakeshow was getting the best of it.
I heard an interview Odom him he sounded fucking suicidal, he thought he would spend the rest of his career with the Lakers, a little short sided if he really believed that one.
From Realgm
Dan Gilbert sent an email to David Stern, Adam Silver and several of his fellow owners to urge the NBA to block a proposed trade that would send Chris Paul to the Lakers.
The following is the email in its entirety:
Commissioner,
It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.
This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.
Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn?t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).
I just don?t see how we can allow this trade to happen.
I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise?.
Dan G.
Read more: Gilbert Email Urged NBA To Block Paul Trade - RealGM Wiretap
He’s making it sound like the Lakers made out like bandits, when in reality they gutted their front court to take a gamble on Chris Paul and a completely new offense. Running the triangle with an elite PG is a waste of talent, they would have to make significant changes with a lot less time than usual for things to mesh.
And the Hornets got some great pieces for a player who was going to leave in a year anyways. The only team that might have gotten hosed was the Rockets, but if they value Pau Gasol that highly, that’s their prerogative.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Everyone has them winning this upcoming season. [/quote]
And we saw how that worked out for them last season. Still have to play, and win, those final four games.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???
I am way more pissed about Stern revoking this trade than I was about the lockout.
This is a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE. Not a goddamn public fantasy league. You can’t just go vetoing trades because other owners don’t like it.
I hope the NBAPA and the involved teams all file antitrust lawsuits. This is about the most blatant form of collusion and conflict of interest that I can personally imagine. By law the teams are all separate businesses. Yet, they are all 1/29th owners of the Hornets.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I am way more pissed about Stern revoking this trade than I was about the lockout.
This is a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE. Not a goddamn public fantasy league. You can’t just go vetoing trades because other owners don’t like it.
I hope the NBAPA and the involved teams all file antitrust lawsuits. This is about the most blatant form of collusion and conflict of interest that I can personally imagine. By law the teams are all separate businesses. Yet, they are all 1/29th owners of the Hornets.[/quote]
its pretty unbelievable IMO.
On ESPN Radio they’re talking about how bad this looks for the league and that CP3 is already working on suing the league and that all the parties involved have started the appeal process.
Stern will be royally screwing New Orleans if he sticks with this trade veto. Paul will be gone at the end of this season and the team will be left with nothing. Through the trade they were getting 3 starters, a decent back up guard and a first round pick… now they’ll get nothing and lose Paul. How does that help the small market team?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I am way more pissed about Stern revoking this trade than I was about the lockout.
This is a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE. Not a goddamn public fantasy league. You can’t just go vetoing trades because other owners don’t like it.
I hope the NBAPA and the involved teams all file antitrust lawsuits. This is about the most blatant form of collusion and conflict of interest that I can personally imagine. By law the teams are all separate businesses. Yet, they are all 1/29th owners of the Hornets.[/quote]
its pretty unbelievable IMO.
On ESPN Radio they’re talking about how bad this looks for the league and that CP3 is already working on suing the league and that all the parties involved have started the appeal process.
Stern will be royally screwing New Orleans if he sticks with this trade veto. Paul will be gone at the end of this season and the team will be left with nothing. Through the trade they were getting 3 starters, a decent back up guard and a first round pick… now they’ll get nothing and lose Paul. How does that help the small market team? [/quote]
It doesn’t.
Did you see how this got started? Guess who (Dan Gilbert) was outraged at a star leaving, and sent an angry ranting letter to the owners/league that was shockingly filled with a lot of wrong information. According to what I read he is just flat wrong about a lot of the league rules (not understanding how luxury tax works and how it’s not the same thing as revenue sharing, among others).
Why would anyone ever sign in CLE to play for him?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I am way more pissed about Stern revoking this trade than I was about the lockout.
This is a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE. Not a goddamn public fantasy league. You can’t just go vetoing trades because other owners don’t like it.
I hope the NBAPA and the involved teams all file antitrust lawsuits. This is about the most blatant form of collusion and conflict of interest that I can personally imagine. By law the teams are all separate businesses. Yet, they are all 1/29th owners of the Hornets.[/quote]
its pretty unbelievable IMO.
On ESPN Radio they’re talking about how bad this looks for the l eague and that CP3 is already working on suing the league and that all the parties involved have started the appeal process.
Stern will be royally screwing New Orleans if he sticks with this trade veto. Paul will be gone at the end of this season and the team will be left with nothing. Through the trade they were getting 3 starters, a decent back up guard and a first round pick… now they’ll get nothing and lose Paul. How does that help the small market team? [/quote]
Chris Paul is still signed for 2 more seasons. He will become an UFA in 2013, they have plenty of time to trade him.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Why would anyone ever sign in CLE to play for him? [/quote]
People were asking the same thing about OKC - who the fuck would want to play in the middle of nowhere?
Build a winning team through the draft and frugal trades and big names will sign.
Has anything like this happened before? Honestly can’t ever remember Stern laying the hammer on a trade for no apparent reason. If it doesn’t work out, maybe this’ll light a fire under Gasol’s ass. Personally, I think it’s gonna wreck his and Odom’s confidence. They need to find a way to move 'em and get something in return, though honestl I don’t think Paul really helps.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Why would anyone ever sign in CLE to play for him? [/quote]
People were asking the same thing about OKC - who the fuck would want to play in the middle of nowhere?
Build a winning team through the draft and frugal trades and big names will sign.[/quote]
He’s not talking about the market, he’s taking about the batshit crazy owner.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I am way more pissed about Stern revoking this trade than I was about the lockout.
This is a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE. Not a goddamn public fantasy league. You can’t just go vetoing trades because other owners don’t like it.
I hope the NBAPA and the involved teams all file antitrust lawsuits. This is about the most blatant form of collusion and conflict of interest that I can personally imagine. By law the teams are all separate businesses. Yet, they are all 1/29th owners of the Hornets.[/quote]
its pretty unbelievable IMO.
On ESPN Radio they’re talking about how bad this looks for the l eague and that CP3 is already working on suing the league and that all the parties involved have started the appeal process.
Stern will be royally screwing New Orleans if he sticks with this trade veto. Paul will be gone at the end of this season and the team will be left with nothing. Through the trade they were getting 3 starters, a decent back up guard and a first round pick… now they’ll get nothing and lose Paul. How does that help the small market team? [/quote]
Chris Paul is still signed for 2 more seasons. He will become an UFA in 2013, they have plenty of time to trade him.
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Is this true? I was pretty certain he was unrestricted this summer.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Why would anyone ever sign in CLE to play for him? [/quote]
People were asking the same thing about OKC - who the fuck would want to play in the middle of nowhere?
Build a winning team through the draft and frugal trades and big names will sign.[/quote]
No, I mean because of Dan Gilbert the owner, not because of the location of the franchise.
He burned the best thing that ever happened to CLE on a fucking cross. Remember, players are not fans - they saw an owner who ran a public smear campaign against someone for choosing to sign elsewhere.
NOW he is basically saying in public that players should never have a right to choose where they play and are property of the owners.
Why would a player ever want to be his employee?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Has anything like this happened before? Honestly can’t ever remember Stern laying the hammer on a trade for no apparent reason. If it doesn’t work out, maybe this’ll light a fire under Gasol’s ass. Personally, I think it’s gonna wreck his and Odom’s confidence. They need to find a way to move 'em and get something in return, though honestl I don’t think Paul really helps.[/quote]
Yeah, I didn’t even think the trade made the Lakers better overall. CP3 is a great player but their frontcourt would be Bynum and no one else. That’s not enough depth with a healthy Bynum, let alone if he misses 30 games again. They would have to bring in Kwame Brown and Erick Dampier types on minimum salaries for their frontcourt, they had no cap room.
Not to mention CP3 did just have major knee surgery, and while he was great in the playoffs, he clearly was playing at 70% speed in the reg season, saving himself for the playoffs.
If they pulled off a Bynum for Dwight trade though, I would’ve loved it for them. DH/Paul are perfect compliments and they’d still have Kobe obviously. But that trade for CP3 was either going to be an unmitigated disaster (CP3’s knees give out, they have no one who can play PF or C) or a complete turnaround to dominance (CP3 stays healthy, swing a trade for Dwight). Amazingly interesting either way.
Poop.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Has anything like this happened before? Honestly can’t ever remember Stern laying the hammer on a trade for no apparent reason. If it doesn’t work out, maybe this’ll light a fire under Gasol’s ass. Personally, I think it’s gonna wreck his and Odom’s confidence. They need to find a way to move 'em and get something in return, though honestl I don’t think Paul really helps.[/quote]
Yeah, I didn’t even think the trade made the Lakers better overall. CP3 is a great player but their frontcourt would be Bynum and no one else. That’s not enough depth with a healthy Bynum, let alone if he misses 30 games again. They would have to bring in Kwame Brown and Erick Dampier types on minimum salaries for their frontcourt, they had no cap room.
Not to mention CP3 did just have major knee surgery, and while he was great in the playoffs, he clearly was playing at 70% speed in the reg season, saving himself for the playoffs.
If they pulled off a Bynum for Dwight trade though, I would’ve loved it for them. DH/Paul are perfect compliments and they’d still have Kobe obviously. But that trade for CP3 was either going to be an unmitigated disaster (CP3’s knees give out, they have no one who can play PF or C) or a complete turnaround to dominance (CP3 stays healthy, swing a trade for Dwight). Amazingly interesting either way.
Poop.[/quote]
Having a great pg obviously helps, but one of the fundamental rules of the game is you NEVER trade small for big. You can’t teach height, and giving up a 7’1" Gasol and 6’10" Odom for an injury prone 6-footer flat isn’t a great move. I’ve said since the middle of last year that they need to move Gasol [don’t think his heart is in it anymore], but I’m not sure who’s out there that they could swap straight up. And again, I don’t like Howard on the Lakers. Bryant would get frustrated by his boneheaded mistakes and indifference on what’s important. As pointed out, Howard would be a great 2nd man on a contender, but giving up what the Lakers would have to to get him would set them back I feel. It’s gonna be an interesting season.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I am way more pissed about Stern revoking this trade than I was about the lockout.
This is a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE. Not a goddamn public fantasy league. You can’t just go vetoing trades because other owners don’t like it.
I hope the NBAPA and the involved teams all file antitrust lawsuits. This is about the most blatant form of collusion and conflict of interest that I can personally imagine. By law the teams are all separate businesses. Yet, they are all 1/29th owners of the Hornets.[/quote]
its pretty unbelievable IMO.
On ESPN Radio they’re talking about how bad this looks for the l eague and that CP3 is already working on suing the league and that all the parties involved have started the appeal process.
Stern will be royally screwing New Orleans if he sticks with this trade veto. Paul will be gone at the end of this season and the team will be left with nothing. Through the trade they were getting 3 starters, a decent back up guard and a first round pick… now they’ll get nothing and lose Paul. How does that help the small market team? [/quote]
Chris Paul is still signed for 2 more seasons. He will become an UFA in 2013, they have plenty of time to trade him.
[/quote]
Is this true? I was pretty certain he was unrestricted this summer.[/quote]
its not true, raj doesnt know what he’s talking about.
chris paul can opt out of his contract and walk after this season… In July he’s gone (if not sooner)
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Has anything like this happened before? Honestly can’t ever remember Stern laying the hammer on a trade for no apparent reason. If it doesn’t work out, maybe this’ll light a fire under Gasol’s ass. Personally, I think it’s gonna wreck his and Odom’s confidence. They need to find a way to move 'em and get something in return, though honestl I don’t think Paul really helps.[/quote]
Yeah, I didn’t even think the trade made the Lakers better overall. CP3 is a great player but their frontcourt would be Bynum and no one else. That’s not enough depth with a healthy Bynum, let alone if he misses 30 games again. They would have to bring in Kwame Brown and Erick Dampier types on minimum salaries for their frontcourt, they had no cap room.
Not to mention CP3 did just have major knee surgery, and while he was great in the playoffs, he clearly was playing at 70% speed in the reg season, saving himself for the playoffs.
If they pulled off a Bynum for Dwight trade though, I would’ve loved it for them. DH/Paul are perfect compliments and they’d still have Kobe obviously. But that trade for CP3 was either going to be an unmitigated disaster (CP3’s knees give out, they have no one who can play PF or C) or a complete turnaround to dominance (CP3 stays healthy, swing a trade for Dwight). Amazingly interesting either way.
Poop.[/quote]
Having a great pg obviously helps, but one of the fundamental rules of the game is you NEVER trade small for big. You can’t teach height, and giving up a 7’1" Gasol and 6’10" Odom for an injury prone 6-footer flat isn’t a great move. I’ve said since the middle of last year that they need to move Gasol [don’t think his heart is in it anymore], but I’m not sure who’s out there that they could swap straight up. And again, I don’t like Howard on the Lakers. Bryant would get frustrated by his boneheaded mistakes and indifference on what’s important. As pointed out, Howard would be a great 2nd man on a contender, but giving up what the Lakers would have to to get him would set them back I feel. It’s gonna be an interesting season.[/quote]
Arguably the biggest advantage the Lakers have had over the last 5 years is their ridiculous amount of height/length with Odom/Gasol/Bynum, that trade turned a major strength into a major weakness.
CP3 though is incredible when healthy.
Again, whether it made them better or worse, it was an amazingly interesting 3-team trade for anyone who loves the sport of basketball as a whole. I actually loved that deal for HOU… they could’ve afforded Nene, had a Nene/Gasol frontcourt and been an actual contender again in the West.
Am I the only one who would’ve loved to watch Kobe fight CP3 for the ball in the backcourt?