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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Yes, I have heard a very good chance that Paul gets dealt simply because New Orleans is desperate for salary relief as their franchise is in real trouble financially.

Lee to Toronto would be an interesting trade. On one hand, he would be a great fit because he is one of the best rebounders in the league and that is Bargnani’s biggest weakness. He definitely fits in well as a 4 in a Phoenix-style system as he is athletic enough to run and doesn’t really need plays drawn up for him, he can scrounge for cuts to the baskets, alley-oops and offensive rebounds. Defensively though, they would be in trouble, as Bargnani is a general liability defensively and Lee is good as an athletic, off-the-ball help defender but not good defending guys with strong post games. I can’t stand McGrady; if I were Toronto I wouldn’t want any part of him or the salary he is going to want for what he provides.[/quote]

Not saying I think the Bosh/Lee deal goes down, just that I think it makes the most sense overall. I feel you on McGrady. He’s one of the most self serving ball players of all time. I absolutely can’t stand the guy. And, the Rockets trade for him indirectly ruined Steve Francis’ career. I just assumed he’d be in the package to match up the numbers if it were to go down. I could be wrong. Pretty sure he has a few years left on a monster deal that pays him 20+mil a season to sit his lazy ass on the bench and act injured while he collcts those checks. What a jerkoff.[/quote]

T-Mac’s contract is done now, which is the biggest reason why the Knicks have a lot of money to spend. This may anger you , lol, but I think he was the highest payed player last year at around 23 mill for the season.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Yes, I have heard a very good chance that Paul gets dealt simply because New Orleans is desperate for salary relief as their franchise is in real trouble financially.

Lee to Toronto would be an interesting trade. On one hand, he would be a great fit because he is one of the best rebounders in the league and that is Bargnani’s biggest weakness. He definitely fits in well as a 4 in a Phoenix-style system as he is athletic enough to run and doesn’t really need plays drawn up for him, he can scrounge for cuts to the baskets, alley-oops and offensive rebounds. Defensively though, they would be in trouble, as Bargnani is a general liability defensively and Lee is good as an athletic, off-the-ball help defender but not good defending guys with strong post games. I can’t stand McGrady; if I were Toronto I wouldn’t want any part of him or the salary he is going to want for what he provides.[/quote]

Not saying I think the Bosh/Lee deal goes down, just that I think it makes the most sense overall. I feel you on McGrady. He’s one of the most self serving ball players of all time. I absolutely can’t stand the guy. And, the Rockets trade for him indirectly ruined Steve Francis’ career. I just assumed he’d be in the package to match up the numbers if it were to go down. I could be wrong. Pretty sure he has a few years left on a monster deal that pays him 20+mil a season to sit his lazy ass on the bench and act injured while he collcts those checks. What a jerkoff.[/quote]

T-Mac’s contract is done now, which is the biggest reason why the Knicks have a lot of money to spend. This may anger you , lol, but I think he was the highest payed player last year at around 23 mill for the season.[/quote]

I didn’t know his contract was up, but vaguely remember hearing that he was the highest paid player last season. And yes that does anger me, haha. I could be wrong, but I really don’t see New York getting two big free agents. I think their best shot at getting someone is a sign and trade with Toronto and picking up some smaller pieces. They need to hold on to Bill Walker. He has a chance to be a really good player in the league.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Yes, I have heard a very good chance that Paul gets dealt simply because New Orleans is desperate for salary relief as their franchise is in real trouble financially.

Lee to Toronto would be an interesting trade. On one hand, he would be a great fit because he is one of the best rebounders in the league and that is Bargnani’s biggest weakness. He definitely fits in well as a 4 in a Phoenix-style system as he is athletic enough to run and doesn’t really need plays drawn up for him, he can scrounge for cuts to the baskets, alley-oops and offensive rebounds. Defensively though, they would be in trouble, as Bargnani is a general liability defensively and Lee is good as an athletic, off-the-ball help defender but not good defending guys with strong post games. I can’t stand McGrady; if I were Toronto I wouldn’t want any part of him or the salary he is going to want for what he provides.[/quote]

Not saying I think the Bosh/Lee deal goes down, just that I think it makes the most sense overall. I feel you on McGrady. He’s one of the most self serving ball players of all time. I absolutely can’t stand the guy. And, the Rockets trade for him indirectly ruined Steve Francis’ career. I just assumed he’d be in the package to match up the numbers if it were to go down. I could be wrong. Pretty sure he has a few years left on a monster deal that pays him 20+mil a season to sit his lazy ass on the bench and act injured while he collcts those checks. What a jerkoff.[/quote]

T-Mac’s contract is done now, which is the biggest reason why the Knicks have a lot of money to spend. This may anger you , lol, but I think he was the highest payed player last year at around 23 mill for the season.[/quote]

I didn’t know his contract was up, but vaguely remember hearing that he was the highest paid player last season. And yes that does anger me, haha. I could be wrong, but I really don’t see New York getting two big free agents. I think their best shot at getting someone is a sign and trade with Toronto and picking up some smaller pieces. They need to hold on to Bill Walker. He has a chance to be a really good player in the league.[/quote]

If they do get a sign and trade with TO for Bosh, and don’t have the opportunity to get a superstar, do you think they’d be interested in Hedo Turkoglu as well? The Raptors are looking to unload him and he might fit in well with a D’Antoni coached team.

The only issue is, Hedo fucked the fuck up in TO and he’s getting paid a lot [I think over 10 mill]. And his behaviour in the past year has been near Boozer-status. But New York is potentially in a position of having too much money and not enough good players on the market, so taking a risk with Hedo could be worth it, especially if the Raptors insist on packaging him in a deal with Bosh.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
And, the Rockets trade for him indirectly ruined Steve Francis’ career.[/quote]

That never sat well with me, but I am ridiculously biased there as a huge Maryland basketball fan.[/quote]

Dude, Steve Francis was the best thing to happen to the Rockets after Olajuwon left. Yeah he dribbled the air outta the ball, and yeah he took some bad shots, but the excitement he brought around here could not be measured. I really don’t like talking in “what-if’s”, especially in sports, but I really wish they had never traded for McGrady so we could’ve seen what he coulda been. RIP Steve Francis’ career.

the part at 1:00 and then again at like 1:55 was nasty… just nasty!

.greg.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
And, the Rockets trade for him indirectly ruined Steve Francis’ career.[/quote]

That never sat well with me, but I am ridiculously biased there as a huge Maryland basketball fan.[/quote]

Dude, Steve Francis was the best thing to happen to the Rockets after Olajuwon left. Yeah he dribbled the air outta the ball, and yeah he took some bad shots, but the excitement he brought around here could not be measured. I really don’t like talking in “what-if’s”, especially in sports, but I really wish they had never traded for McGrady so we could’ve seen what he coulda been. RIP Steve Francis’ career.

the part at 1:00 and then again at like 1:55 was nasty… just nasty!

.greg.[/quote]

Stevie Franchise!

He still had some life in him in Orlando, but they traded his running mate Cuttino Mobley(they started that season pretty good too, and then fell completely apart afterward). Then they just tanked it, traded Francis to NY with some other parts to offload contracts and hit up the lottery where they got Howard.

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he had a sick crossover and hesitation shot fake. he was making people look silly in that video

.greg.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
And, the Rockets trade for him indirectly ruined Steve Francis’ career.[/quote]

That never sat well with me, but I am ridiculously biased there as a huge Maryland basketball fan.[/quote]

Dude, Steve Francis was the best thing to happen to the Rockets after Olajuwon left. Yeah he dribbled the air outta the ball, and yeah he took some bad shots, but the excitement he brought around here could not be measured. I really don’t like talking in “what-if’s”, especially in sports, but I really wish they had never traded for McGrady so we could’ve seen what he coulda been. RIP Steve Francis’ career.

the part at 1:00 and then again at like 1:55 was nasty… just nasty!

.greg.[/quote]

Stevie Franchise!

He still had some life in him in Orlando, but they traded his running mate Cuttino Mobley(they started that season pretty good too, and then fell completely apart afterward). Then they just tanked it, traded Francis to NY with some other parts to offload contracts and hit up the lottery where they got Howard.[/quote]

He had 2 All-Star years with the Magic I believe. He also had the dunk of his career there. He got traded to New York, had to share time [and the ball] with Marbury, got injured and here we are. Also, there were rumors floating around Houston that Francis and Mobley were gay. When he got traded he and Mobley would wear one anothers arm band with the others jersey number. That weirded a lot of people out I guess… Anyway, here’s a Magic mix-

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Oh yeah Red, maybe I misunderstood what you wrote but Francis played with Howard.

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haha you guy brought up Steve Franchise, the original franchise player. I just love saying steve franchise over and over again. Back in the day he was he of my favorite players. Wasn’t there a saying about him and Marbury though, that you bring in Franchise/Starbury to destroy your franchise? LOL.

Steve Franchise bings back some memories of other players like Antoine Walker, Latrell Sprewell, Keith Van Horn, Cuttino Mobley, Bobby Jackson, Vlade Divac, Doug Christie. And older fellas like Bradley, Nick Van Exel, Tim Killer Crossover Hardaway. Larry Johnson, a young Robert Horry…etc… They don’t make players like that in the NBA no mo’.

Good memories…

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Who the fuck is Worldwide Wes?

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Who the fuck is Worldwide Wes?
[/quote]

Read up:

He’s one of the most influential, albeit mysterious, friends of the NBA’s top athletes.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Yes, I have heard a very good chance that Paul gets dealt simply because New Orleans is desperate for salary relief as their franchise is in real trouble financially.

Lee to Toronto would be an interesting trade. On one hand, he would be a great fit because he is one of the best rebounders in the league and that is Bargnani’s biggest weakness. He definitely fits in well as a 4 in a Phoenix-style system as he is athletic enough to run and doesn’t really need plays drawn up for him, he can scrounge for cuts to the baskets, alley-oops and offensive rebounds. Defensively though, they would be in trouble, as Bargnani is a general liability defensively and Lee is good as an athletic, off-the-ball help defender but not good defending guys with strong post games. I can’t stand McGrady; if I were Toronto I wouldn’t want any part of him or the salary he is going to want for what he provides.[/quote]

Not saying I think the Bosh/Lee deal goes down, just that I think it makes the most sense overall. I feel you on McGrady. He’s one of the most self serving ball players of all time. I absolutely can’t stand the guy. And, the Rockets trade for him indirectly ruined Steve Francis’ career. I just assumed he’d be in the package to match up the numbers if it were to go down. I could be wrong. Pretty sure he has a few years left on a monster deal that pays him 20+mil a season to sit his lazy ass on the bench and act injured while he collcts those checks. What a jerkoff.[/quote]

T-Mac’s contract is done now, which is the biggest reason why the Knicks have a lot of money to spend. This may anger you , lol, but I think he was the highest payed player last year at around 23 mill for the season.[/quote]

I didn’t know his contract was up, but vaguely remember hearing that he was the highest paid player last season. And yes that does anger me, haha. I could be wrong, but I really don’t see New York getting two big free agents. I think their best shot at getting someone is a sign and trade with Toronto and picking up some smaller pieces. They need to hold on to Bill Walker. He has a chance to be a really good player in the league.[/quote]

If they do get a sign and trade with TO for Bosh, and don’t have the opportunity to get a superstar, do you think they’d be interested in Hedo Turkoglu as well? The Raptors are looking to unload him and he might fit in well with a D’Antoni coached team.

The only issue is, Hedo fucked the fuck up in TO and he’s getting paid a lot [I think over 10 mill]. And his behaviour in the past year has been near Boozer-status. But New York is potentially in a position of having too much money and not enough good players on the market, so taking a risk with Hedo could be worth it, especially if the Raptors insist on packaging him in a deal with Bosh.[/quote]

You know man, I think if they were to add Turkoglu [sp?] as a “throw in” to make the numbers match up they’d be ok with that. At best he’s a guy who can make plays and really help a team. At worst he’s a guy who can make plays and help a team, just not on a consistent basis. I think he didn’t really like TO the way he thought he would when signing and his play reflected that. Up until this past season he’s been a guy who’s produced when given the chance. Pretty sure he’s still fairly young, so there’s no reason to think that last year wasn’t a fluke. With that, I think New York is beyond help this season outside of making some big moves, and I’m not sure any of the big dogs want to go there. So even if they did get Bosh and Turkoglu, they’d still be the same old Knicks.

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WTF was Ron Jeremy, uh, I mean Stan Van Gundy thinking when he let go of Hedo. Stupid organization down there in Florida.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Oh yeah Red, maybe I misunderstood what you wrote but Francis played with Howard.[/quote]

Nope just some fuzzy memories on my part, I thought the Francis trade to NY was the year Orlando landed Howard in the lottery, but he actually got there they year Howard was drafted.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
If they do get a sign and trade with TO for Bosh, and don’t have the opportunity to get a superstar, do you think they’d be interested in Hedo Turkoglu as well? The Raptors are looking to unload him and he might fit in well with a D’Antoni coached team.

The only issue is, Hedo fucked the fuck up in TO and he’s getting paid a lot [I think over 10 mill]. And his behaviour in the past year has been near Boozer-status. But New York is potentially in a position of having too much money and not enough good players on the market, so taking a risk with Hedo could be worth it, especially if the Raptors insist on packaging him in a deal with Bosh.[/quote]

You know man, I think if they were to add Turkoglu [sp?] as a “throw in” to make the numbers match up they’d be ok with that. At best he’s a guy who can make plays and really help a team. At worst he’s a guy who can make plays and help a team, just not on a consistent basis. I think he didn’t really like TO the way he thought he would when signing and his play reflected that. Up until this past season he’s been a guy who’s produced when given the chance. Pretty sure he’s still fairly young, so there’s no reason to think that last year wasn’t a fluke. With that, I think New York is beyond help this season outside of making some big moves, and I’m not sure any of the big dogs want to go there. So even if they did get Bosh and Turkoglu, they’d still be the same old Knicks.[/quote]

Yeah, I’m thinking the last season was an anomaly for Hedo. New York’s big problem is that a huge part of their having so much free cash right now is that they have maybe 4 players on contract to play next year [none good, and one of them is Eddie Curry]. Miami and New Jersey are in similar positions, but they all have expiring contracts on decent players that may want to resign with them anyway [NJ has Devin Harris as well, who seems like the PG LeBron’s always needed]. NY doesn’t even have that. So Bosh+Hedo to NY in a sign and trade could work, as long as NY could sign someone to trade to TO. Eddie Curry’s expiring contract could be in it, they’d just need another good player or two lesser ones to sign.

Even with the potential a big market like NY could lend to LeBron’s revenue streams that fact that he’d probably lose there would hurt him in the long run.

NY Knicks’ contracted players for next year: NBA Player Salaries | HoopsHype

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

Yeah, I’m thinking the last season was an anomaly for Hedo. New York’s big problem is that a huge part of their having so much free cash right now is that they have maybe 4 players on contract to play next year [none good, and one of them is Eddie Curry]. Miami and New Jersey are in similar positions, but they all have expiring contracts on decent players that may want to resign with them anyway [NJ has Devin Harris as well, who seems like the PG LeBron’s always needed]. NY doesn’t even have that. So Bosh+Hedo to NY in a sign and trade could work, as long as NY could sign someone to trade to TO. Eddie Curry’s expiring contract could be in it, they’d just need another good player or two lesser ones to sign.

Even with the potential a big market like NY could lend to LeBron’s revenue streams that fact that he’d probably lose there would hurt him in the long run.

NY Knicks’ contracted players for next year: NBA Salaries | HoopsHype

NY has a good team on paper, or at least some good pieces. The problem is they just don’t seem to fit ttogether. They’re like a car with the body of a Benz, but the engine’s from a lawnmower and the wheels belong to a bicycle. And, I don’t think there’s any interest in Eddy Curry. The dude has talent but he has absolutely zero passion for the game and his salary is absurd. I’m not sure if it’s the organization up there or what, but for the last several years New York’s basically been the place where old or injured superstars go to die. to top that off the pressure to play there is damn near unlike anywhere else. Any big name that signs there will be expected to turn things around, and if it doesn’t happen he’ll be crucified by the fans and media. As strange as this sounds, New Jersey would be a much better potential destination. Virtually all of the same marketing oppertunities due to location with almost none of the media induced pressure due to their perpetual sucking. They’ve got a really good new coach, some talented young players and a system that [on paper at least] is both fun and effective. They also have a new owner who seems committed to fielding a winning team and money to burn. I’d be really surprised if NJ doesn’t sign some big pieces this off-season.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

Yeah, I’m thinking the last season was an anomaly for Hedo. New York’s big problem is that a huge part of their having so much free cash right now is that they have maybe 4 players on contract to play next year [none good, and one of them is Eddie Curry]. Miami and New Jersey are in similar positions, but they all have expiring contracts on decent players that may want to resign with them anyway [NJ has Devin Harris as well, who seems like the PG LeBron’s always needed]. NY doesn’t even have that. So Bosh+Hedo to NY in a sign and trade could work, as long as NY could sign someone to trade to TO. Eddie Curry’s expiring contract could be in it, they’d just need another good player or two lesser ones to sign.

Even with the potential a big market like NY could lend to LeBron’s revenue streams that fact that he’d probably lose there would hurt him in the long run.

NY Knicks’ contracted players for next year: NBA Salaries | HoopsHype

NY has a good team on paper, or at least some good pieces. The problem is they just don’t seem to fit ttogether. They’re like a car with the body of a Benz, but the engine’s from a lawnmower and the wheels belong to a bicycle. And, I don’t think there’s any interest in Eddy Curry. The dude has talent but he has absolutely zero passion for the game and his salary is absurd. I’m not sure if it’s the organization up there or what, but for the last several years New York’s basically been the place where old or injured superstars go to die. to top that off the pressure to play there is damn near unlike anywhere else. Any big name that signs there will be expected to turn things around, and if it doesn’t happen he’ll be crucified by the fans and media. As strange as this sounds, New Jersey would be a much better potential destination. Virtually all of the same marketing oppertunities due to location with almost none of the media induced pressure due to their perpetual sucking. They’ve got a really good new coach, some talented young players and a system that [on paper at least] is both fun and effective. They also have a new owner who seems committed to fielding a winning team and money to burn. I’d be really surprised if NJ doesn’t sign some big pieces this off-season.[/quote]

I meant Eddie Curry would be attractive to the Raptors because of his expiring contract. To my knowledge he stopped playing after his heart issues [and he’s apparently gone broke I hear]. If Bosh is adamant about leaving, that pretty much forces the Raps to go back to rebuilding mode, unless they can lure a Joe Johnson or a Stoudemaire. But I think that’s pretty much impossible, from what I’ve noticed no one wants to play here except international players who like a multicultural place like TO [with a very multicultural team, too]. Or players who started here, like Bosh and VC…but then even they end up wanting to leave.

I agree that overall NJ/Brooklyn Nets would be much better for LBJ than the Knicks. The Net’s will never overtake the Knicks in terms of popularity in that area, but the market is large enough that being #2 would still be a great scenario. And there’d be NO pressure for LBJ, as opposed to unreal pressure from Knicks fans.

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Kinda sucks for Toronto man. If Bosh leaves [and it’s pretty clear that he will] they might wind up relocating, just like the Grizz. Players are scared of signing with TO 'cause they hear about Canadian taxes and think their money’s gonna get cut in half. Read an interview with Bosh where he addressed this and said that’s not how it works and players need to educate themselves, but it doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen. Guess we’ll see how this plays out over the next few years.

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I’ve read more about Toronto Raptor trade scenarios than I ever cared to in my entire life. Who the heck cares about Toronto anyways?!? :slight_smile:

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[quote]randman wrote:
I’ve read more about Toronto Raptor trade scenarios than I ever cared to in my entire life. Who the heck cares about Toronto anyways?!? :)[/quote]

Was watching NBA TV last night and they had the T-Wolves GM on. He was talking about how crazy the NBA is right now, and how it’s never been anywhere near this jumbled. He also said they were shopping Al Jefferson and wanted to Darko Milicic as their center piece in the post. No wonder they keep winding up in the lottery. They did get Martell Webster though, and I think he’ll surprise a lot of people with his play if given minutes.