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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^What if Bosh just decides he’s gonna walk away. Maybe they’d do a sign and trade for Bynum so that at least they’d get something in return. And not just lose Bosh as a free agent?

DISCLAIMER: (I dont know about Bosh’s contract or if he’s in a players option or free agent status right now so my post could be completely off)

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Bosh is opting out of his current deal to be a free agent this summer. I believe he stands to make the most money by resigning with TO in a sign and trade, as they can legally give him more money than a new team could. With the sign and trade, he gets more money, gets to play elsewhere. and the Raptors get something in return.

It was reported that he told the Raps the teams he wanted to play for were: Bulls, Knicks, Heat, Lakers, and Raptors. So the Raptors have a lot of room to sign and trade him to a lot of teams.

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Ahhh I see. Yeah I saw his list of teams he wanted to play for a while back. Honestly I dont really know why Knicks and Raptors are on there… Well I do but I think he’d be much better off (possibilities of winning a championship wise) by going Lakers, Heat, Bulls, Knicks (assuming they can get another star this off season) and then lastly Raptors

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[quote]randman wrote:
Jtrinsey, I haven’t addressed all of ur points cuz I’ve been typing on an iPhone the last 2 days while traveling. That being said, ur last post was the most comprehensive and logical one you’ve put together and I disagree with little.[/quote]

Damnit man, call me an idiot so we can keep e-penis waving!

As far as Bosh to Toronto goes; yeah that deal would not be great for Toronto, but they are stuck in a hard place. Bosh is likely to walk no matter what. I’d imagine they would also be able to get at least one 1st-round pick from the Lakers. The Lakers don’t particularly care about their picks because their lineup is so packed that those guys won’t get playing time and they have definitely preferred veterans over young guys.

Bynum would not fit well with the Colangelo vision, but he would be an interesting combination with Bargnani. Bargnani’s a good young player, who doesn’t need to be on the block at all times, but can be bullied by bigger, stronger centers. Bynum, Bargnani, Hedo, DeRozan, and Calderon would work together brilliantly on the offensive end, but that’s much more of a half-court team than a Phoenix Suns 2.0. In a way, it’s almost creating a poor man’s version of that Magic team that went to the Finals, at least in the way that offensively they would have some really versatile players and some guys that can shoot the hell out of the ball.

It wouldn’t be a total disaster for Toronto; they are going to get 50 cents on the dollar for Bosh whether they like it or not.

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I remember thinking about this earlier, but theres just NO WAY Bosh is getting sign and traded for Bynum. I know Bosh considers LA one of his top 5 teams to play for, but theres nothing in it for the Raptors.

-Bynum is locked up for a few years at a salary that is too much considering what he brings to the table. If he developed into a 20-10 guy his salary would be fair, but that could take a couple of years if it happens at all. His contract may end by then. Yes his big body (pause) brings intangibles that the stats dont show. But (if youre the Lakers) try to negotiate with that as a major attraction.

-Bynum does NOT fit into the kind of team Raptors President and GM Brian Colangelo wants to build. If you want a good idea of what kind of team Brian wants, think of his old team the Phoenix Suns. Bynum doesn`t work in that.

-Bynums injury problems. Bosh has gotten injured too, but nothing serious. With Bynums contract and injury problems I dont see why anyone would want him to be honest.

-Bosh is way better than Bynum. The Lakers would have to throw someone in, and the Lakers wont put anyone good enough into the deal. Well, maybe Fisher, who would fit in with the Raptors team.

That said, what does everyone think of the Lakers trading Odom and another player for Bosh in a sign and trade? Odom and Fisher for Bosh could work, although combined they donâ??t earn as much as Bosh will. Then again a lot of trades donâ??t balance financially. I donâ??t know what Odom bring to the Lakers as well as others on here, but my take is Bosh would be better for them anyway. The Raptors get a quick versatile â??sort of big manâ?? in Odom, and a good shooter and defender in Fish. Both fit into the Raotors team Colangelo is trying to build.

Itâ??d be unpopular to sign and trade Fish when heâ??s so loved by the fans, but this has happened before in sports. Also, many people are saying the Raps are in rebuilding mode, so Odom and a resigned Fish don`t make sense, but maybe Colangelo will try to make a decent team for next year, as the pressure starting come down on him in TO.

what is it with all these radical moves for the Lakers? Did they just win the last 2 championships or not? I’m all for getting better but not completely blowing up a part of your roster to get one all star type player when you just won the last 2 championships. Lamar is a critical piece u just resigned for 3 years an Fish is til a very effective leader for the Lake Show. I hate the idea.

If the Lakers get Raja Bell (a guard) that’s all they really need. Fish can’t keep playing starter minutes, Farmar is gone and Brown can’t fill that starter role effectively. Even if Bynum is on again off again with injuries, this team can still win championships because they have so much length. Why monkey with this formula drastically? It makes no sense.

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
It wouldn’t be a total disaster for Toronto; they are going to get 50 cents on the dollar for Bosh whether they like it or not.
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Yeah I agree. They’re never going to get equal value for him they just have to try to get the best they can (if they cant resign him themselves)

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Damn Lakers must be way over the luxury tax cap. Fuck theres no way they should be able to get anymore positive yielding ‘investments’ like we saw with Gasol. The only scenario where anyone like Raja Bell would go to LA is if some Lakers took a pay cut. Knowing NBA players I really doubt that (maybe Fisher).

I think Turkoglu, who wants to get out of Toronto after a lack luster year should go back to San Antonio. Maybe the Spurs deal Parker there for Turk, although I don’t know if Mrs Lonoria-Parker would be happy living north of the border.

Haha on another note The Machine is the man. Dude hit two big shots at the end of game 7 and hes dating Maria Sharapova. Not bad…

I think Phil Jackson and Kobe like him so he might not go anywhere next year. Take that Randman!.

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^^Odom and Artest both took less money than they could have made other places to play for the Lakers so its definitely not impossible to comprehend

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Don’t get the wrong impression that the Lakers are immune to losing in the West. I want to see how good they are when they don’t have home court.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Odom and Artest both took less money than they could have made other places to play for the Lakers so its definitely not impossible to comprehend

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LOL maybe thats why they played like shit for most of the season.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Damn Lakers must be way over the luxury tax cap. Fuck theres no way they should be able to get anymore positive yielding ‘investments’ like we saw with Gasol. The only scenario where anyone like Raja Bell would go to LA is if some Lakers took a pay cut. Knowing NBA players I really doubt that (maybe Fisher).

I think Turkoglu, who wants to get out of Toronto after a lack luster year should go back to San Antonio. Maybe the Spurs deal Parker there for Turk, although I don’t know if Mrs Lonoria-Parker would be happy living north of the border.

Haha on another note The Machine is the man. Dude hit two big shots at the end of game 7 and hes dating Maria Sharapova. Not bad…

I think Phil Jackson and Kobe like him so he might not go anywhere next year. Take that Randman!. [/quote]

Fisher will take less (he’s making $5 mil right now and will probably make between $2 and $3 next year). The Lakers will clear another $5 million between Farmar and Fisher and if Raja follows Ron Artest’s lead, he may be willing to take a little less to win a championship. Actually, it doesn’t matter. That’s $7 mil freed up right there and Raja Bell made $5.2 mil last year. This is easily doable.

And I may regret saying this, but the Machine kinda redeemed himself in my eyes with a few timely threes in the last few games of the finals and hit those two critical free throws to ice the game in game 7.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Don’t get the wrong impression that the Lakers are immune to losing in the West. I want to see how good they are when they don’t have home court.[/quote]

I will easily predict that the Lakers will win the west next season as well so I can’t tell you how they will perform when they don’t have home court unless it’s in the finals against an east coast team that comes in with a better record.

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Hope another team wins the championship next year. I will be especially rooting for LeBron’s team, whoever that may be.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Hope another team wins the championship next year. I will be especially rooting for LeBron’s team, whoever that may be.[/quote]

Kobe says “we’re looking forward to beat Lebron’s team next so I can get my 6th ring and tie MJ and drive drewh nucking futs”

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Hope another team wins the championship next year. I will be especially rooting for LeBron’s team, whoever that may be.[/quote]

Kobe says “we’re looking forward to beat Lebron’s team next so I can get my 6th ring and tie MJ and drive drewh nucking futs”[/quote]

Who’s drewh? There is no drewh on these boards…

:wink:

But serially, it doesn’t look like any team will be strong contender to the Lakers next year. Of course, free agency might change that very quickly.

I do wonder how the Thunder will do next year. They and their stars improved a ton last year and gave the Lakers quite a fight. Theoretically, they are a young team that should be even better next year, which means they would be contenders. But I just don’t see it lol.

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[quote]lavi wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Hope another team wins the championship next year. I will be especially rooting for LeBron’s team, whoever that may be.[/quote]

Kobe says “we’re looking forward to beat Lebron’s team next so I can get my 6th ring and tie MJ and drive drewh nucking futs”[/quote]

Who’s drewh? There is no drewh on these boards…

:wink:

But serially, it doesn’t look like any team will be strong contender to the Lakers next year. Of course, free agency might change that very quickly.

I do wonder how the Thunder will do next year. They and their stars improved a ton last year and gave the Lakers quite a fight. Theoretically, they are a young team that should be even better next year, which means they would be contenders. But I just don’t see it lol.[/quote]

he means “the troll formerly known as drewh”

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Man, like I said in the last thread there is NO WAY Bosh goes to the Lakers. The best I can assume is it’s just posturing on his part. He’s already said he doesn’t want to play second fiddle, and if he goes to the Lakers he gets to play 3rd fiddle while playing the same position as Gasol.

Yes they’d slide one of them over to the 5 if it were to happen, but even in a center depleted NBA neither of those guys are big enough to consistently hold position down low against some of the leagues wooly mammoths. Also, as someone else said it just wouldn’t make a lot of sense for Toronto.

Really, the most sense right now is some kind of sign and trade swap with the Knicks for David Lee [who’s also a FA] and Tracy McGrady so he can finsih his career where he started. Obviously there’d be some smaller pieces involved, but that should get the books to match up. Also, did y’all hear that Chris Paul has said that he’s open to a trade if NO can’t prove to him they’re committed to winning? If he does end up going somewhere before the FA market opens you can be damn sure a lot of people will be looking at that team [provided they have cap space].

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Yes, I have heard a very good chance that Paul gets dealt simply because New Orleans is desperate for salary relief as their franchise is in real trouble financially.

Lee to Toronto would be an interesting trade. On one hand, he would be a great fit because he is one of the best rebounders in the league and that is Bargnani’s biggest weakness. He definitely fits in well as a 4 in a Phoenix-style system as he is athletic enough to run and doesn’t really need plays drawn up for him, he can scrounge for cuts to the baskets, alley-oops and offensive rebounds. Defensively though, they would be in trouble, as Bargnani is a general liability defensively and Lee is good as an athletic, off-the-ball help defender but not good defending guys with strong post games. I can’t stand McGrady; if I were Toronto I wouldn’t want any part of him or the salary he is going to want for what he provides.

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Yes, I have heard a very good chance that Paul gets dealt simply because New Orleans is desperate for salary relief as their franchise is in real trouble financially.

Lee to Toronto would be an interesting trade. On one hand, he would be a great fit because he is one of the best rebounders in the league and that is Bargnani’s biggest weakness. He definitely fits in well as a 4 in a Phoenix-style system as he is athletic enough to run and doesn’t really need plays drawn up for him, he can scrounge for cuts to the baskets, alley-oops and offensive rebounds. Defensively though, they would be in trouble, as Bargnani is a general liability defensively and Lee is good as an athletic, off-the-ball help defender but not good defending guys with strong post games. I can’t stand McGrady; if I were Toronto I wouldn’t want any part of him or the salary he is going to want for what he provides.[/quote]

Not saying I think the Bosh/Lee deal goes down, just that I think it makes the most sense overall. I feel you on McGrady. He’s one of the most self serving ball players of all time. I absolutely can’t stand the guy. And, the Rockets trade for him indirectly ruined Steve Francis’ career. I just assumed he’d be in the package to match up the numbers if it were to go down. I could be wrong. Pretty sure he has a few years left on a monster deal that pays him 20+mil a season to sit his lazy ass on the bench and act injured while he collcts those checks. What a jerkoff.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
And, the Rockets trade for him indirectly ruined Steve Francis’ career.[/quote]

That never sat well with me, but I am ridiculously biased there as a huge Maryland basketball fan.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
And, the Rockets trade for him indirectly ruined Steve Francis’ career.[/quote]

That never sat well with me, but I am ridiculously biased there as a huge Maryland basketball fan.[/quote]

Dude, Steve Francis was the best thing to happen to the Rockets after Olajuwon left. Yeah he dribbled the air outta the ball, and yeah he took some bad shots, but the excitement he brought around here could not be measured. I really don’t like talking in “what-if’s”, especially in sports, but I really wish they had never traded for McGrady so we could’ve seen what he coulda been. RIP Steve Francis’ career.