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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
All of them, KG, Allen and Pierce, toiled with their respective teams in an effort to win. If you see it any other way, you’re just obtuse.[/quote]

LOL, you say this like Lebron wasn’t “toiling” for Cleveland the past 7 years. Was he sipping pina coladas and playing Harlem Globtrotters exhibitions while refusing to don a Cavs jersey? From a basketball perspective, what James did was almost identical to what Garnett did. He sacrificed being “the man” on a weaker team in order to have a better chance at winning a title. Garnett was universally praised for his decision, Lebron is universally criticized.

The difference is only because of their personalities and the way they handled it. Garnett carried himself with class and thanked the fans and obviously agonized over leaving his team. Lebron… not so much.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
I find it hard to believe Bosh/James/Wade were conspiring when they signed extensions with their previous teams. They wanted to sign big contracts just before the new CBA kicks in.[/quote]

Yeah, pretty sure Bosh wasn’t even on the team in 2004 anyway.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
I find it hard to believe Bosh/James/Wade were conspiring when they signed extensions with their previous teams. They wanted to sign big contracts just before the new CBA kicks in.[/quote]

Some people have been saying they’ve conspiring this plan since they all got drafted in 2003, and Chris Paul was added to the mix in 2008 on the Olympic team to try to get all four guys to play on the same team.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Just want to say I really enjoy all the NBA banter going on here since the playoffs. We all may not agree with each other all the time, but it’s good to disagree for the sake of talking shop.[/quote]

Agreed. It’s been cool to shoot the shit about ball with y’all these past couple of months.[/quote]

I disagree.

I hate all of you. >:(

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Just want to say I really enjoy all the NBA banter going on here since the playoffs. We all may not agree with each other all the time, but it’s good to disagree for the sake of talking shop.[/quote]

Agreed. It’s been cool to shoot the shit about ball with y’all these past couple of months.[/quote]

I disagree.

I hate all of you. >:([/quote]

We love you too ma’am.

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Regarding Bosh: No he definitely wasn’t a franchise player, or at least an ideal one. No front office guy in the NBA thinks he’s a guy to build your team around. He knows it, too. I was telling all of you guys not to take it seriously that he said he was a centre-piece. That said it was pretty obvious that any place where he was the second [or third] best player is obviously a championship caliber team. He’s like Gasol in that respect. You wouldn’t want Pau leading your team, but how nice is it when he’s your #2 guy.

The fans I think will have a mixed reaction to Bosh’s departure. On one hand, he’s never had a good team and throughout his time here he never complained. We’ve seen T-Mac and Vince leave in the worst ways imaginable, and we’ve had more minor guys request trades, too. Alonzo Mourning refused to play for us entirely when he wwas traded here–we should have sued him but we sent him to Miami to get a ring. Those things make Bosh look like a good guy by comparison. On the other hand, he left us in what MAY have been something premeditated for years, and he did end up leaving us for next to nothing, just like T-Mac and Vince. So he may be the scapegoat of our rebuilding process. So yeah, I expect a mixed reaction from the fans.

Personally, I’m cool with the guy. Some of his comments about his change of scenery are a little rude, but overall he’s good. At least he didn’t complain while he was here.

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[quote]tmoney1 wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Just want to say I really enjoy all the NBA banter going on here since the playoffs. We all may not agree with each other all the time, but it’s good to disagree for the sake of talking shop.[/quote]

Agreed. It’s been cool to shoot the shit about ball with y’all these past couple of months.[/quote]

I disagree.

I hate all of you. >:([/quote]

We love you too ma’am.[/quote]

lol this guy :D…

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Bosh 2010-2011 = Now the leagues most expensive garbage man.

Only gets a touch if he gets a rebound off a Wade/Lebron miss lol.

For any other Raps fans on this board, I don’t think this is all bad Bosh leaving since we were going nowhere with him especially since he was being regarded as a “centrepiece” which he clearly was not.

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Yup. The longer he stayed the longer we’d have had to deal with mediocrity and fighting to make the playoffs [if that]. We may end up a lottery team next season, but in 3 years I still think we’ll have something to look foreword to. With Bosh that may not have been true.

But we’ll have to draft, coach and develop our way to a good squad. Aside from international players no one really wants to come here.

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NEW: Offer for Redick to CHI on table, ORL has 7 days to match, and GM says he will take full 7 days to make a decision.

What do you guys think about Redick? I think he’ll make an impact in CHI, as he doesn’t seem like a good fit in ORL (or maybe doesn’t feel welcomed). They already have enough deep threats (Pietrus, Lewis), sending him to CHI will be best for both teams.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Just want to say I really enjoy all the NBA banter going on here since the playoffs. We all may not agree with each other all the time, but it’s good to disagree for the sake of talking shop.[/quote]

Agreed. It’s been cool to shoot the shit about ball with y’all these past couple of months.[/quote]

I disagree.

I hate all of you. >:([/quote]

We love you too ma’am.[/quote]

lol this guy :D…[/quote]

HAHA nothing but love LD!

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
It’s the people who say, “he should have went to the Knicks/Bull/Nets” or whatever who are retarded. Wtf does he owe the Knicks?

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He doesn’t owe the Knicks anything. But if he did go to either Knicks/Bulls/Nets, people would still criticize him for leaving but we wouldn’t all be saying he couldn’t win is the Alpha Male on a team so had to go to Wade’s team to try and win anything. Biggest beta male move ever in NBA history. Total wuss…

What the hell are you talking about? Wade was never a sidekick role on Miami. Are you kidding me? He had one of the most dominating Finals performances in NBA history. He almost single-handedly won that series against Dallas. Shaq was the sidekick. WTF?!?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Some simple facts
Kobe has never even had a winning record on a team without a dominanat big man.
Kobe was not the alpha dog on the 3 peat Lakers team it was Shaq’s.
Kobe’s biggest problem is he is SELFISH but when he does play team ball which he has been recently though he has relapses.
Lebron is way more team oriented than either Jordan or Kobe.
How else does he average so many assists, you really think he couldn’t avg 35 plus a game.
You all are haters and are part of the old generation of basketball welcome to the new one.

And why no hate for the Celts they did the same fucking thing?[/quote]

I kind of agree with some of your posts actually Drew… No one wants to go to cleveland and they’ll never win an NBA Championship now that LBJ left. Lets be honest Ohio sucks and no one wants to go there unless its Ohio State and they’re hoping to get to the NFL.

1.That is not true. The lakers have only had a losing season 1 time since Kobe was drafted. They did not have a dominant big man every single year he was there except one.

  1. Kobe was young but by the 3rd title in their three peat it WASN’T Shaq and his side kick Kobe… it was even by then. They both complimented eachother.

  2. Kobes biggest problem is that he hasnt had teammates that stepped up. He’s been forced to shoot all the time (like jordan did in his first few years till he got good teammates he could rely on)

  3. This one is the worst of all your statements. LBJ is not more team oriented.

  4. He has a lot of assists because every time he gets the ball he is double teamed, especially when he drives and he dishes to open guys. LeBron is a very good passer for a big guy. He could average 35 but thats not what really matters right? Its winning. But I agree LBJ is a scoring machine.

  5. I’m not a hater. I just dont like LBJ’s attitude of kinda putting himself above everyone else. Like he’s bigger than the game… But I do think he is a very very good player.

  6. People didnt really hate on the C’s because they didnt pre meditate their signings like it “appears” Bosh, Wade and James did. Plus the “big three” in boston werent in their primes like these guys are. I’m not hating on them for signing together cause if they really only care about winning this is their best shot. I just dont like how LeBron went about it. If he would have just announced his signing along with Wade and Bosh it would have been all good to me.

.greg.[/quote]
Poor choice of words but LA DNQ and lost twice in the first round whuch proved Kobe can’t do shit alone. (Bron on his own at least got to the finals despite being swept)

Watch Lebron in his highschool days still a past first player even when he isn’t doubled. He’s a pass first player always has been always will be.

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
The difference is only because of their personalities and the way they handled it. Garnett carried himself with class and thanked the fans and obviously agonized over leaving his team. Lebron… not so much.
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No, that’s not the only difference. You’re missing the BIGGEST difference. Charles Barkley has said this as well. Look it up on youtube.com. Garnett, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Ray Allen all went to teams LATER in their careers (on the downside of their careers) to come together and try to win a championship. They didn’t puss out and go to another team when they were in their primes. Alpha Males, Guys who want to be considered as part of greatest players of all time, don’t pull this shit. Only LeQueen does…

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[quote]gregron wrote:
sardines=Drew… I’m almost sure of it!

Ok i’ve missed a lot but I hope the Heat get Fisher! I hope kobe, phill jackson and Fish workout a plan… They let Fish sign with the Heat and then fish sabotages the Heat so that they self-destruct in the playoffs! That would be awesome! Fish is an undercover laker spy! Mwwwaaahahahahahah! Diabolical!

.greg.[/quote]

i dont think hes drewh, ive seen drewh post in another thread.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Poor choice of words but LA DNQ and lost twice in the first round whuch proved Kobe can’t do shit alone. (Bron on his own at least got to the finals despite being swept)

Watch Lebron in his highschool days still a past first player even when he isn’t doubled. He’s a pass first player always has been always will be. [/quote]

You are definitely Drew. Come on admit it fucker. You’re so fucking spineless that you can’t even admit the truth. You’re going to hide behind you’re computer screen and not even be man enough to admit you’re DrewH. This is something Lebron would do…ha ha ha!!!

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
sardines=Drew… I’m almost sure of it!

Ok i’ve missed a lot but I hope the Heat get Fisher! I hope kobe, phill jackson and Fish workout a plan… They let Fish sign with the Heat and then fish sabotages the Heat so that they self-destruct in the playoffs! That would be awesome! Fish is an undercover laker spy! Mwwwaaahahahahahah! Diabolical!

.greg.[/quote]

i dont think hes drewh, ive seen drewh post in another thread.[/quote]

I disagree. There’s nothing stopping him from having more than one profile. I’m convinced this is drewh.

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[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
NEW: Offer for Redick to CHI on table, ORL has 7 days to match, and GM says he will take full 7 days to make a decision.

What do you guys think about Redick? I think he’ll make an impact in CHI, as he doesn’t seem like a good fit in ORL (or maybe doesn’t feel welcomed). They already have enough deep threats (Pietrus, Lewis), sending him to CHI will be best for both teams.[/quote]

I hope he goes to the Bulls. He’s a great shooter who is criminally underused on the Magic. Think their series with Boston, where a shitty, apathetic Vince was given a starting spot over him–Vince literally did nothing but smile and talk to players on the other team.

Hopefully he can go to Chicago where they’ll use him.

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I don’t have a problem with LeBron taking less money to have a chance at winning multiple titles. That’s fine by me. I also don’t have a problem with him trying to change the way the League is with this. I don’t have a problem with him wanting to play with his buddies.

I have a problem with his refusal to compete against the two guys he is teaming up with. It’s like he gave up on wanting to be GOAT. I can’t believe he doesn’t want to see who ends up the better player down the line: him Wade, Bosh, Kobe, Durant, etc.

As far as raw ability goes, this guy is head and shoulders above everybody in the league. Easily. That includes Kobe, Wade, Garnett in his prime, whoever. There just isn’t a player with his combination of speed, size, agility, coordination. Some are better at one of those, but no one has the whole package like James.

He’s a guy who is capable of leading a shitty team to a 60 win record in the regular season. And he’s the consensus pick for most exciting player in the league. No one close there either. He really just needed better coaching, and to develop some more on the mental side of things.

And maybe a better jump shot if he wanted to be a complete player. He had a good coach hired in Cleveland, with Byron Scott, and the other two take time and effort.

I don’t know if he’d ever be as great as Mike, but he could have easily finished his career in the position to be mentioned in the same breath. Just on pure ability to play ball, he and Kobe are probably already better than Michael.

He just needed to win as an undisputed leader. To everybody who isn’t a hardcore Kobe fan, the fact that his first three rings came with Shaq kind of disqualifies him from being as good as MJ. LeBron just voluntarily put that hex on himself.

THAT is my issue with LeBron’s choice.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
NEW: Offer for Redick to CHI on table, ORL has 7 days to match, and GM says he will take full 7 days to make a decision.

What do you guys think about Redick? I think he’ll make an impact in CHI, as he doesn’t seem like a good fit in ORL (or maybe doesn’t feel welcomed). They already have enough deep threats (Pietrus, Lewis), sending him to CHI will be best for both teams.[/quote]

I hope he goes to the Bulls. He’s a great shooter who is criminally underused on the Magic. Think their series with Boston, where a shitty, apathetic Vince was given a starting spot over him–Vince literally did nothing but smile and talk to players on the other team.

Hopefully he can go to Chicago where they’ll use him.[/quote]

Agreed. He’ll be a better fit in CHI (and get more minutes).

And let’s not get started on Vince Carter and his (lack of) leadership to even lead his team to a Conference Finals, let alone anywhere else.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
and to develop some more on the mental side of things. [/quote]

Agree with most of what you say. However, you casually mentioned the BIGGEST factor/problem with Lebron James that we who have been his most vocal critics have said all along.

He lacks the killer instinct. Plain and simple. You don’t just develop this mentality. You either have it or you don’t. Jordan/Kobe = having it. Lebron = doesn’t hav it/never will.

His decision to join Miami confirms this.