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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
I can’t believe more people here aren’t ripping on Lebron for this. Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant would never go to another team with superstars because they didn’t believe in themselves enough for a team to be built around them. His legacy is forever going to be defined by this even if he does win championships. He will NEVER be considered even close to GOAT. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.

This article talks about it his decision and how he didn’t believe in himself enough.

This one rips him for taking the easy way out. It’s like Jordan saying he’s going to the Detroit Pistons in 1990 cuz he couldn’t handle the pressure of scoring 30 every night. This guy is a lost little child.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/08/lebron.event/index.html

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Kobe did everything he could to get LA to ship him out, the difference is he wasn’t a free agent or everyone here knows he would’ve been gone. Don’t even try to say different you know it’s true. He has since seemingly matured, respect to him for that.[/quote]

What the hell are you talking about? He was a free agent before and could have went to the Clippers; remember that? He could have went anywhere unrestricted. Stop deflecting the appropriate level of criticism towards your Queen by trying to drag Kobe into this spineless move by LeLoser. It’s pathetic.
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The Clippers are you serious now? Last time I checked LBJ didn’t jet to the Knicks, he went to a team that is fucking loaded. Kobe didn’t have an option like that.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
He had the belief and will power in himself that he knew he could lead a team on his own[/quote]

No he didn’t, that’s exactly why he ‘put the challenge to the organization.’ You are so far up Kobe’s ass on this point. You and WF can keep saying it all you want, I’ll keep siding with guys like Micheal Wilbon that pointed this out many times over the past few days when the ‘super team’ looked to be all but ink on paper from completion. The only difference is that Kobe was in no position to actually do anything but ‘call out’ his owner/GM because he wasn’t a free agent. What was he going to do, sit out until his contract was over?[/quote]

It wouldn’t have been the first time. Chris Paul just said that if NO can’t put a winning team around him he wants out. Does that make him a quitter? No, it means he knows he can’t do it alone, but he believes in himself and the team enough that if they can get some key pieces they’re right there. James was given those key pieces over and over but couldn’t produce. So, instead of trying again he leaves to go where he thinks it’ll be easier. That is fucking absurd. Great athletes accept challenges and welcome the pressure. James just wilted, and he did it on national T.V. You can continue to defend this classless jackass all you want, but the facts are he folded like a fucking taco and proved he’s nothing more than a shit ton of hype.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
I can’t believe more people here aren’t ripping on Lebron for this. Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant would never go to another team with superstars because they didn’t believe in themselves enough for a team to be built around them. His legacy is forever going to be defined by this even if he does win championships. He will NEVER be considered even close to GOAT. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.

This article talks about it his decision and how he didn’t believe in himself enough.

This one rips him for taking the easy way out. It’s like Jordan saying he’s going to the Detroit Pistons in 1990 cuz he couldn’t handle the pressure of scoring 30 every night. This guy is a lost little child.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/08/lebron.event/index.html

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Kobe did everything he could to get LA to ship him out, the difference is he wasn’t a free agent or everyone here knows he would’ve been gone. Don’t even try to say different you know it’s true. He has since seemingly matured, respect to him for that.[/quote]

What the hell are you talking about? He was a free agent before and could have went to the Clippers; remember that? He could have went anywhere unrestricted. Stop deflecting the appropriate level of criticism towards your Queen by trying to drag Kobe into this spineless move by LeLoser. It’s pathetic.
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The Clippers are you serious now? Last time I checked LBJ didn’t jet to the Knicks, he went to a team that is fucking loaded. Kobe didn’t have an option like that.[/quote]

You’re proving our point man. Kobe stayed and continued winning when other teams were willing to give him more dough. James took the easy way out and signed with a loaded squad. Truly great athletes don’t take the easy way out. Barkley called him a chickenshit using a different term.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
He had the belief and will power in himself that he knew he could lead a team on his own[/quote]

No he didn’t, that’s exactly why he ‘put the challenge to the organization.’ You are so far up Kobe’s ass on this point. You and WF can keep saying it all you want, I’ll keep siding with guys like Micheal Wilbon that pointed this out many times over the past few days when the ‘super team’ looked to be all but ink on paper from completion. The only difference is that Kobe was in no position to actually do anything but ‘call out’ his owner/GM because he wasn’t a free agent. What was he going to do, sit out until his contract was over?[/quote]

You are so off here it’s unreal. He put the challenge to the organization to get him some fucking pieces other than Kwame fucking Brown. Are you kidding me with this shit? Go read 5 articles out there criticizing Lebron’s bitchy move and all the sports writers are saying that Kobe or Jordan would never do this.

What does Wilbon saying this just ink on a paper of the big three have to do with ANYTHING I’m talking about? Lebron couldn’t win with a team built around him, he took the pussy way out and joined WADE’S team. He will never be considered even close to GOAT since he had to join another superstar’s team no matter if they win championships or not. How in the hell are you defending this?

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
I can’t believe more people here aren’t ripping on Lebron for this. Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant would never go to another team with superstars because they didn’t believe in themselves enough for a team to be built around them. His legacy is forever going to be defined by this even if he does win championships. He will NEVER be considered even close to GOAT. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.

This article talks about it his decision and how he didn’t believe in himself enough.

This one rips him for taking the easy way out. It’s like Jordan saying he’s going to the Detroit Pistons in 1990 cuz he couldn’t handle the pressure of scoring 30 every night. This guy is a lost little child.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/08/lebron.event/index.html

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Kobe did everything he could to get LA to ship him out, the difference is he wasn’t a free agent or everyone here knows he would’ve been gone. Don’t even try to say different you know it’s true. He has since seemingly matured, respect to him for that.[/quote]

What the hell are you talking about? He was a free agent before and could have went to the Clippers; remember that? He could have went anywhere unrestricted. Stop deflecting the appropriate level of criticism towards your Queen by trying to drag Kobe into this spineless move by LeLoser. It’s pathetic.
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The Clippers are you serious now? Last time I checked LBJ didn’t jet to the Knicks, he went to a team that is fucking loaded. Kobe didn’t have an option like that.[/quote]

Ok, I’m convinced you are learning impaired. The point is, Kobe was a free agent and could have jetted to another team but didn’t. And the fact that he was looking at the Clippers because he wanted to be the MAN and have pieces built around him there.

You are actually helping me make my point, numbnuts. LeLoser did go to a team that’s loaded already cuz his sorry ass couldn’t be the lead in a team built around him. You are actually arguing my point and you’re too dense to realize it.

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It’s hilarious how Red’s defense of everything Lebron is by trying to drag down Kobe in scenarios that are not even closely related. Lemme see if I can deflect the deserved criticism of Lebron by focusing on tearing down Kobe. Nice try, Red, nice try. But it ain’t working…

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
He had the belief and will power in himself that he knew he could lead a team on his own[/quote]

No he didn’t, that’s exactly why he ‘put the challenge to the organization.’ You are so far up Kobe’s ass on this point. You and WF can keep saying it all you want, I’ll keep siding with guys like Micheal Wilbon that pointed this out many times over the past few days when the ‘super team’ looked to be all but ink on paper from completion. The only difference is that Kobe was in no position to actually do anything but ‘call out’ his owner/GM because he wasn’t a free agent. What was he going to do, sit out until his contract was over?[/quote]

It wouldn’t have been the first time. Chris Paul just said that if NO can’t put a winning team around him he wants out. Does that make him a quitter? No, it means he knows he can’t do it alone, but he believes in himself and the team enough that if they can get some key pieces they’re right there. James was given those key pieces over and over but couldn’t produce. So, instead of trying again he leaves to go where he thinks it’ll be easier. That is fucking absurd. Great athletes accept challenges and welcome the pressure. James just wilted, and he did it on national T.V. You can continue to defend this classless jackass all you want, but the facts are he folded like a fucking taco and proved he’s nothing more than a shit ton of hype.[/quote]

So am I to assume you hold an equal position of hatred for guys like Shaq, Barry Bonds, A-Rod(already kind of touched on), Randy Moss, etc; that have all done the same thing(left positions of moderate success for chances at the ultimate success)?

You are honestly incapable of looking at the situation with any rational thought because you have so much hate for LeBron because he had the audacity to get hyped by ESPN/Nike/etc. How dare he, having people talk about him on TV while he is off practicing his game.

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Nobody wants to got to Cleveland you idiots. You can’t build a team where nobody wants to go. hmmmm lets put on or thinking caps L.A. Cleveland??? Think really hard about that. These guys took less money to win and you guys are dogging them. You must hate basketball or are secretly terrified about how good this team can be. I’m not even a miami fan but the basketball fan in me can’t wait to see this. You guys seem much more about single player dynasties than what ever players goal should be WINNING.

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[quote]randman wrote:
It’s hilarious how Red’s defense of everything Lebron is by trying to drag down Kobe in scenarios that are not even closely related. Lemme see if I can deflect the deserved criticism of Lebron by focusing on tearing down Kobe. Nice try, Red, nice try. But it ain’t working…[/quote]

It’s hilarious how you defense of Kobe/assault on LeBron centers around ‘pieces’ like Pau Gasol isn’t a top 5 big man in the NBA, and Andrew Bynum isn’t one of the extremely few true centers in the game. You keep holding it against LeBron for leaving when it was clear that while Cleveland was ‘getting him pieces’ the pieces fucking blew ass(Shaq? Fucking Shaq? I’m sure if we look we can find how much I hated that deal when it went down)

Anyhow I have to leave I will be back to argue more later.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Nobody wants to got to Cleveland you idiots. You can’t build a team where nobody wants to go. hmmmm lets put on or thinking caps L.A. Cleveland??? Think really hard about that. These guys took less money to win and you guys are dogging them. You must hate basketball or are secretly terrified about how good this team can be. I’m not even a miami fan but the basketball fan in me can’t wait to see this. You guys seem much more about single player dynasties than what ever players goal should be WINNING. [/quote]

He could have went a lot of different places to build his own legacy as the “KING”. In Miami, he ain’t going to be no KING. He copped out cuz he needs Wade cuz he doesn’t believe he can lead a team himself. And he can’t.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
He had the belief and will power in himself that he knew he could lead a team on his own[/quote]

No he didn’t, that’s exactly why he ‘put the challenge to the organization.’ You are so far up Kobe’s ass on this point. You and WF can keep saying it all you want, I’ll keep siding with guys like Micheal Wilbon that pointed this out many times over the past few days when the ‘super team’ looked to be all but ink on paper from completion. The only difference is that Kobe was in no position to actually do anything but ‘call out’ his owner/GM because he wasn’t a free agent. What was he going to do, sit out until his contract was over?[/quote]

It wouldn’t have been the first time. Chris Paul just said that if NO can’t put a winning team around him he wants out. Does that make him a quitter? No, it means he knows he can’t do it alone, but he believes in himself and the team enough that if they can get some key pieces they’re right there. James was given those key pieces over and over but couldn’t produce. So, instead of trying again he leaves to go where he thinks it’ll be easier. That is fucking absurd. Great athletes accept challenges and welcome the pressure. James just wilted, and he did it on national T.V. You can continue to defend this classless jackass all you want, but the facts are he folded like a fucking taco and proved he’s nothing more than a shit ton of hype.[/quote]

So am I to assume you hold an equal position of hatred for guys like Shaq, Barry Bonds, A-Rod(already kind of touched on), Randy Moss, etc; that have all done the same thing(left positions of moderate success for chances at the ultimate success)?

You are honestly incapable of looking at the situation with any rational thought because you have so much hate for LeBron because he had the audacity to get hyped by ESPN/Nike/etc. How dare he, having people talk about him on TV while he is off practicing his game.[/quote]

Uh, when Shaq left Orlando for LA he actually went to a WORSE situation. He had one Finals under his belt and if I remember correctly the Lakers hadn’t been to the playoffs in a couple of years. The shit you’re coming up with now to defend this guy is ridiculous. Give it up man. He’s a sham and left your city to burn. Not really much else to say.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
He had the belief and will power in himself that he knew he could lead a team on his own[/quote]

No he didn’t, that’s exactly why he ‘put the challenge to the organization.’ You are so far up Kobe’s ass on this point. You and WF can keep saying it all you want, I’ll keep siding with guys like Micheal Wilbon that pointed this out many times over the past few days when the ‘super team’ looked to be all but ink on paper from completion. The only difference is that Kobe was in no position to actually do anything but ‘call out’ his owner/GM because he wasn’t a free agent. What was he going to do, sit out until his contract was over?[/quote]

It wouldn’t have been the first time. Chris Paul just said that if NO can’t put a winning team around him he wants out. Does that make him a quitter? No, it means he knows he can’t do it alone, but he believes in himself and the team enough that if they can get some key pieces they’re right there. James was given those key pieces over and over but couldn’t produce. So, instead of trying again he leaves to go where he thinks it’ll be easier. That is fucking absurd. Great athletes accept challenges and welcome the pressure. James just wilted, and he did it on national T.V. You can continue to defend this classless jackass all you want, but the facts are he folded like a fucking taco and proved he’s nothing more than a shit ton of hype.[/quote]

So am I to assume you hold an equal position of hatred for guys like Shaq, Barry Bonds, A-Rod(already kind of touched on), Randy Moss, etc; that have all done the same thing(left positions of moderate success for chances at the ultimate success)?

You are honestly incapable of looking at the situation with any rational thought because you have so much hate for LeBron because he had the audacity to get hyped by ESPN/Nike/etc. How dare he, having people talk about him on TV while he is off practicing his game.[/quote]

You really suck at debating, you know that? Let’s stick to basketball, shall we? Basketball is a unique sport where an individual can exert a huge amount of influence on an outcome of a game, season, and championship much more so than baseball and football (except quarterback position).

So yeah, I actually think Shaq’s gun for hire antics was pretty freaking lame and he is disliked by many cuz of it. The point it, LeLoser keeps saying he’s the KING. He ain’t no KING now. He’s Wade’s bitch.

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The creators of the “Fathead” sports stuff just dropped their price on LeBron James fatheads to $17.41 'cause 1741 was the birth year of the ultimate traitor Benedict Arnold. That is fantastic.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
It’s hilarious how Red’s defense of everything Lebron is by trying to drag down Kobe in scenarios that are not even closely related. Lemme see if I can deflect the deserved criticism of Lebron by focusing on tearing down Kobe. Nice try, Red, nice try. But it ain’t working…[/quote]

It’s hilarious how you defense of Kobe/assault on LeBron centers around ‘pieces’ like Pau Gasol isn’t a top 5 big man in the NBA, and Andrew Bynum isn’t one of the extremely few true centers in the game. You keep holding it against LeBron for leaving when it was clear that while Cleveland was ‘getting him pieces’ the pieces fucking blew ass(Shaq? Fucking Shaq? I’m sure if we look we can find how much I hated that deal when it went down)

Anyhow I have to leave I will be back to argue more later.[/quote]

Yes, Pau Gasol is a top 5 big man. Yes, Andrew Bynum is a true center. Yes, Kobe has a ton of help as any superstar should have to win a championship. But make no mistake, Kobe has, is, and always will be top Alpha dog on this team and is their leader.

I can’t believe you can’t see the difference. It can be argued that Lebron may not be even the best player on his team now. He ain’t the fucking leader. He ain’t no fucking King. He ain’t no Jordan and he ain’t no Kobe. He’s a complementary player now. This is Wade’s team. Lebron is part of his supporting cast now.

I’m not taking on the Cleveland argument. If Jordan or Kobe were in that situation and they felt like they HAD to leave for whatever reason there is no way in hell they would have joined Wade and Bosh in Miami. They would take alpha dog status in Chicago or another team like that. Next subject…

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What’s funny again is all you have to do you is read every freakin article out there and they are ALL saying the same thing. Lebron James has irrevocably tarnished his legacy, it wasn’t a good choice, he quit, he didn’t believe in himself, he couldn’t get it done, etc, etc. And yet you have numbnuts like Red here trying to argue with us like we are way off on our perceptions when a majority of the sports analysts out there share the same perceptions!!!

Red, seriously, are you crazy?

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Looks like ORL’s GM is getting in on the LeBron bashing party as well.

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Bulls sign Kyle Korver to 3yr/15M deal.

CHI doin work this offseason.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Alright, several things:

  1. LeBron needs a speech coach. Said ‘umm’ and ‘process’ way too much

  2. MIA won’t win any championships with these three guys. You have three guys in their prime all want to take shots. Heck, Bron and Wade will probably take 50+ shots per game between the two of them. Bosh seems like a wingman, so he’ll be good. Interested to see how D-Wade and LBJ will work things out (Wade saying ‘you came to MY team’ vs. LBJ saying 'I’m the man, it’s my show now). I see the Heat being regular season champs, but losing in the playoffs.

  3. LeBron is very very full of himself (nothing new here).

  4. The gesture at the end to donate money and scholarships was nice, but LeBron finishing off by saying ‘there’s probably another LeBron in this group’ added to his arrogance.

  5. The Heat have a somewhat decent (albeit) young squad with Beasley and Chalmers, plus if their rooks pan out (Butler, Pittman, Varnado) they have an ok squad. The Heat will probably have to sign Kimbo Slice and Dan Marino to come off the bench.[/quote]

I think the Heat are ultimately the best team in the NBA right. We were all talking about how Kobe wanted redemption for Boston’s 2008 championship, so we shouldnt ignore the sense of motivation and redemption 'bron, Bosh and Wade are going to have. I believe they will figure it out. They have some of the best management in the NBA in Miami and now they have the best players. I think players are going to be begging to play down there in ‘south beach.’

Laker’s latest three-peat cluster chances just got STOMPED.[/quote]

You really do say some stupid shit. They need a lot more than these three to get to a championship; never mind potential chemistry issues, ego issues (Lebron), etc.

Lakers will threepeat next year. Miami won’t even make it out of the east.[/quote]

Mayne dont make me not like you. How the hell is it stupid when I’m like 1 out of a billion people saying this…

Like I said saying they won’t win is exactly the same as saying as they will win. None of us know but they are the most talented team in the league.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
It’s hilarious how Red’s defense of everything Lebron is by trying to drag down Kobe in scenarios that are not even closely related. Lemme see if I can deflect the deserved criticism of Lebron by focusing on tearing down Kobe. Nice try, Red, nice try. But it ain’t working…[/quote]

It’s hilarious how you defense of Kobe/assault on LeBron centers around ‘pieces’ like Pau Gasol isn’t a top 5 big man in the NBA, and Andrew Bynum isn’t one of the extremely few true centers in the game. You keep holding it against LeBron for leaving when it was clear that while Cleveland was ‘getting him pieces’ the pieces fucking blew ass(Shaq? Fucking Shaq? I’m sure if we look we can find how much I hated that deal when it went down)

Anyhow I have to leave I will be back to argue more later.[/quote]

Yes, Pau Gasol is a top 5 big man. Yes, Andrew Bynum is a true center. Yes, Kobe has a ton of help as any superstar should have to win a championship. But make no mistake, Kobe has, is, and always will be top Alpha dog on this team and is their leader.

I can’t believe you can’t see the difference. It can be argued that Lebron may not be even the best player on his team now. He ain’t the fucking leader. He ain’t no fucking King. He ain’t no Jordan and he ain’t no Kobe. He’s a complementary player now. This is Wade’s team. Lebron is part of his supporting cast now.

I’m not taking on the Cleveland argument. If Jordan or Kobe were in that situation and they felt like they HAD to leave for whatever reason there is no way in hell they would have joined Wade and Bosh in Miami. They would take alpha dog status in Chicago or another team like that. Next subject…[/quote]
Kobe WAS NOT TOP DOG IN LA WITH SHAQ NOT.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Nobody wants to got to Cleveland you idiots. You can’t build a team where nobody wants to go. hmmmm lets put on or thinking caps L.A. Cleveland??? Think really hard about that. These guys took less money to win and you guys are dogging them. You must hate basketball or are secretly terrified about how good this team can be. I’m not even a miami fan but the basketball fan in me can’t wait to see this. You guys seem much more about single player dynasties than what ever players goal should be WINNING. [/quote]

He could have went a lot of different places to build his own legacy as the “KING”. In Miami, he ain’t going to be no KING. He copped out cuz he needs Wade cuz he doesn’t believe he can lead a team himself. And he can’t.[/quote]
He doesn’t care about being King he wants to win. LBJ has always been a team oriented player. He’s doing something different and you haters are freaking out.