NBA Free Agency/Offseason

LBJ just looked plain uncomfortable & the whole Freeway beard thing was an attempt to cover even more of his face from his adoring fans, inquisitive media, & enraged former fan base/hometown.

In any case, past all the speculation & the wack job owners’ open letter to all Clevelanderians (is that a word?) no doubt this upcoming season of the NBA is going to be a bumpy ride & there will be a lot to look forward to. Make a bucket of popcorn, grab a beer(s) & enjoy.

I’m just wondering if & when any of the big 3 will get injured & ruin their mojo

As a Torontonian my heart bleeds knowing the Raptors will be competing with Leafs now in terms of suck in the East

What was that about the World Cup? lol

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Now I actually have a team to root against next year. Thanks LeBron :)[/quote]

But with a slightly different twist, I just became a fan of the NBA.

I will root for “every” team that plays against the Heat.

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
To be completely honest though, I’m not having these guys as the favourites until at least I see how they fill out the roster. I still have Lakers coming out of the west, and if they can keep healthy and not play their age, the Celtics can come out of the East. If not the Celtics, Orlando has proven they can make it.

We’ll see though. The sky’s the limit for these guys if Wade or LeBron decides to play second fiddle [Bosh WILL make the sacrifice, no question], or if both willingly take a hit to their numbers. But it could also be a big disappointment.

Even if things implode they’ll st least get 50-55 wins. We all know the playoffs are a whole different animal. But holy crap right now the starting lineup of the Heat looks frighteningly similar to Team USA.[/quote]

You gotta see how the ‘Boston effect’ plays out here, there are going to be some people willing to take massive paycuts to hop on that gravy train.

With that said, as I mentioned above, I am right there with you: we need to see what’s going on with Beasley(Bosh’s contract isn’t inked yet, sign and trade could still happen), and how much cash the 3 are taking(assuming 16.6 each, but we don’t know).

I dunno if I buy this team being ready in 1 season, but when that new CBA happens(a lockout would suck for this team btw) they could probably get really cooking with some solid role players.[/quote]

With the looming CBA, and that fact that there are a bunch of teams with too much money and barely any players, dudes are going to have to take bigger paycuts from potential salaries than in other years. This is a great time to be a mid level player. NY and NJ, and TO for the matter are probably going to overpay a lot of guys just to look like they did something [TO is already I believe]. Even Darko’s caked up now.

I can still see some guys taking pay cuts to get on, though. Maybe there are some old guys who desperately want a title that I can’t think of right now.

PS: I’m really sorry man. Damn, I know how you feel. If they’re all taking paycuts than there a good chance we won’t get anyone for Bosh. [/quote]

To be completely honest I’m really torn on this, like, as is very much obvious at this point I am a LeBron fan. I’ve played ball on the same floor as him(high school), watched any game he played within a reasonable drive(northern half of Ohio basically, bunch of buddies from school would road trip it occasionally if he played in one of the close states on a weekend), and then watched him ‘mature’ from raw athletic rookie too (still pretty reliant on his athleticism) full blown star. So part of me really wants to kind of go the Randman route(his following of Kobe from youth) and just stick to him because of all of that. On the other hand, I’m well past the age of being a bandwagon fan, my Cavs will most likely be back to anonymity in the league, but they’re my Cavs.

At least he didn’t go to the Bulls WITH CARLOS FUCKING BOOZER… god that would’ve been a nightmare.
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Haha yeah the Bulls would have been even more painful for you guys.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Holy shit. Dan Gilbert just released maybe the craziest call out letter in pro sports history. Sportscenter just read it aloud and the sportscasters reading it were damn near at a loss for words on how raw it was. He tore James a Shaquille Oneal sized new asshole.[/quote]

Open Letter to Fans from Cavaliers Majority Owner Dan Gilbert
Posted by Inside Hoops

Jul 8

Note from InsideHoops.com: This is a real letter from the owner of the Cavs, released to the public the night LeBron James left the Cleveland to join the Miami Heat:

Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.

This was announced with a several day, narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his â??decisionâ?? unlike anything ever â??witnessedâ?? in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment.

Clearly, this is bitterly disappointing to all of us.

The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Cavaliers have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you.

There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.

You simply donâ??t deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.

You have given so much and deserve so much more.

In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight:

â??I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER â??KINGâ?? WINS ONEâ??

You can take it to the bank.

If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our â??motivationâ?? to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.

Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.

Sorry, but thatâ??s simply not how it works.

This shocking act of disloyalty from our home grown â??chosen oneâ?? sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And â??whoâ?? we would want them to grow-up to become.

But the good news is that this heartless and callous action can only serve as the antidote to the so-called â??curseâ?? on Cleveland, Ohio.

The self-declared former â??Kingâ?? will be taking the â??curseâ?? with him down south. And until he does â??rightâ?? by Cleveland and Ohio, James (and the town where he plays) will unfortunately own this dreaded spell and bad karma.

Just watch.

Sleep well, Cleveland.

Tomorrow is a new and much brighter dayâ?¦.

I PROMISE you that our energy, focus, capital, knowledge and experience will be directed at one thing and one thing only:

DELIVERING YOU the championship you have long deserved and is long overdueâ?¦.

Dan Gilbert

Majority Owner

Cleveland Cavaliers
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This is funny and all, but this guy is nuts. And stupid. I know he’s mad that all of the money and time he invested in LBJ to pamper him and make him a star was for waste, and his teams about to have it’s value cut in half [guess what that does to his wealth], but he just embarrased himself.

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Not trying to be a homer, but I think Durant just locked up the next few scoring titles.[/quote]

It’s now a race between him, Melo, and Kobe. Between those three I think Durant will win the most in the next few years.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Mike Miller currently considering 5 yr/$27.5M deal to join MIA.

Honestly, I don’t see what’s to ‘consider’ just sign already.[/quote]

I remember reading somewhere that Miller and James are really good friends. The only reason I remember that is it struck me as odd. If it happens that locks up one shooter they need.[/quote]

Apparently he’s agreed to a 5 year deal for 30 mill. The Heat are starting to look like they’ll fill out their roster just fine.

This is nuts. The NBA has their Yankees.

[quote]gonugs wrote:
I think Miami will go for a defense first point guard next. They are much cheaper than bigs generally these days. Then they play ? at point, Wade, Miller, James (point-forward in half court), and Bosh at center. James is heavier and stronger than most centers in the league. I think they’ll be fine.[/quote]

Good point. Betwwen James and Wade they don’t need a point guard who can lead an offense. I don’t like Bosh at centre, but he’ll manage.

LeBron James must have chose the worst people to get Public Relations advice from…

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I really think you guys are crazy to really think this team won’t win championships. These 3 players have more basketball IQ between them than whole teams. THEY WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

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It’s not that easy. Just check recent history for US Olympic basketball failures. You always…ALWAYS need the right complimentary players to win championships. Teams on paper look great because on paper, you don’t need to share the ball, execute, play defense, rebound, make stops, make shots, have good coaching, etc. [/quote]

Bingo. And, for all their talk about being unselfish and welcoming the bullseye this has potential for a massive implosion. Basketball is still a team sport and James has been pretty unwilling to share up to this point, so why is everyone so ready to believe he’ll do it now?

I can easily see this not working out the way they planned, LeBron pointing fingers and not taking responsibility, Wade getting frustrated and the whole thing culminating in an epic meltdown. The preside these dudes have just put on themselves is truly at unprecedented levels, and I don’t think they (or even us) understand how crazy this can and will get.[/quote]

I agree there’s more than just plugging stars together to win championships, but comparing them to the US basketball team doesn’t make sense because those players are thrown together for a few weeks, compared to a full 82 game season where they have time to mesh. They may not win a championship in the upcoming year, but they will within 2 years IMO. Obviously there will be kinks to work out, but I have a hard time believing a team that added two players who have been on the all time defensive team and won scoring titles multiple times will suddenly play poor defence and have trouble scoring/executing on offense. Oh and lets not forget about the 20 and 10 guy CB4. Lastly, as Lebron said, his play as well as Bosh and Wade’s will raise the level of play of their role players (just like we saw in Boston).

The NBA is such a talent based league and for this reason I really have a hard time seeing them not doing well.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I really think you guys are crazy to really think this team won’t win championships. These 3 players have more basketball IQ between them than whole teams. THEY WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

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It’s not that easy. Just check recent history for US Olympic basketball failures. You always…ALWAYS need the right complimentary players to win championships. Teams on paper look great because on paper, you don’t need to share the ball, execute, play defense, rebound, make stops, make shots, have good coaching, etc. [/quote]

Bingo. And, for all their talk about being unselfish and welcoming the bullseye this has potential for a massive implosion. Basketball is still a team sport and James has been pretty unwilling to share up to this point, so why is everyone so ready to believe he’ll do it now?

I can easily see this not working out the way they planned, LeBron pointing fingers and not taking responsibility, Wade getting frustrated and the whole thing culminating in an epic meltdown. The preside these dudes have just put on themselves is truly at unprecedented levels, and I don’t think they (or even us) understand how crazy this can and will get.[/quote]

I agree there’s more than just plugging stars together to win championships, but comparing them to the US basketball team doesn’t make sense because those players are thrown together for a few weeks, compared to a full 82 game season where they have time to mesh. They may not win a championship in the upcoming year, but they will within 2 years IMO. Obviously there will be kinks to work out, but I have a hard time believing a team that added two players who have been on the all time defensive team and won scoring titles multiple times will suddenly play poor defence and have trouble scoring/executing on offense. Oh and lets not forget about the 20 and 10 guy CB4. Lastly, as Lebron said, his play as well as Bosh and Wade’s will raise the level of play of their role players (just like we saw in Boston).

The NBA is such a talent based league and for this reason I really have a hard time seeing them not doing well.

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The point is doing “well” is not enough. Anything outside of championships [plural] will be deemed an utter failure. And, if they don’t win immediately [and I don’t think they will] then the pressure’s gonna get even bigger. At that point what happens? Do the excuses come? Does the finger pointing start? This has the potential to blow up unlike anything we’ve ever seen. And, like others have said this is just bad for the league, and may have opened up the door for a dark period in pro sports. Teams need individual stars for people to identify with. Stacking one team like that impacts the game as a whole in so many negative ways it’s hard to quantify. This could very well have ushered in a new, terribly bleak era.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I really think you guys are crazy to really think this team won’t win championships. These 3 players have more basketball IQ between them than whole teams. THEY WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

[/quote]

It’s not that easy. Just check recent history for US Olympic basketball failures. You always…ALWAYS need the right complimentary players to win championships. Teams on paper look great because on paper, you don’t need to share the ball, execute, play defense, rebound, make stops, make shots, have good coaching, etc. [/quote]

Bingo. And, for all their talk about being unselfish and welcoming the bullseye this has potential for a massive implosion. Basketball is still a team sport and James has been pretty unwilling to share up to this point, so why is everyone so ready to believe he’ll do it now?

I can easily see this not working out the way they planned, LeBron pointing fingers and not taking responsibility, Wade getting frustrated and the whole thing culminating in an epic meltdown. The preside these dudes have just put on themselves is truly at unprecedented levels, and I don’t think they (or even us) understand how crazy this can and will get.[/quote]

I agree there’s more than just plugging stars together to win championships, but comparing them to the US basketball team doesn’t make sense because those players are thrown together for a few weeks, compared to a full 82 game season where they have time to mesh. They may not win a championship in the upcoming year, but they will within 2 years IMO. Obviously there will be kinks to work out, but I have a hard time believing a team that added two players who have been on the all time defensive team and won scoring titles multiple times will suddenly play poor defence and have trouble scoring/executing on offense. Oh and lets not forget about the 20 and 10 guy CB4. Lastly, as Lebron said, his play as well as Bosh and Wade’s will raise the level of play of their role players (just like we saw in Boston).

The NBA is such a talent based league and for this reason I really have a hard time seeing them not doing well.

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The point is doing “well” is not enough. Anything outside of championships [plural] will be deemed an utter failure. And, if they don’t win immediately [and I don’t think they will] then the pressure’s gonna get even bigger. At that point what happens? Do the excuses come? Does the finger pointing start? This has the potential to blow up unlike anything we’ve ever seen. And, like others have said this is just bad for the league, and may have opened up the door for a dark period in pro sports. Teams need individual stars for people to identify with. Stacking one team like that impacts the game as a whole in so many negative ways it’s hard to quantify. This could very well have ushered in a new, terribly bleak era.[/quote]

I’m just arguing whether this team will win championships or not. And I think they will win at least 2-3 in the next 5 years.

Also I wonder how the Heat will be rated in NBA 2K11… 99’s across the board lol

Larry, your new avatar is awesome.

This shit really pisses me off. When I heard James decided to go to Miami I thought it was interesting, but now with Miller and who knows what other players may be willing to take pay cuts to play on this team, they may be able to put together a monster team with some decent helpers.

We’ll see how the rest of this plays out, but I will be really upset if anymore players take pay cuts to play on this team and make it even more stacked. All that aside tho, I’m still predicting a Laker 3-peat. All I can say is THANK GOD Phil Jackson didn’t retire, they will need a good coach to guide them thru this season.

Lebron is an asshole, he made a whole spectacle out of this thing and in turn humiliated ohio in the process. He’s so fkn full of himself that he didn’t realize how much that would sting for the Cavs fans for him to make a public spectacle of this and leave them is embarrassing and unnecessarily cruel. I swear I think this guy is narcissistic, either that or he really doesn’t give a shit about cleveland

Amare Stoudemire must feel very lonesome in NY.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Larry, your new avatar is awesome.[/quote]

hehe Thanks. That pic was in a lot of articles this morning about LeBron.

[quote]Carnage wrote:
Amare Stoudemire must feel very lonesome in NY.[/quote]

Yeah, NY just traded David Lee, too.

I wonder is NY or NJ or one of the other teams with a shedload of cap room might be interested in Gilbert Arenas. He’s gonna be earning 20 mill a year on average for the next few years, but if he can comeback from what happened maybe it could be worth it for a team in desperate need of an attraction. Washington’s looking to unload him and focus on John Wall as the new franchise player.

I don’t know if he can help a team win, and he seems like a me first kind of player, and in a bad way, but if he gets close to what he was doing at his peak that’s at least reason for fans to show up. It’s one thing to be a bad team, it’s another to be a bad team with no star attraction.

Maybe New York will get him…they like overpaid me first players. That doesn’t bode well for Amare though, if his PG is a guy like Arenas.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Alright, several things:

  1. LeBron needs a speech coach. Said ‘umm’ and ‘process’ way too much

  2. MIA won’t win any championships with these three guys. You have three guys in their prime all want to take shots. Heck, Bron and Wade will probably take 50+ shots per game between the two of them. Bosh seems like a wingman, so he’ll be good. Interested to see how D-Wade and LBJ will work things out (Wade saying ‘you came to MY team’ vs. LBJ saying 'I’m the man, it’s my show now). I see the Heat being regular season champs, but losing in the playoffs.

  3. LeBron is very very full of himself (nothing new here).

  4. The gesture at the end to donate money and scholarships was nice, but LeBron finishing off by saying ‘there’s probably another LeBron in this group’ added to his arrogance.

  5. The Heat have a somewhat decent (albeit) young squad with Beasley and Chalmers, plus if their rooks pan out (Butler, Pittman, Varnado) they have an ok squad. The Heat will probably have to sign Kimbo Slice and Dan Marino to come off the bench.[/quote]

I think the Heat are ultimately the best team in the NBA right. We were all talking about how Kobe wanted redemption for Boston’s 2008 championship, so we shouldnt ignore the sense of motivation and redemption 'bron, Bosh and Wade are going to have. I believe they will figure it out. They have some of the best management in the NBA in Miami and now they have the best players. I think players are going to be begging to play down there in ‘south beach.’

Laker’s latest three-peat cluster chances just got STOMPED.[/quote]

You really do say some stupid shit. They need a lot more than these three to get to a championship; never mind potential chemistry issues, ego issues (Lebron), etc.

Lakers will threepeat next year. Miami won’t even make it out of the east.

I’m not sold on the Lakers 3-peating, though I do think they will. But, I’m positive the Heat don’t make it out of the East. There’s just too many variables and too many things that can go horribly wrong for things to work out smoothly.

Everyone is just sucking the Heats collective dicks off right now cause they got those three guys. Remember the past couple olympics (not counting this most recent one) where we had every basketball superstar on the planet together to form the modern version of the dream team and we were getting beat by European D-Leaguers and one NBA star guy?

Putting these guys together doesnt guarantee anything except more ticket and jersey sails and a shit load of hype/expectations to live up to.

.greg.