What is Lebron supposed to say? Wade get out of my way its title time? Your ignorance is off the charts if you believe he was supposed to say anything else.
I’m keeping this one haha. Randman you’re so dumb you really can’t understand what loco is saying.
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[quote]Douchebag and shithead wrote:
How good was Kobe when he had to play with crap players? The kwame brown and smush parker years that team went no where.
Shhhhh. Randman doesn’t want to talk about how Kobe couldn’t win 50 games without Shaq or Gasol.
Kobe’s alpha though bro. Totally fucking Alpha![/quote]
And we have another snake coming out of the woodwork. Umm ok. Once again. Kobe also had a shit sandwich of a support cast pre-Gasol days. Absolutely. He needed a good #2 go to guy and that was Gasol. What’s the controversy here? I’ve never said otherwise. Go back and reread everyone of my posts and I’ve never said you could win on your own.
The criticism of Lebron for the ten thousandth time is that he is not nor will be an Alpha Dog on a Dwayne Wade team. He couldn’t lead his team with 66 wins to a championship and he will not lead Wade’s team to a championship.
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He didn’t just need Pau. He needed Fish back, Bynum, Odom, and this last season Artest. So don’t even play that bullshit like it’s Kobe and Pau on any team and shazam championship. Neither is good enough to carry a team.
Drewh=sardines12=el pollo loco
I’m almost sure of it. Right after I call him out for his lane trolling ways and how it’s not funny cause everyone knows it’s a troll job then pops up el pollo. The post right at the same times and neither of them adressed my accusation of them being the same person
I already said I am drew but I am not pollo. Far be it for someone to disagree with you. Jtrinsey disagrees I guess that’s me too.
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[ That’s worse than when athletes call themselves “soldiers”. These people need to be more aware of their place in society. They’re entetainers. Highly paid entertainers[/quote]
yeah I cant stand that stuff man. Especially UFC fighter guys who say they’re “warriors.” “going to war.” “In a battle out there” I hate that shit. you’re not a fucking warrior going to war. Thats kind of a slap in the face to the real warriors who are overseas bleeding and dying so that these athletes can sit back here in the US and get paid a lot of money to play a sport. Its definitely a pet peeve of mine from since I’ve actually spent quite a bit of time overseas and seen/done things these “warriors” couldn’t even comprehend… Such bullshit.
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Bad misinformed rant. Fighters ARE going to war. People die in the ring. People become permanently disabled in the ring. There is another man attempting to do you harm. Yes sir, it is war. It is combat. Period.[/quote]
bullshit… complete bullshit. You are wrong sir. they are highly paid entertainers not warriors.
here are the definitions of the words:
War:
noun
a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state
Combat:
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fighting between armed forces [/quote]
LOL well you are entitled to your opinion. Combat does not have to armed. You are nit picking. A man risks his life stepping in the ring. I take it you have never tasted such combat, or you wouldn’t speak as you do. Entertainment? Yes, to you, the fan sitting at home or in the cheap seats, but the men you’re watching are risking health and potentially life. And that sir, is a fact, not opinion. They have 11 year olds in Africa who will pick up and fire a AK47 and kill quite well. I’m not sure I’d term them “warriors”.[/quote]
People risk their lives all the time that doesn’t make them warriors. Race car drivers die more often than fighters do but they aren’t warriors.
I’ve been in real “combat” situations before, know friends who have been shot, blown up and killed in a real war… And I take it you’ve never tasted such combat?
Call it my opinion if you’d like but I think it’s a little disrespectful to the real warriors out there when a prize fighter trys to say they are a warrior.
According to the Random House Dictionary, the term warrior has two meanings. The first literal use refers to “someone engaged or experienced in warfare.” The second figurative use refers to “a person who shows or has shown great vigor, courage, or aggressiveness, as in politics or athletics.”
It’s like the word fag, I think Gregron is a fag but I don’t literally think he is a homo, However I literally mean Randman is a fag when I call him one.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Lets be honest, even if Lebron delivered in Cleveland and in the rest of his career he would never be chosen as the undisputed GOAT. Or will Kobe or any other player for the simple fact there will always be a huge camp that says MJ is and will always be the GOAT.
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You still don’t understand the angle of where the harsh criticism comes from? Hmmm…Maybe it’s Lebron James self-proclaiming himself a KING. How bout how much he talks about himself in the 3rd person? How bout thousands of people that initially swooned over this guy when he first came into the league like he was already GOAT without winning anything yet? He and his clones and every fan who gets a hard-on waiting to crown the next GOAT was behind the setup for this avalanche of criticism. Did that ever occur to you?
The criticism is well justified and well founded. Don’t even mention GOAT or anything close to it and Lebron James in the same sentence after his career and career choices thus far. That conversation is dead…for good.[/quote]
There was this guy in the past named King James OH SHIT!!! I wonder if that’s where his nickname came from.[/quote]
And also he’s had this nickname since HIGH SCHOOL. You make it sound as if the day he stepped into the NBA he self-proclaimed himself the best player by having that nickname…No.
And this is James’s fault if people are stupid enough to do this? My point is still valid, the man just wants to win championships, he has no interest in living up to the ridiculous expectations put upon him.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]el pollo loco wrote:
What is Lebron supposed to say? Wade get out of my way its title time? Your ignorance is off the charts if you believe he was supposed to say anything else.
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I don’t even know what point your trying to make here. So ummm…ok.
The only one who says his supporting cast was terrible is you. You don’t have a 66 win season with a terrible supporting cast. In fact, you’re the favorite to win a championship yet the leader couldn’t lead so it didn’t happen. Lebron’s a follower, not a leader.
Yes, what part of “shit sandwich” for role players didn’t you understand? It still sounds like you’re trying to make a comparison between Wade’s supporting cast and Lebron’s the last few years. It’s not even close. Lebron’s supporting cast was way better. Stop trying to say otherwise. No one will agree with you on this very weak point. And you’re using this as the argument to say Wade ain’t nobody. Ok, a majority of sports fans out there all agree it’s Wade’s team, he won the championship as the lead dog, and he’s still one of the most talented players in the league. Your opinion is worthless.
Actually, it’s appropriate. And I guess dozens of sports analysts out there who write sports articles for a living are all way off base too because they have also used this analogy. Do I need to provide you with links to make my point or can you find them on your own? It’s obvious you don’t do much sports reading or listen to sports radio because these are not new novel ideas I’m sharing here.
I live with a die hard Yankees fan. She and every other Yankee fan will say it’s “Jeter’s team”. He’s their leader, not Arod. My point is even made further since you’re right, a single player in baseball does have less impact than in basektball and yet Yankee fans and many casual baseball fans still say it’s Jeter’s team, which means he’s the undisputed leader.
Yes, Arod was and is the better player than Jeter. But Jeter will have a special and much higher place in Yankees lore than Arod will by a long shot.
Dude, are you dense? I’ve already referenced the fact that Lebron himself says he’s glad he will not be the main scoring option, the guy who will have the ball at the end of the game in his hands. It will be Wade. Wade is the alpha of that team. The “Jeter” of the Yankees. Gaybron = Gayrod.
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Wade owns miami till Lebron pops off a triple double an shows that he is the best player on the planet.[/quote]
Did you just say “he is the best player on the planet” after he rips off a triple double??? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! We are all witnesses!!!
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With quotes like this it is apparent you regurgitate everything ESPN says. In the end results will speak for themselves. It is not like Lebron is the first MVP to bolt for another team in the NBA. LeBron James had one of the best individual series, if not the best, from a statistical perspective against the Orlando Magic in the ECF in 2009. The team lost.
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If he wanted to get past Boston he should have developed a better outside game. Boston’s D is perfect for stopping people trying to score from closer to the net, but they have no answer for good outside shooting. And anyone who say the last two games of that series knew that this was a man who was not confident him his shooting. He couldn’t score in the paint but he kept going there and resorted to some bad passes to get himself out of trouble.[/quote]
The above is wrong. Lebron lacks a midrange game. Every time he shoot from distance, he takes the pressure off the defense. He is either a 3 point shooter or heading to the hole. What he doesn’t do well is put a defender on his heels and pull up with a reliable 12 footer, or put a defender on his heels and draw a double and pass. HE NEEDS TO ASK SANTA FOR A MIDRANGE GAME TO BE BETTER. His outside shot is respectable. And obviously he can get to the hole - not anytime he wants, but nothing that smacks of “needing improvement”. An even better outside shot just makes his problem worse - letting the D off the hook. Which would you rather have to do? Get a hand in the face of an outside shooter or, defend that marvelous athlete against all 3 options?[/quote]
That’s what I meant, I must have worded it wrong. He needs a good mid-range shot AND he needs to have more confidence in his 3’s. He has a below average mid range shot and in his series against Boston he seemed afraid to take a jump shot, even from long range. I remember in the last game he made two straight 3s in a short span, then missed one and never took another jump shot.
And he really couldn’t do anything inside against Boston. They are too good at stopping people driving to the hole, and when the calls weren’t in James’ favour all he could do was make bad passes. Anybody who watched that series knew that by the last two games James [and a few others on the Cavs] could barely get a good shot close to the net and were looking at the refs to make calls. [/quote]
I don’t mean to quibble, but he doesn’t lack a good mid range shot. He is capable of hitting the 12 footer, or anywhere else for that matter. What he lacks is a MID RANGE GAME; putting a defender on his heels and making him play D and putting pressure on the rest of the team to play help defense. If he develops that ability, he will be unstoppable, and indefensible - and he will put a ton of pressure on the defense. Right now, every time he settles for that long jump shot (which of course is sometimes appropriate if its there and in the flow of the offense), he let’s the defense and the defender off the hook. If I were coaching, I’d settle for Lebron shooting those shots all day - not b/c he won’t make them, but because there is a big difference from him scoring 30 from downtown, and scoring 30 all over the court and putting the defense to tough decisions. Understand?
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You’ve made some great points that I never thought of :). I think a lot of what you said ties into that post WhiteFlash made in the Playoff thread where he mentioned most teams said they had a harder time preparing to defend Kobe than LeBron.
Post more here :D.
NY’s Big 3 dreams have just gotten more realistic:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/13659617/new-hornets-brass-already-facing-crisis-with-paul
Chris Paul wants a trade, to either the New York Knicks, the Orlando Magic, or the Los Angeles Lakers. Keep in mind, the Hornets are desperate to cut costs as apparently they aren’t making enough money. That means all three of these teams could get Paul for next to nothing. I don’t think I like a championship squad making too many changes to their roster, and Orlando has to be getting close to the point where they can’t spend any more on players, so I think New York are the front runners in this.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
He didn’t just need Pau. He needed Fish back, Bynum, Odom, and this last season Artest. So don’t even play that bullshit like it’s Kobe and Pau on any team and shazam championship. Neither is good enough to carry a team.[/quote]
Umm…yes. Once again. I’ve never said otherwise. For the ten thousandth time. Kobe is the defacto leader on that team. Kobe is the leader on that team. Kobe is the leader on that team.
Lebron is Arod. Wade is Jeter. Miami is Wade’s team. Wade is the leader on that team. Why do you keep trying to twist arguments that aren’t being made?
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And also he’s had this nickname since HIGH SCHOOL. You make it sound as if the day he stepped into the NBA he self-proclaimed himself the best player by having that nickname…No.
And this is James’s fault if people are stupid enough to do this? My point is still valid, the man just wants to win championships, he has no interest in living up to the ridiculous expectations put upon him.
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You are picking apart specifics but missing the bigger meaning. This guy has acted like he’s the second coming since high school. Who the fuck calls themselves “King”? He talks about himself in the third person. He’s all show but can’t back it up from a leadership position. He talks way too fucking much and all the criticism he’s getting now is not surprising whatsoever.
[quote]el pollo loco wrote:
With quotes like this it is apparent you regurgitate everything ESPN says. In the end results will speak for themselves. It is not like Lebron is the first MVP to bolt for another team in the NBA. LeBron James had one of the best individual series, if not the best, from a statistical perspective against the Orlando Magic in the ECF in 2009. The team lost. [/quote]
It’s called being well read. They are also all my own opinions. Again, nothing special here. I’m sure if you open up your eyes and ears you’ll hear this same stuff all over the place. Hell, THE GOAT, Jordan himself as well as Magic have both criticized James for the move. Who should I listen to here? The actual GOAT who knows what it takes to get there or some dipshit on the Internet?
By the way, I’m not criticizing that he left Cleveland for the last time. I understand the guy is a stat machine and I’m not arguing that point either. The missing ingredient for him (that I’ve said all along) is leadership. Again, if he went to Chicago (for example) I wouldn’t criticize him for crap. That team was ready made for him to lead but he didn’t want to lead. He wanted to follow. That’s why he joined Wade.
Alright here’s a fig leaf. Here is a video tribute to Lebron.
[quote]randman wrote:
Yes, Arod was and is the better player than Jeter. But Jeter will have a special and much higher place in Yankees lore than Arod will by a long shot.[/quote]
Yes but ARod will go down as the greater player in baseball lore and there is a good chance that, by the time his career finishes, he will in the conversation with Ruth/Bonds/Mays/Williams as possibly the GOAT. Jeter will not.
That is the difference you are missing. Wade is a great player, no doubt, but Lebron is better. Wade’s ceiling is to be a top-30, maybe top-20 player. Lebron’s ceiling is to go down as the greatest of all-time. Now, before you start freaking out, remember that I’ve already stated that I think Lebron’s is going to compare much more with Shaq (freakish physical gifts, a couple holes in the game that were never fixed, too much of a nice guy and too interested in other things to truly take the crown, and ultimately considered in the 8-13 range by most) than MJ. But the potential is there.
So really, the ARod/Jeter comparison is apt, but I don’t think that it’s making the point you think it’s making. There is a slight, but still existent, chance that after everything, ARod will be remembered as the greatest baseball player of all-time. There is no chance that Jeter will, regardless of his place in Yankee lore. Ditto for Lebron and Wade.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Yes but ARod will go down as the greater player in baseball lore and there is a good chance that, by the time his career finishes, he will in the conversation with Ruth/Bonds/Mays/Williams as possibly the GOAT. Jeter will not.
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You’re kidding me, right? ARod will not even be close as the the greatest player in baseball lore. Everyone is freaking yawning right now over him getting close to 600 home runs. No one cares. He was a cheat for many years. He’s not in the the Ruth/Mays/Williams discussion. I’m not even putting Bonds in there. You don’t know baseball, do you?
Now you’ve really done it. Lebron’s ceiling the GOAT??? After we’ve been discussing this ad nauseum how that conversation is completely out the window now. Lebron IS more talented. Dr. J was freaking talented. But he’s not in the top ten players of all time. What Dr. J. and Lebron lack is the leadership, the killer instinct, the ability to make all of their teammates better. You have got to be kidding me. This guy hasn’t won shit being the leader of any team and he won’t be on Miami even if they do win which is not guaranteed. Lebron couldn’t fucking shine Jordan’s shoes. You’re exactly the type of nauseating fan I’m talking about. Ready to crown Lebron the fucking GOAT when he hasn’t done shit. Get the fuck out of here.
I’m tired of hearing about potential with this guy. Potential doesn’t mean shit. He actually subverted his full potential by taking the load off of his shoulders as a leader to ride Wade’s coattails.
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So really, the ARod/Jeter comparison is apt, but I don’t think that it’s making the point you think it’s making. There is a slight, but still existent, chance that after everything, ARod will be remembered as the greatest baseball player of all-time. There is no chance that Jeter will, regardless of his place in Yankee lore. Ditto for Lebron and Wade.[/quote]
Dude, you are insane. Go poll a half a dozen real baseball fans and they will also tell you you are seriously fucked in the head if you are actually thinking Arod will be the GOAT of baseball. You’ve done lost your mind. Fucking insane dude, seriously.
A-Rod does stand a great chance of going down as GOAT. Most people I know will agree with that and most commentators and writers do, too. People are also saying the same for Pujols, but not as much [yet].
Thing is, baseball is a sport that is all about the stats, in in baseball’s case rightfully so. I don’t think you can make a great comparison there.
Baseball and basketball are very different but I don’t think ARod will go down as GOAT because of the whole steroids thing. I mean how can you have your sports GOAT be an admitted steroid user and thus a “cheater”?
Honestly I could really care less if someone does or did take steroids but the fact that he got caught will tarnish his legacy a bit or at least prevent him from reaching GOAT status IMO.
Basketball is lucky that people don’t think steroids helps them. Every other sport has to deal with athletes taking steroids but not basketball which is lucky for them
Did anyone else catch the part in Jordans interview where he said that he and players like him (magic, bird) think about how they’d do in today’s game. How he wished he could come back to compete against today’s great players to see how they would do? And when he mentioned the great players of today LBJ wasn’t mentioned?
I thought that was another little jab and LeBron. Everyone knows about MJ’s grudge holding (especially after his HOF speech) and I bet he doesn’t like James for even being mentioned as the possible GOAT. I bet Jordan thinks he’d wipe the floor with LBJ… Gotta love that competitive spirit lol.
I thought that was pretty funny
[quote]gregron wrote:
Did anyone else catch the part in Jordans interview where he said that he and players like him (magic, bird) think about how they’d do in today’s game. How he wished he could come back to compete against today’s great players to see how they would do? And when he mentioned the great players of today LBJ wasn’t mentioned?
I thought that was another little jab and LeBron. Everyone knows about MJ’s grudge holding (especially after his HOF speech) and I bet he doesn’t like James for even being mentioned as the possible GOAT. I bet Jordan thinks he’d wipe the floor with LBJ… Gotta love that competitive spirit lol.
I thought that was pretty funny [/quote]
I think it’s fairly well known that Jordan doesn’t think too highly of James. There’s been several things over the years like what you just mentioned that make it seem like he just doesn’t like the guy. Here’s a few vids for y’all-
And this is probably the best vid on youtube-
