that last video was sweet. MJ obviously had a lot of sick dunks but some of his layups were absolutely ridiculous! some of that shit was unbelievable
they’re talking on ESPN how CP3 is leaning towards going to Orlando in a trade. That would be pretty insane to have CP3 running things down in Orlando… Could you imagine how many alley oops Howard would get every game?
[quote]gregron wrote:
that last video was sweet. MJ obviously had a lot of sick dunks but some of his layups were absolutely ridiculous! some of that shit was unbelievable [/quote]
His ability to manufacture a shot when it looked like he was trapped was insane. As much as a love Kobe’s game, Jordan will always be the GOAT.
[quote]gregron wrote:
they’re talking on ESPN how CP3 is leaning towards going to Orlando in a trade. That would be pretty insane to have CP3 running things down in Orlando… Could you imagine how many alley oops Howard would get every game?[/quote]
If that happens Miami’s in serious trouble.
I hope it’s NY. But CP3 in Orlando, the crosstown rivalry would be interesting.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
A-Rod does stand a great chance of going down as GOAT. Most people I know will agree with that and most commentators and writers do, too. People are also saying the same for Pujols, but not as much [yet].
Thing is, baseball is a sport that is all about the stats, in in baseball’s case rightfully so. I don’t think you can make a great comparison there. [/quote]
Larry, you are out of your mind. I live and hang out with diehard baseball fans. I just polled a few and when I asked the question whether ARod could go down as GOAT, they all had the same reaction. They laughed.
Who the hell is saying he can be GOAT? I’m looking for proof now and I’m calling bullshit on your conjecture. Pujols has potential. Arod, no fucking way.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
that last video was sweet. MJ obviously had a lot of sick dunks but some of his layups were absolutely ridiculous! some of that shit was unbelievable [/quote]
His ability to manufacture a shot when it looked like he was trapped was insane. As much as a love Kobe’s game, Jordan will always be the GOAT.[/quote]
Yeah I like Kobe too but he is no MJ. No one will be. (the whole time I was watching that video i was thinking… Damn Kobe and LeBron cant/dont do that shit)
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
they’re talking on ESPN how CP3 is leaning towards going to Orlando in a trade. That would be pretty insane to have CP3 running things down in Orlando… Could you imagine how many alley oops Howard would get every game?[/quote]
If that happens Miami’s in serious trouble.[/quote]
Yeah I think Miami would be in some serious trouble (depending on who Orlando would have to trade to get CP3 in this hypothetical trade)
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
I hope it’s NY. But CP3 in Orlando, the crosstown rivalry would be interesting.[/quote]
Yeah I would like to see CP3 and Melo team up in NY after their contracts expire but wouldnt it be cool if Paul goes to Orlando till then? That would be some good NBA drama (not like they need anymore)
David Stern has to be shitting his pants at the thought of all these moves and team up potentials
I assume it would be a package of Jameer Nelson and some shooters. The Hornets seem to really like Darren Collison and believe he can fill Paul’s shoes, to a degree. The problem there is that Nelson gets stuck out either way. There’s been a lot of talk over the last few years that Nelson isn’t a starting pg in the NBA. The guy gets shit on for no real reason really. He’s helped Orlando to two great regular seasons and [aside from the Finals year where he was injured] some deep playoff berths. With that, if you got a chance to get Chris Paul you gotta pull the trigger.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I assume it would be a package of Jameer Nelson and some shooters. The Hornets seem to really like Darren Collison and believe he can fill Paul’s shoes, to a degree. The problem there is that Nelson gets stuck out either way. There’s been a lot of talk over the last few years that Nelson isn’t a starting pg in the NBA. The guy gets shit on for no real reason really. He’s helped Orlando to two great regular seasons and [aside from the Finals year where he was injured] some deep playoff berths. With that, if you got a chance to get Chris Paul you gotta pull the trigger. [/quote]
1 good season not 2 do you even follow the nba. I am starting to doubt your knowledge on basketball. I am an expert.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I assume it would be a package of Jameer Nelson and some shooters. The Hornets seem to really like Darren Collison and believe he can fill Paul’s shoes, to a degree. The problem there is that Nelson gets stuck out either way. There’s been a lot of talk over the last few years that Nelson isn’t a starting pg in the NBA. The guy gets shit on for no real reason really. He’s helped Orlando to two great regular seasons and [aside from the Finals year where he was injured] some deep playoff berths. With that, if you got a chance to get Chris Paul you gotta pull the trigger. [/quote]
I don’t understand that criticism. Jameer Nelson has absolutely killed the Lakers the last couple of years (except when he was coming back from being hurt in the finals 2 yrs ago). He’s got mad skillz so I don’t understand it. That being said, yes, if you can get Chris Paul you have to pull the trigger.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
A-Rod does stand a great chance of going down as GOAT. Most people I know will agree with that and most commentators and writers do, too. People are also saying the same for Pujols, but not as much [yet].
Thing is, baseball is a sport that is all about the stats, in in baseball’s case rightfully so. I don’t think you can make a great comparison there. [/quote]
Larry, you are out of your mind. I live and hang out with diehard baseball fans. I just polled a few and when I asked the question whether ARod could go down as GOAT, they all had the same reaction. They laughed.
Who the hell is saying he can be GOAT? I’m looking for proof now and I’m calling bullshit on your conjecture. Pujols has potential. Arod, no fucking way.[/quote]
The people I know all acknowledge A-Rod’s potential to be the best. I’m not going out of my way to find stuff, but if I come across one incidentally I’ll be sure to post it here. I like to think I’ve made an impression so that it doesn’t look like I’m pulling things out of my ass :D.
Pujols and A-Rod have had very similar careers, except A-Rod has done it longer. No doubt if Pujols isn’t being considered now he will be in a couple of years. The only thing that really stood in the way of A-Rod getting any recognition as one of the best ever is his performance in October, but last year he finally figured it out. Even the steroids thing didn’t hurt him much.
A few more years like that and it’ll be hard to deny he’s up there. He’s already on pace to break a few career offensive records barring injury, and baseball is about the stats. People can hate on A-Rod all they want but it’s gonna be hard to argue if he finishes his career the way it looks like he will.
Haven’t really read what everyone has said about Orlando and Paul [skimmed it], but keep in mind the Hornets are in deep financial shit, and probably want to give Paul up for nothing. I remember this off-season the Paul trade rumours started because of that–IIRC wasn’t New Jersey trying to get him to lure LeBron? Or was that New York. Both of those teams had nothing to offer except draft picks and the dreaded ‘trade exception’.
So if he goes to the Magic, it may not mean the Hornets are getting Nelson, who I think is earning good money, too.
Also I was under the impression he wanted to go to NY the most, and the Magic were his second option.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
The people I know all acknowledge A-Rod’s potential to be the best. I’m not going out of my way to find stuff, but if I come across one incidentally I’ll be sure to post it here. I like to think I’ve made an impression so that it doesn’t look like I’m pulling things out of my ass :D.
Pujols and A-Rod have had very similar careers, except A-Rod has done it longer. No doubt if Pujols isn’t being considered now he will be in a couple of years. The only thing that really stood in the way of A-Rod getting any recognition as one of the best ever is his performance in October, but last year he finally figured it out. Even the steroids thing didn’t hurt him much.
A few more years like that and it’ll be hard to deny he’s up there. He’s already on pace to break a few career offensive records barring injury, and baseball is about the stats. People can hate on A-Rod all they want but it’s gonna be hard to argue if he finishes his career the way it looks like he will. [/quote]
I can’t believe we are even debating this. Arod will never ever be even close to be considered anywhere near Babe Ruth. Let’s just pick this guy out alone. They are in different universes. You and your people don’t seem to have a good sens of baseball history and where players ranks and why. I’m not even going to start this debate with you. Arod won’t even be considered the greatest Yankee when it is all said and done, never mind GOAT. Again, you and your people are out of your mind.
Stop getting all of your fodder from ESPN. ESPN likes to exploit the present for news and claim people the Greatest Ever. They did it with Arod when he first came out and they did it with Lebron. Both times they have been WAY off. Don’t even talk to me about this ridiculous argument anymore. It’s not even an argument. I’m actually embarrassed for you that you are trying to put forth this as a valid argument.
You seem to be making the same mistake others do regarding stats as the only determination of where you rank in the GOAT discussion (whether it’s baseball, basketball, etc) In baseball, it’s not only stats, it’s how do you hold yourself as a player? Have you ever cheated the sport for multiple years? How many championships have you won where you led the team? How has your performance in October ranked year after year after year? Were you even considered the leader on your own team? Did you master two positions like Babe Ruth did? No one in history was a great pitcher and a great hitter. Did you ever see The Natural? That was based on Babe Ruth. Arod? Puhleeze.
Steinbrenner has only made a couple of players in his Yankee tenure captains of the team. I know Donny baseball was one and Derek Jeter was the other. So Arod can put up all the stats that he wants (like the Dr J of baseball - super talented, no leader) and it ain’t going to make a difference.
There are lies, damn lies and statistics. If you start slicing and dicing ARod’s performance when it counts. It’s pathetic. Last year was the first year he started turning that around and that’s after the Yankees surrounded him with another $500 million dollars worth of players. Having Texeira batting in front of him took a LOT of pressure of Arod. So don’t go here with me.
You are so far off on this. Please, stop, now.
Babe Ruth as a Pitcher
Ruth spent only five months with the Orioles before he was sold to the Boston Red Sox. During three seasons in Boston, Ruth was primarily a pitcher. In his first World Series, he pitched 29 2/3rds scoreless innings, breaking Christy Mathewson’s record and setting a mark that would stand for 43 years. The Red Sox won the World Series that year and again in 1918. In three regular seasons, Ruth had compiled a record of 94 wins and 46 losses, but despite his stellar performance as a pitcher, he was already developing a greater reputation as a hitter. He played some outfield and some first base during the 1918 season. Playing exclusively outfield for the first time in 1919, he set the major league record with 29 home runs, but the Red Sox finished far behind in the pennant race.
Babe Ruth as a Hitter
Babe Ruth is rated as the greatest player of all time and his 1921 season may be the best offensive season any player ever produced. Babe hit .378 with 59 home runs, 171 RBIs, a .512 on base average and an incredible 846 slugging average. He walked 145 times and struck out 81 times. His teammate, Lou Gehrig, had a 1927 season that was almost as good.
No one and I mean NO ONE will come close to Babe Ruth’s claim as the GOAT of baseball. This guy mastered pitching and hitting like no other. AROD? You done lost your mind.
Lakers sign Theo Ratliff:
The guy is 37 but he has a good defensive presence, he’s big, and he will definitely round out the bench and provide some key minutes. Good signing for the veteran’s minimum.
Also, Matt Barnes is seriously considering the Lakers. After the sign and trade fell through between Orlando and Toronto, Cleveland is offering between $3 and $4 mil for 3 years and Barnes is saying either raise it if I’m going to play for a non-championship contender or I’ll sign with the Lakers for $1.77 million. We’ll find out Friday whether he chases the money or the championship.
That would be awesome if they got Barnes. What’s up with dudes who start shit with Bryant now wanting to play on his squad?
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
The people I know all acknowledge A-Rod’s potential to be the best. I’m not going out of my way to find stuff, but if I come across one incidentally I’ll be sure to post it here. I like to think I’ve made an impression so that it doesn’t look like I’m pulling things out of my ass :D.
Pujols and A-Rod have had very similar careers, except A-Rod has done it longer. No doubt if Pujols isn’t being considered now he will be in a couple of years. The only thing that really stood in the way of A-Rod getting any recognition as one of the best ever is his performance in October, but last year he finally figured it out. Even the steroids thing didn’t hurt him much.
A few more years like that and it’ll be hard to deny he’s up there. He’s already on pace to break a few career offensive records barring injury, and baseball is about the stats. People can hate on A-Rod all they want but it’s gonna be hard to argue if he finishes his career the way it looks like he will. [/quote]
I can’t believe we are even debating this. Arod will never ever be even close to be considered anywhere near Babe Ruth. Let’s just pick this guy out alone. They are in different universes. You and your people don’t seem to have a good sens of baseball history and where players ranks and why. I’m not even going to start this debate with you. Arod won’t even be considered the greatest Yankee when it is all said and done, never mind GOAT. Again, you and your people are out of your mind.
Stop getting all of your fodder from ESPN. ESPN likes to exploit the present for news and claim people the Greatest Ever. They did it with Arod when he first came out and they did it with Lebron. Both times they have been WAY off. Don’t even talk to me about this ridiculous argument anymore. It’s not even an argument. I’m actually embarrassed for you that you are trying to put forth this as a valid argument.
You seem to be making the same mistake others do regarding stats as the only determination of where you rank in the GOAT discussion (whether it’s baseball, basketball, etc) In baseball, it’s not only stats, it’s how do you hold yourself as a player? Have you ever cheated the sport for multiple years? How many championships have you won where you led the team? How has your performance in October ranked year after year after year? Were you even considered the leader on your own team? Did you master two positions like Babe Ruth did? No one in history was a great pitcher and a great hitter. Did you ever see The Natural? That was based on Babe Ruth. Arod? Puhleeze.
Steinbrenner has only made a couple of players in his Yankee tenure captains of the team. I know Donny baseball was one and Derek Jeter was the other. So Arod can put up all the stats that he wants (like the Dr J of baseball - super talented, no leader) and it ain’t going to make a difference.
There are lies, damn lies and statistics. If you start slicing and dicing ARod’s performance when it counts. It’s pathetic. Last year was the first year he started turning that around and that’s after the Yankees surrounded him with another $500 million dollars worth of players. Having Texeira batting in front of him took a LOT of pressure of Arod. So don’t go here with me.
You are so far off on this. Please, stop, now.[/quote]
LOL
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That would be awesome if they got Barnes. What’s up with dudes who start shit with Bryant now wanting to play on his squad?[/quote]
I freakin love it! Man, the Lakers already were a great defensive team last year. This year with or without Barrnes, they are going to be approaching the 08 Celtics in terms of defense in my opinion. I really think they can get to that level. Especially if they get Barnes as well.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That would be awesome if they got Barnes. What’s up with dudes who start shit with Bryant now wanting to play on his squad?[/quote]
I freakin love it! Man, the Lakers already were a great defensive team last year. This year with or without Barrnes, they are going to be approaching the 08 Celtics in terms of defense in my opinion. I really think they can get to that level. Especially if they get Barnes as well.[/quote]
I like what the Lakers are doing this off-season. Nothing “big”, but a lot of quality pickups. Barnes will bring almost exactly what they lost when Ariza left, minus some dunks but adding a little better man D. They are gonna be tough to beat.