NBA Free Agency/Offseason: The Return

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
I’m not sure if Orlando will match TO’s offer for Barnes, they said something on TSN but I missed it.[/quote]

Yeah I read about this a while ago. Apparently a snag in the deal somewhere, but details not provided. Deal not finalized yet.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
LA Lakers
San Fancisco 49ers
USC Trojans
and San Diego Chargers… (its ok to have two favorite NFL teams because they’re in different Conferences)

San Fran was my first team when I started watching football when I was 9 and when I moved to SD I started to follow the Chargers. So since I live here and go to games every year SD has become a favorite team of mine… but the 49ers are still my favorite NFL team[/quote]

What a fricken Socialist.[/quote]
What a fricken Hater. :)[/quote]

I feel the love in here :slight_smile:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Kobe Bryant Deadlocks Tiger Woods as America’s Favorite Sports Star

[quote]NEW YORK (AP) – Tiger Woods has dropped into a tie with Kobe Bryant as the favorite American sports star.

Woods had held the position alone since 2006, but the Los Angeles Lakers guard moved up from fourth last year to grab a share of the top spot, Harris Interactive said Tuesday.

LeBron James dropped from third to sixth in the company’s survey of 2,227 adults conducted online from June 14-21, before he left Cleveland to sign with Miami. Retired NBA star Michael Jordan fell from second to seventh.

Yankees captain Derek Jeter moved up one spot to third and quarterback Brett Favre went from ninth to fourth. Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning was fifth, up from seventh.

New England quarterback Tom Brady, who failed to make the top 10 last year, returned at No. 8, followed by New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees and NASCAR’s Dale Earnhardt Jr.

NASCAR’s Jeff Gordon and St. Louis first baseman Albert Pujols dropped out of the top 10.

Among female athletes, sisters Serena and Venus Williams were 1-2, followed by race car driver Danica Patrick, retired soccer star Mia Hamm and tennis stars Maria Sharapova and Anna Kournikova.

Volleyball player Misty May-Treanor was tied for seventh with gymnast Shawn Johnson, basketball player Lisa Leslie was ninth, and retired tennis players Billie Jean King and Martina Navratilova were tied for 10th.

Dropping out of the top 10 were basketball’s Candace Parker, golfer Annika Sorenstam, former tennis star Chris Evert and skater Michelle Kwan. [/quote]

http://www.fanhouse.com/2010/07/20/kobe-deadlocks-tiger-as-americas-favorite-sports-star/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002

Guess that goes to show you how important winning [and banging white women] is. While I think Tiger’s conquest of the past year outweigh Kobe’s, I’m still impressed at how much his popularity has bounced back from it’s low in the middle of the 00s. [/quote]

HAHA! Yeah in this case, winning > women.

Yeah it’s nice to see Kobe with a comeback. It’s almost as people forgot about the rape incident. Winning cures everything.

How Favre went from ninth to fourth, no clue.

Winning! That’s what people care about… At least that’s what LeBron is banking on lol

Jeremy Lin update: close to signing with GSW

Magic Johnson agrees with Micheal Jordan: Joining with Larry Bird, Michael Jordan not an option

“We didn’t think about it 'cause that’s not what we were about,” Johnson said at Baruch College in New York, according to Bloomberg News. “From college, I was trying to figure out how to beat Larry Bird.”

NEWS: The smartest retraction move of the FA period: Richard Jefferon re-signs with SAS for the $15M he was guaranteed this coming season.

[quote]gregron wrote:
Magic Johnson agrees with Micheal Jordan: Joining with Larry Bird, Michael Jordan not an option

“We didn’t think about it 'cause that’s not what we were about,” Johnson said at Baruch College in New York, according to Bloomberg News. “From college, I was trying to figure out how to beat Larry Bird.”[/quote]

So I wonder if we’ll hear from Bird.

My guess is no.

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Nice!! Rolling over to a second page!

So who do you guys think are the biggest winners/losers so far in the FA period?

Winners: Pat Riley, Wesley Matthews, Amir Johnson, Drew Gooden, Bulls, Mavs

Losers: Richard Jefferson, Amar’e Stoudemire (if no one joins him in NY), Bobcats[/quote]

I don’t think NY is a loser. They always had a back up plan and have the cap room for the next two years. There is a good chance of signing Melo and that point guard. They are already talking about it. I’ve followed their plan in the NY Post since they started shedding players and contracts and they’ve always acknowledged LeBron may not come there. They do have a back up plan. Now their plan is extended a season or two.

^^yeah probably not.

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
NEWS: The smartest retraction move of the FA period: Richard Jefferon re-signs with SAS for the $15M he was guaranteed this coming season.[/quote]

Haha. But why did SA do it?

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
If he wanted to get past Boston he should have developed a better outside game. Boston’s D is perfect for stopping people trying to score from closer to the net, but they have no answer for good outside shooting. And anyone who say the last two games of that series knew that this was a man who was not confident him his shooting. He couldn’t score in the paint but he kept going there and resorted to some bad passes to get himself out of trouble.[/quote]

The above is wrong. Lebron lacks a midrange game. Every time he shoot from distance, he takes the pressure off the defense. He is either a 3 point shooter or heading to the hole. What he doesn’t do well is put a defender on his heels and pull up with a reliable 12 footer, or put a defender on his heels and draw a double and pass. HE NEEDS TO ASK SANTA FOR A MIDRANGE GAME TO BE BETTER. His outside shot is respectable. And obviously he can get to the hole - not anytime he wants, but nothing that smacks of “needing improvement”. An even better outside shot just makes his problem worse - letting the D off the hook. Which would you rather have to do? Get a hand in the face of an outside shooter or, defend that marvelous athlete against all 3 options?

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
did you guys see the interview with Dwayne Wade where he said something to the effect of “there might be a point next season where we lose a game or two or three in a row and you guys (the media) will act like the world trade center fell down again”

Wow talk about the ultimate foot in mouth. Its basketball and should NEVER EVEN BE MENTIONED in the same fucking sentence as that tragedy and the people who lost their lives on 9/11.
[/quote]

Not sure I’d call the comment insensitive, but it was definitely boneheaded. That’s worse than when athletes call themselves “soldiers”. These people need to be more aware of their place in society. They’re entetainers. Highly paid entertainers, but entertainers nonetheless. What they do should never be taken out of context, by us or them.[/quote]

And they should never refer to themselves in the third person. The minute one of them motherfuckers does that, you can be sure he’s a bloviating asshole.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[ That’s worse than when athletes call themselves “soldiers”. These people need to be more aware of their place in society. They’re entetainers. Highly paid entertainers[/quote]

yeah I cant stand that stuff man. Especially UFC fighter guys who say they’re “warriors.” “going to war.” “In a battle out there” I hate that shit. you’re not a fucking warrior going to war. Thats kind of a slap in the face to the real warriors who are overseas bleeding and dying so that these athletes can sit back here in the US and get paid a lot of money to play a sport. Its definitely a pet peeve of mine from since I’ve actually spent quite a bit of time overseas and seen/done things these “warriors” couldn’t even comprehend… Such bullshit.

Ok end Rant :slight_smile:

back to basketball[/quote]

Bad misinformed rant. Fighters ARE going to war. People die in the ring. People become permanently disabled in the ring. There is another man attempting to do you harm. Yes sir, it is war. It is combat. Period.

Again Bird and Magic HATED EACH OTHER. Bosh, Wade and LBJ are friends. Apples and Oranges

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
If he wanted to get past Boston he should have developed a better outside game. Boston’s D is perfect for stopping people trying to score from closer to the net, but they have no answer for good outside shooting. And anyone who say the last two games of that series knew that this was a man who was not confident him his shooting. He couldn’t score in the paint but he kept going there and resorted to some bad passes to get himself out of trouble.[/quote]

The above is wrong. Lebron lacks a midrange game. Every time he shoot from distance, he takes the pressure off the defense. He is either a 3 point shooter or heading to the hole. What he doesn’t do well is put a defender on his heels and pull up with a reliable 12 footer, or put a defender on his heels and draw a double and pass. HE NEEDS TO ASK SANTA FOR A MIDRANGE GAME TO BE BETTER. His outside shot is respectable. And obviously he can get to the hole - not anytime he wants, but nothing that smacks of “needing improvement”. An even better outside shot just makes his problem worse - letting the D off the hook. Which would you rather have to do? Get a hand in the face of an outside shooter or, defend that marvelous athlete against all 3 options?[/quote]

That’s what I meant, I must have worded it wrong. He needs a good mid-range shot AND he needs to have more confidence in his 3’s. He has a below average mid range shot and in his series against Boston he seemed afraid to take a jump shot, even from long range. I remember in the last game he made two straight 3s in a short span, then missed one and never took another jump shot.

And he really couldn’t do anything inside against Boston. They are too good at stopping people driving to the hole, and when the calls weren’t in James’ favour all he could do was make bad passes. Anybody who watched that series knew that by the last two games James [and a few others on the Cavs] could barely get a good shot close to the net and were looking at the refs to make calls.

[quote]lavi wrote:

How is Brett Favre in there??? Do people really like Brett Favre?[/quote]

lol

I like Favre. The perennial will-he-wont-he-retire is frustrating but in a way it’s endearing. He’s just not ready to go, and they’re gonna have to drag him away kicking and screaming.

[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Again Bird and Magic HATED EACH OTHER. Bosh, Wade and LBJ are friends. Apples and Oranges [/quote]

Bird and Magic didn’t really like each other until they did the Converse ads, at which point they probably had contracts expiring at different times and a good reason to stay on their already championship contending teams–so I agree with Drew here. Not to mention Magic got the largest contract ever at the time when he re-signed with LA, he’d be a fool to go anywhere else. If I had to guess I’d say they’d never team up no matter the circumstances, but you can’t say for sure.

I don’t think we can compare Magic-Bird to this new Big 3, since Magic-Bird was a rivalry that stretched back to college.

But it IS worth mentioning that MJ wouldn’t have went on another team with already established superstars. Ever. MJ and Kobe are a different kind of player. Kobe was on a team with not just a superstar, but the dominant player in the league, and eventually established his dominance on that team when Shaq left.

The real culprit for this is The League. They really enabled this whole thing by setting limits on what a player could earn. I;m in support of allowing the players current team to pay more, but the difference wasn’t large enough to warrant limiting contract sizes in the first place. At the end of his career MJ was playing for 30 mill a year, and at his peak Shaq played for 32.5 mill one year. By limiting individual salaries they really made it easy for teams to get more than one superstar player, and since there is a cap on what you could earn, superstar players who don’t mind sharing the spotlight are more inclined to team up with each other like this.

If the NBA wanted to lower team payrolls they should have made their joke of a salary cap more strict, not limit how much players could get individually. It’s more hand off, and allows for the market to work to it’s fullest capacity.

[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Again Bird and Magic HATED EACH OTHER. Bosh, Wade and LBJ are friends. Apples and Oranges [/quote]

Why in the hell do you keep sticking up for the tool named LBJ? Seriously, the level of ghey you feel for him is distorting your brain.

Hmm, let’s see…Bird and Magic are in the top 5 players of all time and they hated each other (equaling killer instinct). LeGay loves his supposed enemies (on the court) equaling no killer instinct which results in LeLoser status of where he sits with the all time greats. Do you have that formula memorized now?

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
If he wanted to get past Boston he should have developed a better outside game. Boston’s D is perfect for stopping people trying to score from closer to the net, but they have no answer for good outside shooting. And anyone who say the last two games of that series knew that this was a man who was not confident him his shooting. He couldn’t score in the paint but he kept going there and resorted to some bad passes to get himself out of trouble.[/quote]

The above is wrong. Lebron lacks a midrange game. Every time he shoot from distance, he takes the pressure off the defense. He is either a 3 point shooter or heading to the hole. What he doesn’t do well is put a defender on his heels and pull up with a reliable 12 footer, or put a defender on his heels and draw a double and pass. HE NEEDS TO ASK SANTA FOR A MIDRANGE GAME TO BE BETTER. His outside shot is respectable. And obviously he can get to the hole - not anytime he wants, but nothing that smacks of “needing improvement”. An even better outside shot just makes his problem worse - letting the D off the hook. Which would you rather have to do? Get a hand in the face of an outside shooter or, defend that marvelous athlete against all 3 options?[/quote]

James is like a live action, one-man NBA JAMZ. It’s either 3’s or bull his way to the rack and almost nothing else. He doesn’t have an inside game, he has NO mid-range game, he doesn’t pull-up off the bounce, none of that. 3’s or dunks/layups. And, he has no go to move [or back up go to move] to fall back on, unless you call bulling your way to the rim knowing the ref will bail you out a go to move. If he gets on a roll he can stick the deep ball, but right now it’s fairly inconsistent. God I hope Miami tanks this year.