If Gordon Haywood and Carson Parsons are max players, then Love certainly is.
Also, just skimmed thru last night’s CHI at GS.
No Bogut or Butler but still prob game of the year thus far.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That’d cut into James and Irving’s stats though, so that’s not happening. [/quote]
I dont think that’s an issue. I think he was a good player on a bad team, but now that’s he’s on a good team he’s being exposed. A high IQ player should be able to figure out where to fit in, and not need to be “used correctly” wtf does that even mean?
He scored 10pts in the first quarter last night. Then disappeared the rest of the game going 0-however many shots he took. Without Lebron, so there were plenty of shots, and time to be “used correctly”
If they kept Wiggens this team is a LOCK to the finals. I hope they make into the ECF now after watching how Klove plays.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That’d cut into James and Irving’s stats though, so that’s not happening. [/quote]
I dont think that’s an issue. I think he was a good player on a bad team, but now that’s he’s on a good team he’s being exposed. A high IQ player should be able to figure out where to fit in, and not need to be “used correctly” wtf does that even mean?
He scored 10pts in the first quarter last night. Then disappeared the rest of the game going 0-however many shots he took. Without Lebron, so there were plenty of shots, and time to be “used correctly”
If they kept Wiggens this team is a LOCK to the finals. I hope they make into the ECF now after watching how Klove plays. [/quote]
Dude, if you honestly believe anything you just wrote then there’s nothing for us to discuss. That’s insane.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That’d cut into James and Irving’s stats though, so that’s not happening. [/quote]
I dont think that’s an issue. I think he was a good player on a bad team, but now that’s he’s on a good team he’s being exposed. A high IQ player should be able to figure out where to fit in, and not need to be “used correctly” wtf does that even mean?
He scored 10pts in the first quarter last night. Then disappeared the rest of the game going 0-however many shots he took. Without Lebron, so there were plenty of shots, and time to be “used correctly”
If they kept Wiggens this team is a LOCK to the finals. I hope they make into the ECF now after watching how Klove plays. [/quote]
Dude, if you honestly believe anything you just wrote then there’s nothing for us to discuss. That’s insane.[/quote]
Dude, if you have actually watched him play this season, then there is nothing for us to discuss. That’s ignorance.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That’d cut into James and Irving’s stats though, so that’s not happening. [/quote]
I dont think that’s an issue. I think he was a good player on a bad team, but now that’s he’s on a good team he’s being exposed. A high IQ player should be able to figure out where to fit in, and not need to be “used correctly” wtf does that even mean?
He scored 10pts in the first quarter last night. Then disappeared the rest of the game going 0-however many shots he took. Without Lebron, so there were plenty of shots, and time to be “used correctly”
If they kept Wiggens this team is a LOCK to the finals. I hope they make into the ECF now after watching how Klove plays. [/quote]
Dude, if you honestly believe anything you just wrote then there’s nothing for us to discuss. That’s insane.[/quote]
Dude, if you have actually watched him play this season, then there is nothing for us to discuss. That’s ignorance. [/quote]
He’s shooting a little bad compared to what we’re used to seeing, and being used less in the post, and especially the pick and roll with Rubio, who while not highly competent at getting his own buckets was a solid distributing PG.
Hypothetically, everyone thought he would come to Cleveland, start plays on the low block where his turnaround game was elite, and come up for high picks where he pops to the wing and shoots elite level %s for anyone not named Kyle Korver(40%+ from the hardest spot on the arc). That’s not happening though. He’s also never being used as the ball handler in pick and rolls which was a not-minor part of his game in Minn because it either got him mismatches to destroy in the paint, or mismatches to hit open midrange jumpers or more wing 3s.
In Cleveland he’s seeing a lot of corner 3s, which are supposed to be the easiest, but he sucks at them for some reason. Toss in the above mentioned lack of post play, and a lot less usage% because LeBron and Kyrie are on his team(I think I disagree with the message WF is throwing out about protecting their stats, but they are obviously ‘hogging’ more than anyone he’s played with previously. LeBron’s assist numbers are normal, and Kyrie’s are starting to climb, so maybe this is a sign of improvement for the future), and you get mass production falloff. I expect Grantland to post an in depth article with their awesome graphics about this come all-star break time when they have lots of data to use.
Also, the I find it hilarious that you dubbed his success dubious on the notion that he was a good player on a bad team, yet assert that Wiggins moderate rookie success on the same team would make the Cavs a lock finals contender.
KLove is 17.1/10.3/2.2 on 42.4/33//82.2 shooting
Wiggins is 15.1/4.2/1.8 on 42.9/35.7/72.7 shooting
If good players on bad teams put up better stats…
Hey WF
You seen Riff Raff lately?
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That’d cut into James and Irving’s stats though, so that’s not happening. [/quote]
I dont think that’s an issue. I think he was a good player on a bad team, but now that’s he’s on a good team he’s being exposed. A high IQ player should be able to figure out where to fit in, and not need to be “used correctly” wtf does that even mean?
He scored 10pts in the first quarter last night. Then disappeared the rest of the game going 0-however many shots he took. Without Lebron, so there were plenty of shots, and time to be “used correctly”
If they kept Wiggens this team is a LOCK to the finals. I hope they make into the ECF now after watching how Klove plays. [/quote]
Dude, if you honestly believe anything you just wrote then there’s nothing for us to discuss. That’s insane.[/quote]
Dude, if you have actually watched him play this season, then there is nothing for us to discuss. That’s ignorance. [/quote]
He’s shooting a little bad compared to what we’re used to seeing, and being used less in the post, and especially the pick and roll with Rubio, who while not highly competent at getting his own buckets was a solid distributing PG.
Hypothetically, everyone thought he would come to Cleveland, start plays on the low block where his turnaround game was elite, and come up for high picks where he pops to the wing and shoots elite level %s for anyone not named Kyle Korver(40%+ from the hardest spot on the arc). That’s not happening though. He’s also never being used as the ball handler in pick and rolls which was a not-minor part of his game in Minn because it either got him mismatches to destroy in the paint, or mismatches to hit open midrange jumpers or more wing 3s.
In Cleveland he’s seeing a lot of corner 3s, which are supposed to be the easiest, but he sucks at them for some reason. Toss in the above mentioned lack of post play, and a lot less usage% because LeBron and Kyrie are on his team(I think I disagree with the message WF is throwing out about protecting their stats, but they are obviously ‘hogging’ more than anyone he’s played with previously. LeBron’s assist numbers are normal, and Kyrie’s are starting to climb, so maybe this is a sign of improvement for the future), and you get mass production falloff. I expect Grantland to post an in depth article with their awesome graphics about this come all-star break time when they have lots of data to use.
Also, the I find it hilarious that you dubbed his success dubious on the notion that he was a good player on a bad team, yet assert that Wiggins moderate rookie success on the same team would make the Cavs a lock finals contender.
KLove is 17.1/10.3/2.2 on 42.4/33//82.2 shooting
Wiggins is 15.1/4.2/1.8 on 42.9/35.7/72.7 shooting
If good players on bad teams put up better stats…
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Thank you. This is exactly what I’ve been getting at but was getting met with legitimately absurd rebuttals. Also, didn’t necessarily mean James and Irving are protecting their stats, but when your two max deal guys are also your two primary ball handlers you better believe they’re getting there’s. There’s a lot of ego out there, and just like Bosh warned Love has been taken completely out of his comfort zone and turned into a third wheel. I honestly don’t get why that is so hard to understand.
[quote]red04 wrote:
yet assert that Wiggins moderate rookie success on the same team would make the Cavs a lock finals contender.
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Wiggens are love are completely different players, and wiggens game fits with what the Cavs are lacking right now.
2011 nba draft has to be one of the best in a long time no?
Kyrie, Rose, Butler, Klay, Valuncunias, kawhi,
Kemba Walker
^^ who is Valanciunas and why is he on that list??
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
yet assert that Wiggins moderate rookie success on the same team would make the Cavs a lock finals contender.
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Wiggens are love are completely different players, and wiggens game fits with what the Cavs are lacking right now.
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Aggv - your sky-high expectations are understandable but overreacting to december/january basketball is never a good look
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Hey WF
You seen Riff Raff lately?
Haha, man, could only get through about thirty seconds of that.
[quote]chillain wrote:
^^ who is Valanciunas and why is he on that list??
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Just next years centre reserve for the East 
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
^^ who is Valanciunas and why is he on that list??
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Just next years centre reserve for the East
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For real, he’s a big dude who’s pretty good.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
yet assert that Wiggins moderate rookie success on the same team would make the Cavs a lock finals contender.
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Wiggens are love are completely different players, and wiggens game fits with what the Cavs are lacking right now.
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Aggv - your sky-high expectations are understandable but overreacting to december/january basketball is never a good look
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Considering im the only one who watches him play, and has a clue what they’re talking about, i dont think im overreacting when an “all-star” is playing like shit.
- Kevin Love
"Before the season, I wrote a 230,000-word column explaining why Love was underrated. Before the season, he would have cracked the top 15 of this column. Before the season, it would have been inconceivable if you told me, â??In January, someone will ask you if youâ??d trade Bostonâ??s 2015 unprotected first-rounder for Kevin Love and youâ??d say â??NO EFFING WAY.â??â?? In the 1970s and 1980s, multiple superstars in their mid-twenties abruptly tailed off for two really good reasons: cocaine or knee injuries. In the 1990s and 2000s, that dropped to one reason: knee injuries. In 2015? There is NO acceptable reason why someone as good as Love would free-fall this badly. Itâ??s dumbfounding. Look at this â?¦
2014 (77 games): 26.1 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 4.4 apg, 46-38-82% splits, 26.9 PER
2015 (40 games): 17.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 2.2 apg, 43-33-83% splits, 19.2 PER
And that doesnâ??t cover his more-dreadful-than-ever defense, his utter inability to protect the rim, LeBronâ??s inability to conceal his disgust for Loveâ??s game at times, or the Eye Test repeatedly telling us things like â??He dogged it on that playâ?? and â??He seems genuinely unhappy.â?? And maybe he is. But Loveâ??s Cleveland experience has been a borderline basketball tragedy; itâ??s made the idea of trading real assets for him (especially when he can opt out) more than a little daunting. Nobody was more fun on League Pass last season. What a shame. I miss watching Kevin Love play basketball well. And when you see those flashes â?¦ I mean â?¦ "
You dont like Bill Simmons, ok, Chris Webber and Shaq have the same opinion.
“If you have game, you dont need a play call.”
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
yet assert that Wiggins moderate rookie success on the same team would make the Cavs a lock finals contender.
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Wiggens are love are completely different players, and wiggens game fits with what the Cavs are lacking right now.
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Aggv - your sky-high expectations are understandable but overreacting to december/january basketball is never a good look
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Considering im the only one who watches him play, and has a clue what they’re talking about, [/quote]
Top LOLs bro.
You may want to scroll up, my post is still on this page, and you’re still wrong.
Simmons’ column always involves some hyperbole+massive amounts of biased homerism, also it’s a TRADE VALUE piece not a player ranking(although there’s some relation there), also he didn’t compare Bosh’s ‘tail off’ in the exact same situation which is actually the real explanation. Here I’ll do it for him:
Chris Bosh’s numbers, woah bro, like there’s no explaining this except you just suck bro out of nowhere bro…
09-10: 24pts, 10.8 boards on 51.8/36.4/79.7 shooting, 25.0 PER
10-11: 18.7pts, 8.3 boards on 49.6/24.0/81.5 shooting, 19.4 PER
Funny how Bosh is back above 20 points despite being older and injured this year with LeBron gone and DWade out for like half of their games.
In summary: I know more than Shaq, CWebb, and Simmons, but I’m not famous.
Just for the record, I was just stirring the pot earlier.
I mean, if we’re not overreacting to all the in-season drama, what’s even the point of an in-season thread?
But seriously, who is Valanciunas?? :))
For funsies I just looked at Usage rates for the Cavs.
LeBron is actually UP from last year(4%), while Kyrie and Love are down, Love significantly so(almost 8%, which from 27.7% is nearly a 30% dropoff in usage).
But ya, it’s just that he sucks out of nowhere.