[quote]therajraj wrote:
MattyXL - enjoy Bargnani and his inflated contract. I like Novak’[/quote]
I liked Novak too. I haven’t seen Bargnani play much so I can’t really comment if I think it’s a good trade or not. I’ll miss Novak though.[/quote]
You’ll enjoy watching a 7 footer who can’t rebound and shoots you out of games with long 2’s.
Of course the former GM gave him a huge deal and forced the coaches to play him undeservedly, so maybe he’ll get better now that he’ll be held accountable.
Talent is there, just hope he’s a change of scenery guy and not a full-on dud.
Wow you guys are ridiculous if you like Novak. He was obsolete last year, he cannot rebound, defend, drive, dribble or shoot UNLESS WIDE OPEN! He is a total non factor in the playoffs. Seems like a nice guy and I was pulling for him, but he is what he is a spot up 3 point shooter and that is it and if relied upon to be a constant rotation for a playoff team your not going to be a playoff team, which was why he was not a big part of the knicks rotation last year.
I dont like Bargnani either, but Novak is similar to Bargnani but without any talent. So enjoy Raj, your getting even less on the court than Bargnani. Also its not like Novak and Camby have excellent contracts either.
This was a knee jerk reaction to the Neltics deal, a bad one at that, Bargnani is pretty flawed player so we got a big piece of shit for some smaller pieces of shit.
If anything maybe Bargnani can stretch the D a bit, but a front line of Bargnani Chandler and Melo is soft lacks defense and rebounding, its a bad deal
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Wow you guys are ridiculous if you like Novak. He was obsolete last year, he cannot rebound, defend, drive, dribble or shoot UNLESS WIDE OPEN! He is a total non factor in the playoffs. Seems like a nice guy and I was pulling for him, but he is what he is a spot up 3 point shooter and that is it and if relied upon to be a constant rotation for a playoff team your not going to be a playoff team, which was why he was not a big part of the knicks rotation last year.
I dont like Bargnani either, but Novak is similar to Bargnani but without any talent. So enjoy Raj, your getting even less on the court than Bargnani. Also its not like Novak and Camby have excellent contracts either.
This was a knee jerk reaction to the Neltics deal, a bad one at that, Bargnani is pretty flawed player so we got a big piece of shit for some smaller pieces of shit.
If anything maybe Bargnani can stretch the D a bit, but a front line of Bargnani Chandler and Melo is soft lacks defense and rebounding, its a bad deal
ALL AROUND[/quote]
I’m not saying he’s a good all around player or that it was a good/bad deal for the Knicks. I just enjoyed watching him play. Also, I think he was worth what they were paying him. As far as his playoff performance, wasn’t he out for most of the 2nd round due to back spasms?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Whiteflash - Since you’re a Houston native, I wanted to ask you: Are you a fan of Riff Raff?[/quote]
It’s kind of funny, but today’s basketball kinda mirrors today’s hip hop in that if you take the dudes from this era and put 'em 20 years ago, you’d never hear of 'em. Li’l Wayne, asap rocky, Kendrick Lamar, etc… would have trouble getting jobs flipping burgers in the mid 90’s, let alone making “music”. Dwight Howard, LBJ, Wade, etc… Would struggle in a center dominated league where physical play was encouraged.
Most of todays hip hop lacks talent and substance. Most of todays basketball lacks substance. It’s pretty disheartening.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Wow you guys are ridiculous if you like Novak. [/quote]
I like him for what he is - a 3pt specialist that helps spread the floor and stays within his role. He also plays enough defense not to be a complete liability (unlike Bargnani).
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I dont like Bargnani either, but Novak is similar to Bargnani but without any talent. [/quote]
Except, he will command a much larger role because of his perceived talent level. So yes, he’s more talented than Novak, but he will also get more responsibility on offense while contributing nothing on defense.
The Raptors also traded him at his lowest value but still came away with draft picks which is phenomenal. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with Bargnani’s tenure in Toronto, but this will be addition by subtraction for the Raps.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Whiteflash - Since you’re a Houston native, I wanted to ask you: Are you a fan of Riff Raff?[/quote]
It’s kind of funny, but today’s basketball kinda mirrors today’s hip hop in that if you take the dudes from this era and put 'em 20 years ago, you’d never hear of 'em. Li’l Wayne, asap rocky, Kendrick Lamar, etc… would have trouble getting jobs flipping burgers in the mid 90’s, let alone making “music”. Dwight Howard, LBJ, Wade, etc… Would struggle in a center dominated league where physical play was encouraged.
Most of todays hip hop lacks talent and substance. Most of todays basketball lacks substance. It’s pretty disheartening.
So to answer your question: FUCK NO.[/quote]
Ha, I figured you wouldn’t like him.
I’m going to a Major Lazer concert (who I like) and Riff Raff who I had never heard of until I saw the lineup is also performing. I noticed he was from Houston when I wiki’ed him.
You clearly haven’t given him a good listen. He’s nothing alike to those you grouped him with. [/quote]
He’s one of the better of an awful bunch, but that doesn’t mean he’s “good”. Same pointless analogies, nonsensical ramblings and lack of substance as most of all of today’s rappers, just delivered in a different package.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Whiteflash - Since you’re a Houston native, I wanted to ask you: Are you a fan of Riff Raff?[/quote]
It’s kind of funny, but today’s basketball kinda mirrors today’s hip hop in that if you take the dudes from this era and put 'em 20 years ago, you’d never hear of 'em. Li’l Wayne, asap rocky, Kendrick Lamar, etc… would have trouble getting jobs flipping burgers in the mid 90’s, let alone making “music”. Dwight Howard, LBJ, Wade, etc… Would struggle in a center dominated league where physical play was encouraged.
Most of todays hip hop lacks talent and substance. Most of todays basketball lacks substance. It’s pretty disheartening.
So to answer your question: FUCK NO.[/quote]
Ha, I figured you wouldn’t like him.
I’m going to a Major Lazer concert (who I like) and Riff Raff who I had never heard of until I saw the lineup is also performing. I noticed he was from Houston when I wiki’ed him.
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Yeah, he’s COMPLETELY talentless. It’s alarming what passes for music these days.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Wow you guys are ridiculous if you like Novak. [/quote]
I like him for what he is - a 3pt specialist that helps spread the floor and stays within his role. He also plays enough defense not to be a complete liability (unlike Bargnani).
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I dont like Bargnani either, but Novak is similar to Bargnani but without any talent. [/quote]
Except, he will command a much larger role because of his perceived talent level. So yes, he’s more talented than Novak, but he will also get more responsibility on offense while contributing nothing on defense.
The Raptors also traded him at his lowest value but still came away with draft picks which is phenomenal. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with Bargnani’s tenure in Toronto, but this will be addition by subtraction for the Raps.
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Im not sure how much you watched Novak in NY, he provides Z E R O defense, He actually doesent spread the floor as much as you would think, one hand in his face and he is an absolute negative when on the court. Also Bargnani will be, at BEST the third option in NY, maybe 4th. While you did get picks you also received two shitty contracts yourself. The idea that Novak will spread the D while Bargnani wont is laughable.
You clearly haven’t given him a good listen. He’s nothing alike to those you grouped him with. [/quote]
He’s one of the better of an awful bunch, but that doesn’t mean he’s “good”. Same pointless analogies, nonsensical ramblings and lack of substance as most of all of today’s rappers, just delivered in a different package. [/quote]
Again, sounds like you haven’t given anything other his radio songs a listen. But its all good, we just disagree.
You clearly haven’t given him a good listen. He’s nothing alike to those you grouped him with. [/quote]
He’s one of the better of an awful bunch, but that doesn’t mean he’s “good”. Same pointless analogies, nonsensical ramblings and lack of substance as most of all of today’s rappers, just delivered in a different package. [/quote]
Again, sounds like you haven’t given anything other his radio songs a listen. But its all good, we just disagree.[/quote]
I agree, if all of Kendrick Lamar you’ve heard is from the radio, def give the other tracks from his CDs a shot, good musicians gotta put out shit for general public to sell records.
Matty: the raps were an atrocious 3pt shooting team last year, almost no threat at all. Novak is a career 43% 3pt shooter. The contracts do not matter a ton since Raps look to be in full rebuilding mode.
Here’s what ESPN insider says about Novaks D:
“Novak could always shoot, but the difference last season was that he defended competently enough to stay on the court for his offense. While he lacks strength and isn?t a guy you?d willingly put on an elite scorer, Novak rated as only a mildly below-average defensive player last season. Previously, he?d graded out as blackened toast. As long as he can get a few stops, his deadly jump shot will keep him in the league ? and perhaps one of these years he can get a shot at the rim.”
You can spin it any way you want to Raj, Novak is an awful defender, and he becomes a negative when he is out on the court for any significant amount of time. Teams basically target him and run at him. I don’t like the trade, the Knicks do not need a soft overrated 7 footer, so in that sense it is addition b y subtraction but you aren’t getting any players of value back.