[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I wonder if Rose will be the same player once he returns. [/quote]
Depends on how severe. Baron Davis tore is ACL in college and recovered for the next season. He went on to be one of the most explosive dunkers in the NBA for his size (6’3) when he was in his prime.
Rose is young, his chances are good I think.[/quote]
Baron Davis is the most physically gifted pg of all time, and if he took better care of his body would’ve been one of the 2 or 3 best pg’s of all time. Rose has access to the best everything. He should be fine.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I wonder if Rose will be the same player once he returns. [/quote]
Depends on how severe. Baron Davis tore is ACL in college and recovered for the next season. He went on to be one of the most explosive dunkers in the NBA for his size (6’3) when he was in his prime.
Rose is young, his chances are good I think.[/quote]
Baron Davis is the most physically gifted pg of all time, and if he took better care of his body would’ve been one of the 2 or 3 best pg’s of all time. Rose has access to the best everything. He should be fine.[/quote]
Then why hasn’t modern medicine been able to repair Odens exploding knees?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I wonder if Rose will be the same player once he returns. [/quote]
Depends on how severe. Baron Davis tore is ACL in college and recovered for the next season. He went on to be one of the most explosive dunkers in the NBA for his size (6’3) when he was in his prime.
Rose is young, his chances are good I think.[/quote]
Baron Davis is the most physically gifted pg of all time, and if he took better care of his body would’ve been one of the 2 or 3 best pg’s of all time. Rose has access to the best everything. He should be fine.[/quote]
Then why hasn’t modern medicine been able to repair Odense knees?[/quote]
Could be wrong, but don’t think Oden’s torn his ACL’s. He’s had microfracture surgeries on top of having genetically weak knees, and the ONLY guy who has successfully come back from microfracture surgery is Amare Stoudamire. ACL tears are a fairly lightweight injury nowadays with a super high success rate.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I wonder if Rose will be the same player once he returns. [/quote]
Depends on how severe. Baron Davis tore is ACL in college and recovered for the next season. He went on to be one of the most explosive dunkers in the NBA for his size (6’3) when he was in his prime.
Rose is young, his chances are good I think.[/quote]
Baron Davis is the most physically gifted pg of all time, and if he took better care of his body would’ve been one of the 2 or 3 best pg’s of all time. Rose has access to the best everything. He should be fine.[/quote]
Then why hasn’t modern medicine been able to repair Odense knees?[/quote]
Could be wrong, but don’t think Oden’s torn his ACL’s. He’s had microfracture surgeries on top of having genetically weak knees, and the ONLY guy who has successfully come back from microfracture surgery is Amare Stoudamire. ACL tears are a fairly lightweight injury nowadays with a super high success rate.[/quote]
They still take a long time to rehab, but yeah the success rate has gotten pretty high.
I don’t agree with Baron Davis being the most physically gifted PG of all time (dear god you like hyperboles) but I don’t have the energy to argue it.
Baron Davis is fat.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I wonder if Rose will be the same player once he returns. [/quote]
Depends on how severe. Baron Davis tore is ACL in college and recovered for the next season. He went on to be one of the most explosive dunkers in the NBA for his size (6’3) when he was in his prime.
Rose is young, his chances are good I think.[/quote]
Baron Davis is the most physically gifted pg of all time, and if he took better care of his body would’ve been one of the 2 or 3 best pg’s of all time. Rose has access to the best everything. He should be fine.[/quote]
Then why hasn’t modern medicine been able to repair Odense knees?[/quote]
Could be wrong, but don’t think Oden’s torn his ACL’s. He’s had microfracture surgeries on top of having genetically weak knees, and the ONLY guy who has successfully come back from microfracture surgery is Amare Stoudamire. ACL tears are a fairly lightweight injury nowadays with a super high success rate.[/quote]
They still take a long time to rehab, but yeah the success rate has gotten pretty high.
I don’t agree with Baron Davis being the most physically gifted PG of all time (dear god you like hyperboles) but I don’t have the energy to argue it.[/quote]
How’s it hyperbolic? 6’3", strong, stocky, fast, jumps out the gym and routinely went over big men to finish with authority. Born and raised in Houston so saw quite a bit of Francis in his prime and Francis was nowhere near as explosive as Davis. You have energy to talk shit but not “argue”? Name me another pg who cn do what Davis did, and Derrick Rose and Westbrook aren’t even in the discussion.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
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LOL
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I wonder if Rose will be the same player once he returns. [/quote]
Depends on how severe. Baron Davis tore is ACL in college and recovered for the next season. He went on to be one of the most explosive dunkers in the NBA for his size (6’3) when he was in his prime.
Rose is young, his chances are good I think.[/quote]
Baron Davis is the most physically gifted pg of all time, and if he took better care of his body would’ve been one of the 2 or 3 best pg’s of all time. Rose has access to the best everything. He should be fine.[/quote]
Then why hasn’t modern medicine been able to repair Odense knees?[/quote]
Could be wrong, but don’t think Oden’s torn his ACL’s. He’s had microfracture surgeries on top of having genetically weak knees, and the ONLY guy who has successfully come back from microfracture surgery is Amare Stoudamire. ACL tears are a fairly lightweight injury nowadays with a super high success rate.[/quote]
They still take a long time to rehab, but yeah the success rate has gotten pretty high.
I don’t agree with Baron Davis being the most physically gifted PG of all time (dear god you like hyperboles) but I don’t have the energy to argue it.[/quote]
It all depends on the severity of the tear. Mine was to the point where it couldnt be repaired so I have a dead dudes acl in my knee right now. Some people just need the ligament shaved down a bit. I’m not sure how bad roses is.
I can’t recall a 6’3 pg who dunked like Davis with his power. Anyhow, my point was he did all that post surgery so he really didn’t lose any power or quickness.
2 close games tonight. Not sure which to watch.
Edit: WTF happened in the Bulls game? Last I checked in they were up.
Bynum and Kobe played awesome last night… The rest of the team was solid as well. I’m really liking what I’ve been seeing from Hill lately. Bringing some hustle and energy off the bench, I like it!
Lakers did it again last night… They let the Nuggets creep back into the game. Gotta cut that crap out (but that’s been the story of the Lakers for YEARS)
[quote]gregron wrote:
Bynum and Kobe played awesome last night… The rest of the team was solid as well. I’m really liking what I’ve been seeing from Hill lately. Bringing some hustle and energy off the bench, I like it!
Lakers did it again last night… They let the Nuggets creep back into the game. Gotta cut that crap out (but that’s been the story of the Lakers for YEARS)[/quote]
The Lakers losing focus has been their biggest problem for years, like you said. Hill and Ebanks have been playing really well and doing exactly what they need to. Lakers still have trouble with pick and roll defense and get torches by penetrating guards, but if they can learn to stay true to their guy and force the penetrator into the bugs instead of collapsing and giving up open shots they should be fine. Also, they need to keep Artest off the floor for the rest of the year. He’ll do nothing but disrupt the chemistry the got goin’.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Bynum and Kobe played awesome last night… The rest of the team was solid as well. I’m really liking what I’ve been seeing from Hill lately. Bringing some hustle and energy off the bench, I like it!
Lakers did it again last night… They let the Nuggets creep back into the game. Gotta cut that crap out (but that’s been the story of the Lakers for YEARS)[/quote]
The Lakers losing focus has been their biggest problem for years, like you said. Hill and Ebanks have been playing really well and doing exactly what they need to. Lakers still have trouble with pick and roll defense and get torches by penetrating guards, but if they can learn to stay true to their guy and force the penetrator into the bugs instead of collapsing and giving up open shots they should be fine. Also, they need to keep Artest off the floor for the rest of the year. He’ll do nothing but disrupt the chemistry the got goin’.[/quote]
Im curious to see what happens with Artest when he comes back. He seemed to kinda be picking it up toward the end of the season and was putting together some decent games until he lost his mind with that elbow.
If the lakers can put together this first round sweep (which I think that they will) they could very well be halfway to wrapping up their second round series by the time Artest is back… If they’re playing good and have a nice rhythm with their current set up I think Artest should get very limited minutes off the bench.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
How’s it hyperbolic? 6’3", strong, stocky, fast, jumps out the gym and routinely went over big men to finish with authority. Born and raised in Houston so saw quite a bit of Francis in his prime and Francis was nowhere near as explosive as Davis. You have energy to talk shit but not “argue”? Name me another pg who cn do what Davis did, and Derrick Rose and Westbrook aren’t even in the discussion.
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Right, he is an incredible athlete, but just saying that is enough… not everyone has to be THE BEST or ONE OF THE TOP FIVE in every damn discussion. It’s more ridiculous than saying JR Smith is one of the top 3 talented guys in the league (which still makes me laugh). Why do we (I mean people in general not just you) feel compelled to make such over the top statements anytime anything is discussed on the internet? Why is it not enough to say “JR Smith is ridiculously talented” without making an unnecessary over the top statement?
Back to Baron, The fact that he has a UNIQUE BRAND of athleticism that other’s can’t replicate doesn’t mean he is the MOST ATHLETIC. He is very physically strong for a PG. To say Rose isn’t “in his class” of athleticism is just wrong. Chris Paul does things no one else can do (those ultra quick cuts, one step in one direction than immediately full speed in the other), Rose routinely wins 1 on 4 fast breaks, Nate Robinson blocks shots on 7-footers (he’s not talented but don’t say he’s not athletic) which Baron can’t do.
Lots of guys have unique skills that aren’t replicated by others, it doesn’t mean they’re the best. Kevin Love is a better three point shooter than Tim Duncan ever was but it does not mean he is a better PF than Duncan in his prime… it just means he had ONE FACET of his game that Duncan couldn’t replicate.
I know I pounded the same point home several times I just can’t STAND the hyperbole of internet-speak… it’s particularly true of sports commenting.
[quote]gregron wrote:
If the lakers can put together this first round sweep (which I think that they will) they could very well be halfway to wrapping up their second round series by the time Artest is back… If they’re playing good and have a nice rhythm with their current set up I think Artest should get very limited minutes off the bench. [/quote]
so much LAL optimism here, gotta love it!
(mind you, its likely to be OKC and two road games to open that 2nd round but I still love it)
The Spurs look really, really good; that is all.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
How’s it hyperbolic? 6’3", strong, stocky, fast, jumps out the gym and routinely went over big men to finish with authority. Born and raised in Houston so saw quite a bit of Francis in his prime and Francis was nowhere near as explosive as Davis. You have energy to talk shit but not “argue”? Name me another pg who cn do what Davis did, and Derrick Rose and Westbrook aren’t even in the discussion.
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Right, he is an incredible athlete, but just saying that is enough… not everyone has to be THE BEST or ONE OF THE TOP FIVE in every damn discussion. It’s more ridiculous than saying JR Smith is one of the top 3 talented guys in the league (which still makes me laugh). Why do we (I mean people in general not just you) feel compelled to make such over the top statements anytime anything is discussed on the internet? Why is it not enough to say “JR Smith is ridiculously talented” without making an unnecessary over the top statement?
Back to Baron, The fact that he has a UNIQUE BRAND of athleticism that other’s can’t replicate doesn’t mean he is the MOST ATHLETIC. He is very physically strong for a PG. To say Rose isn’t “in his class” of athleticism is just wrong. Chris Paul does things no one else can do (those ultra quick cuts, one step in one direction than immediately full speed in the other), Rose routinely wins 1 on 4 fast breaks, Nate Robinson blocks shots on 7-footers (he’s not talented but don’t say he’s not athletic) which Baron can’t do.
Lots of guys have unique skills that aren’t replicated by others, it doesn’t mean they’re the best. Kevin Love is a better three point shooter than Tim Duncan ever was but it does not mean he is a better PF than Duncan in his prime… it just means he had ONE FACET of his game that Duncan couldn’t replicate.
I know I pounded the same point home several times I just can’t STAND the hyperbole of internet-speak… it’s particularly true of sports commenting.[/quote]
I didn’t say “most athletic”, I said “most physically gifted”. Nate Robinson is the most athletic dude in the league, and saying he isn’t talented is fucking retarded. That blows my mind that you’d say that. Anyway, there has never been another pg with Davis’s combination of size, strength, speed, hops. That’s not hyperbole, it’s fact. So, looking at that fact I can pretty easily say that Davis is the most physically gifted pg of all time.
And JR Smith IS one of the 5 most talented dudes in the league. I didn’t say best players, I said raw talent. He has as deep of range as anyone in the league, is THE ONLY guy in the league who has crazy lift off the left, right or both (I can’t express enough how unique that is), has a crazy handle, is a much better passer than people realize and can get buckets on anyone. His physical gifts combined with his skill set put him at the top of the food chain talent wise. He’s just a knucklehead and doesn’t seem to want to put in the extra work to realize all of his talent.
Not sure if my last post will show up but I don’t feel like retyping it yet.
Anyway, watching the Capitals has interfered with my bball watching these playoffs, only seen about 6 halves of bball (including Spurs-Jazz last night which hardly counts). Also I have a new roommate who would rather watch Anthony Fucking Bourdain than basketball and he’s always fucking home. That being said, a couple things:
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Don’t you all feel stupid for not predicting the Jazz would give the Spurs trouble like I did? Sigh.
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I really wish Clips-Griz was on TV earlier too. It’s the most interesting series to me right now matchup-wise. Griz have proven they are tough for the Spurs, but the LA Chris Pauls have CP3 who is just fucking ruthless in the last 5 minutes of games. IMO he’s the best closer in the game right now.
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LAL will be a tough out if they keep defending like this. I do think we’re about to see George Karl throw out some junk lineups though, because matching up against the Lakers classically is just not going to work. McGee and Koufos are not capable of defending Gasol/Bynum, period. But if the Nugs get weird with lineups it could be interesting… they are legitimately 12 deep with above average players so it gives them options that are unavailable to LAL.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Griz have proven they are tough for the Spurs, but the LA Chris Pauls have CP3 who is just fucking ruthless in the last 5 minutes of games. IMO he’s the best closer in the game right now.
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Thems fightin’ words.
Not that it will make any difference, but Chris Bosh will likely miss game 3