I’m not sure if I would want to trade Pau or Bynum. What has made them so deadly (aside from Kobe) and put them over the top is all the front court size.
That being said, I agree wit Overstand on how bad World Peace and Fisher are. Probably the worst 2 starters in the league at least that I can think of.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Uh, ok.[/quote]
Oh, no doubt.
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Wrong. There are plenty of 6’9" people who suck at defense. Height is completely irrelevant to being good on D (it can help if you are already good, but has no correlation to knowing how to play D) He was big, tall and slightly rotund and guarding POINT GUARDS.[/quote]
Wrong. At 6’9 and long, you can guard either fwd position by default. And in the 80’s, teams could successfully hide a player at the defensive end (remember, illegal defense rules were different and, much more importantly, there wasn’t much defense to be played anyway) And that rotund point is silly; neither Barkley or Magic were rotund during the VAST majority of their careers.
Again, just clearing up WF’s misconception that Magic hadn’t developed range on that set shot of his.
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Not all PGs handle defensive pressure equally, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.[/quote]
What the hell are you guys trying to say?? That Earvin was a turnover-machine against small, quick PGs?? He wasn’t, not even close. But also consider that he could back down those same, smaller opponents at the other end, force the defense to commit, and then make the right decision.
[quote]
So ridiculous I almost think you are trolling[/quote]
A subjective claim, to be sure, but look it up. MJ gets tons of mileage for that shot at CLE and Game1 of the Finals vs UTA, but Magic had plenty of his own, as seen in that short “Duel for a Decade” collection of Bird-Magic buzzer beaters from NBA Awesome Endings. Again, I don’t blame you guys for not knowing, but I am here to set the record straight. 
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Also, in NBA history, there are like twice as many teams who “would have won the title if…” as there are actual titles to hand out.[/quote]
Fair enough. Look, Jordan going 6/6 in NBA Finals is flawless; but most sleep on the fact that Magic led LAL to 9 Finals in 12 years!!
[quote]Aggv wrote:
What do the Lakers have in trade assets? I know Cleveland is shopping Ramon Sessions, who is a quality pg. [/quote]
They’ve got that trade exception (however that works) from the Odom deal with DAL and there’s also been talk of a 1st-rounder to get Sessions.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m not sure if I would want to trade Pau or Bynum. What has made them so deadly (aside from Kobe) and put them over the top is all the front court size.[/quote]
Exactly. If those big-3 are healthy for the halfcourt-tempo of the playoffs, LAL will always be a tough matchup in a best-of-7.
Ok I found it: NBA Awesome Endings
Go to 40:40 for ‘Duel for a Decade’ buzzer-beaters, and note the degree of difficulty (off the wrong foot, Parish closing out) and commentator’s reaction to that game-winner at 42:00
[quote]chillain wrote:
Wrong. At 6’9 and long, you can guard either fwd position by default. And in the 80’s, teams could successfully hide a player at the defensive end (remember, illegal defense rules were different and, much more importantly, there wasn’t much defense to be played anyway) And that rotund point is silly; neither Barkley or Magic were rotund during the VAST majority of their careers.[/quote]
It was harder to hide bad defensive players because of illegal defense when zone wasn’t allowed. Saying everyone who is 6’9" and long is good at defense is just so absurd I don’t even know what to say (you have the size to guard forwards but you still have to know how to play defense which not everyone does), plus the fact that Magic needed to guard GUARDS so the point about guarding forwards is irrelevant anyway.
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Again, just clearing up WF’s misconception that Magic hadn’t developed range on that set shot of his.[/quote]
He had one good 3p season and went back to being terrible at it. He was not a good shooter. There are often single season blips in 3P% because it’s a small sample in any given season. He was a career 30% 3p shooter and shot 32% his final year. (Those are very below average and quite bad in case you didn’t pick up on that)
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What the hell are you guys trying to say?? That Earvin was a turnover-machine against small, quick PGs?? He wasn’t, not even close. But also consider that he could back down those same, smaller opponents at the other end, force the defense to commit, and then make the right decision. [/quote]
I don’t PERSONALLY remember how he fared because I was not a Lakers fan growing up. I do know that some NBA guards handle on-ball pressure better than others, so you can’t just say that he was a point guard therefore he handled pressure well. Anyone who has watched 5 games of NBA basketball knows this.
There is no way we can objectively verify who had more buzzer beaters. Pointless argument. But Jordan certainly had more in the playoffs during important moments.
They probably sleep on that because it’s not true. Magic won 4 titles. You are thinking of Bill Russell. Wow.
Edit: I’m the asshole. You said finals not titles. My bad.
Now you’re putting words in my mouth, scj:
I just watched the Mavs blow a 14 point lead in 4min and then after 5 more min they are down 11.
Wow.
I’ve had enough with Nowitzki not taking the last shot. The Mavs have been in many close, down to the last possession games and Dirk hasn’t taken the last shot in the majority of them.
Something needs to be done. Either fire someone or host a god-damn players meeting and sort this shit out now. Fuckin’ ridiculous how you have one of the most clutch players in recent times and you don’t use him.
Wake the fuck up Dirk.
Pau Gasol has apparently been traded.
No details yet, just that he’s been traded and we are awaiting the details
Consensus is it’s to either ATL or GS.
ATL:
Gasol and Barnes for Josh Smith, Williams and either Teague/Heinrich
GS:
Steph Curry, Biedrins, Wright and David Lee for Artest, Gasol and Draft picks…
I guess it could still not happen but here is where it was reported:
https://twitter.com/#!/lazenby
stpost=v2#content
Sites like ESPN and NBA.com don’t post until it’s 100% confirmed and done, which may not happen for a couple days for all we know. That Odom trade before the season actually happened a day before ESPN broke the story.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I don’t know where the Anthony Davis conversation came from but Darius Johnson-Odom from Marquette is the college player to watch. He’s giving Marquette fans a little bit of D-Wade nostalgia. [/quote]
Damn! I need to watch more Marquette games then. I’m a Jayhawks fan at heart but I gotta admit I like Marquette a lot too. I liked those years a lot with Diener and Wade. Plus a girl that played ball at my school started her last 2 years at Marquette.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Sites like ESPN and NBA.com don’t post until it’s 100% confirmed and done, which may not happen for a couple days for all we know. That Odom trade before the season actually happened a day before ESPN broke the story.[/quote]
Fun rumors regardless. I’m hoping they keep Gasol but if they must move then gotta like Josh Smith there
In tonight’s LAL/MIN pregame, there its business as usual with Gasol and he’s in the starting lineup. (its Love who is missing 2nite, back spasms)
[quote]therajraj wrote:
GS:
Steph Curry, Biedrins, Wright and David Lee for Artest, Gasol and Draft picks…[/quote]
If that’s true that’s a hell of a deal for the Lakers. Lee isn’t Gasol, but he’s not that far off, Steph Curry is a huge upgrade over Fisher and Wright is solid off the bench. Biedrens contract is really shitty I believe but the Lakers still have their amnesty, plus they get to dump crazy ass Artest and his equally shitty contract.
I’m wondering if this guy isn’t intentionally jumping the gun here knowing there’s a 99% chance Gasol will be traded before Thursday. Every journalist in the sports world wants to be the one to break the story, and his report is very vague.
OKC just had their 14 game home winning streak snapped by Cleveland. Kyrie had 12 assists and OKC had 13 blocks; good dame.
Amazing post count to date joined ratio Aggv.
1 post a month is not to be fucked with.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Amazing post count to date joined ratio Aggv.
1 post a month is not to be fucked with.[/quote]
ok?
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Uh, ok.[/quote]
Oh, no doubt.
[quote]
Wrong. There are plenty of 6’9" people who suck at defense. Height is completely irrelevant to being good on D (it can help if you are already good, but has no correlation to knowing how to play D) He was big, tall and slightly rotund and guarding POINT GUARDS.[/quote]
Wrong. At 6’9 and long, you can guard either fwd position by default. And in the 80’s, teams could successfully hide a player at the defensive end (remember, illegal defense rules were different and, much more importantly, there wasn’t much defense to be played anyway) And that rotund point is silly; neither Barkley or Magic were rotund during the VAST majority of their careers.
Again, just clearing up WF’s misconception that Magic hadn’t developed range on that set shot of his.
[quote]
Not all PGs handle defensive pressure equally, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.[/quote]
What the hell are you guys trying to say?? That Earvin was a turnover-machine against small, quick PGs?? He wasn’t, not even close. But also consider that he could back down those same, smaller opponents at the other end, force the defense to commit, and then make the right decision.
[quote]
So ridiculous I almost think you are trolling[/quote]
A subjective claim, to be sure, but look it up. MJ gets tons of mileage for that shot at CLE and Game1 of the Finals vs UTA, but Magic had plenty of his own, as seen in that short “Duel for a Decade” collection of Bird-Magic buzzer beaters from NBA Awesome Endings. Again, I don’t blame you guys for not knowing, but I am here to set the record straight.
The ultimate close to this argument is that Jordan and Johnson actually DID play against each other in the Finals and Jordan’s Bulls kicked the shit out of Johnson’s Lakers. And, once they switched and put Pippen on Johnson Magic was having all kinds of trouble.
You can go ahead and start your team with Johnson. I’ll start mine with Jordan, and I’ll win EVERY TIME. And to pretend that Johnson has anywhere near the number of game winners as Jordan is preposterous. As I said earlier, Johnson was down to take the last shot, but Jordan was on another level.
Unrelated, looks like I was right about Jeremy Lin. He’s a starter and proven NBA player, but as soon as teams figure him out he’ll have all kinds of trouble.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Unrelated, looks like I was right about Jeremy Lin. He’s a starter and proven NBA player, but as soon as teams figure him out he’ll have all kinds of trouble.[/quote]
There were quite a few of us who said that.