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[duketheslaya]

@danteism

What I’m trying to say is that I feel like I could have a shot at strongman on the national level, especially as I am very light at the moment, clocking in at around 97kgs.

Hell yeah bro

[MarkKO]

@danteism

At 193cm I’m too tall to be competitive at powerlifting and weightlifting as there will always be some shorter dude with the same amount of muscle and far better numbers

You mean without getting soft. At 193 cm you’d need to be a lean 125 kg or a softer 140 to be competitive.

[danteism]

@MarkKO

You mean without getting soft. At 193 cm you’d need to be a lean 125 kg or a softer 140 to be competitive.

Exactly, I’m quite sure I won’t reach a lean 125kgs in quite some while, and getting fat isn’t one of my goals.

Besides that, the variation that strongman offers compared to powerlifting really is really intriguing to me. I’ve come to notice that I’m more of a showman than a dude that would like to excel in a couple of carefully picked and monitored exercises, if you get what I mean (Think strongman deadlift variations and rules versus powerlifting)

[MarkKO]

Absolutely. Self awareness is a wonderful thing to have. I’m the opposite: vaguely curious about how well I could do in either strongman or bodybuilding but nowhere near enough to put any effort into finding out. I’m no showman.

[danteism]

@MarkKO

Self awareness is a wonderful thing to have

To me it’s really interesting how differently people act in different situations and in life. I like randomness and entertaining people and you like strict rules and regulation (or so it seems).

I perform really well when there’s, for example a high school class or a seniors class in the gym at the same time as I am, just because I know those people will be watching while I lift as my weights seem big to them. But I also know people who do best when the gym is empty, they hate it when there’s even a slight chance of someone seeing them lift.

I’m not saying one is better than the other, it’s just really interesting. And as you said, being self-aware and knowing what is your jam is a great thing.

[MarkKO]

Tell me about it. It will never cease to amaze me how people do things in ways I would never, ever contemplate.

[Voxel]

@MarkKO

First off, if you are aware that you can be unintentionally flirtatious you can stop it happening. So stop it happening

I agree with this bit.

@MarkKO

It isn’t something a person in a relationship should do, ever. It is extremely disrespectful.

I disagree with this bit. This depends on the relationship that you have and the understanding that you have with your partner. In this case, it’s a point of friction, so obviously the behaviour should be questioned but as a general rule I would not agree. There is some research indicating that even being attracted to other people other than your partner can be net-beneficial to a monogamous relationship.

@MarkKO

As a general rule as well, when you are having a disagreement make sure you think very, very carefully about what you say before you say it. There may be things you want to say that once said will make things much worse not just in the moment but afterwards. A lot of the time in a relationship an argument is resolved not by one person winning it, but by finding a middle ground. This may require one or both people to swallow their pride a bit (or a lot). Never compromise your integrity of course, but focus on resolving the anger and hurt behind the argument rather than the argument itself. A lot of fights aren’t about what you’re fighting about but something else entirely.

Good advice. A book I like to recommend on the subject is The Anatomy of Peace, I read it about once a year to re-establish within myself the firm understanding that other people have their own set of irrationalities that guide their behaviour and the book presents a nice model for understanding that. Leadership & Self-deception as well (same general idea, presented in a business context).

[danteism]

@Voxel

other people have their own set of irrationalities that guide their behaviour and the book presents a nice model for understanding that.

It’s kind of funny how logic, morals, common sense and all that are really dependant on context and the person in question. Guess that’s why people fight over seemingly small things.

Thanks for the book recommendations, I’ll definitely check them out!

[Voxel]

Fundamentally, the most important thing is acknowledging the other emotions of the other person even if you think that they are being unjust or irrational.

Many times, as we affect other people we weigh their reaction against our own intent. Usually, we do a thing without negative intent towards our partners, but if/when we do something that does negatively affect them we,

1. Argue that since we did not mean to hurt them, they shouldn’t be upset, and
2. we ourselves become upset because why would they assume that we meant to hurt them? (we ourselves are reactionary, too)

But, we must realise that effect is more important than intent and that by being someone who has said or done something upsetting to our partner we must own up to that first rather than argue that they have no right to be upset because our intent was not to generate that reaction.

There is a two-part series on shakesville with the primary title “Harmful Communication” you might want to check out if you don’t have time for books that go into this more in-depth.

[danteism]

@Voxel

• Argue that since we did not mean to hurt them, they shouldn’t be upset, and
• we ourselves become upset because why would they assume that we meant to hurt them?

I do recognize myself here. I feel like just the fact that I like being right and I like to argue (in a friendly manner, or a not so friendly manner if I dislike the other person) plays a certain role in why I do this. Because essentially, accepting that what I did, if the intention wasn’t to be hurtful still hurt someone would be the same as accepting that I made a mistake; I was wrong with my judgement of the situation and my actions.

@Voxel

But, we must realise that effect is more important than intent

That’s a powerful line.

@Voxel

There is a two-part series on shakesville with the primary title “Harmful Communication”

Thanks man! I’ll definitely check it out.

[MarkKO]

@Voxel

we must realise that effect is more important than intent

You can live by this.

[duketheslaya]

@danteism how are you?

[danteism]

@duketheslaya

how are you?

Pretty good. At the moment I’m working on moving together with my girlfriend. School starts soon as well and as I’m moving to a new city I’ve got to find a job.

Training-wise, nothing drastic has happened. Got around to play with some strongman equipment the other day, hit a triple with 105kg semi-strict log, some yoke walks with 250kgs and I loaded a 120kg stone as well. (never tried any of those before. I have no reference point for stone or yoke but with log I’m pretty happy)

No clue of the exact height for the stone load, it was around my lower chest so mabe 125cm or so.

Diet-wise I’m just taking it easy now. Eating meat, rice, eggs, oats, etc. just according to my appetite, so around 4.5K/day. ATM I weight around 93kgs

[duketheslaya]

@danteism

Pretty good. At the moment I’m working on moving together with my girlfriend. School starts soon as well and as I’m moving to a new city I’ve got to find a job.

Very nice!

@danteism

Training-wise, nothing drastic has happened. Got around to play with some strongman equipment the other day, hit a triple with 105kg semi-strict log, some yoke walks with 250kgs and I loaded a 120kg stone as well. (never tried any of those before. I have no reference point for stone or yoke but with log I’m pretty happy)

Well done

@danteism

ATM I weight around 93kgs

How lean are you? You must be pretty lean

[danteism]

@duketheslaya

How lean are you? You must be pretty lean

I’m around 10% right now. I like to keep myself pretty lean. Partly because it’s More aesthetic and partly because the amount of food I have to consume to really gain weight is pretty high. I don’t mind the eating part but cooking all that stuff? No thanks

[duketheslaya]

@danteism

I’m around 10% right now. I like to keep myself pretty lean. Partly because it’s More aesthetic and partly because the amount of food I have to consume to really gain weight is pretty high. I don’t mind the eating part but cooking all that stuff? No thanks

Cooking sucks! Have you got a rice cooker though? That and a crockpot would solve your problems

[danteism]

@duketheslaya

Cooking sucks! Have you got a rice cooker though? That and a crockpot would solve your problems

I got neither of those, but that is not a bad idea at all. Guess I have to get them

[duketheslaya]

@danteism

I got neither of those, but that is not a bad idea at all. Guess I have to get them

Il be buying those soon as well. I plan on leaning out a bit so I’m going to be following (Loosely) the vertical diet. I’ve dropped all junk because I eat like a fatty (on top of the typical meat rice veg etc I eat pizza when I shouldnt) it’s going to get hard but I dont need to eat junk, I should be fuelling my body with the best foods possible and eating a damn lot of them lol

[danteism]

@duketheslaya

I should be fuelling my body with the best foods possible and eating a damn lot of them

I’m pretty sure this is exactly what I told you two years ago (time really does fly, eh?)

Nevertheless, you’ve made astounding gains as of late. Hopefully you can keep on gaining

[duketheslaya]

@danteism

I’m pretty sure this is exactly what I told you two years ago (time really does fly, eh?)

Yeah you did!

@danteism

Nevertheless, you’ve made astounding gains as of late. Hopefully you can keep on gaining

Yeah the gains were pretty awesome, apart from in the last month where I over trained my cns and regressed lol