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I’m happy to dispense advice etc if people want to ask.

In the last 18 months I’ve had maybe 4 months ‘off’ from an eating plan. I get fat too easily, Im almost eating less cals than maintenance but seem to continue to grow. I chalk that up to adequate protein and quality calories.

In 5 years its gone like this

Bulk for a year, cut for 3 months, got colitis for two years an didn’t care about body comp only cared if I got stronger, then pretty much eating below maintenance since October 09, with little breaks of a month here or there.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Correct because your stage, your court, is the meet. Therefore you are a powerlifter. The gym is where you train, the meet is where you are made. Body building and Bodybuilding are two different things which is where Bodybuilders have their troubles and lack of respect. The gym is not the court, not the stage, not where you are determined to be a Bodybuilder. Cyclist, athletes of all kind think about their bodies all day, their nutrition, want to look good doesn’t make them bodybuilders.
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I like what you said here, making the distinction between body builder and Bodybuilder. It turns the argument into a semantics problem, which I’ve always solved by using terms bodybuilder and competitive bodybuilder. Same distinction, different terms. I see no problem with such a distinction. It’d be like calling ashy a powerlifter, and calling someone with meets under their belt a competitive powerlifter. I don’t think too many people would have a problem with that.[/quote]

Honestly, this seems silly. A powerlifter is someone who powerlifts. Performing maxes in the gym isn’t powerlifting, it’s training. Powerlifting is actually competing in a meet. Gym lifts mean shit, it’s all about what you do on the platform, and etc etc.

In the same sense, saying anyone that builds their body is a bodybuilder means that powerlifters are also bodybuilders, as are strongman, oly lifters, etc, yet in the bodybuilding section of the site people are pretty explicit about “no one cares how much you lift, it’s about how you look”. There are clearly other distinctions than simply “building the body” to determine who is and is not a bodybuilder.[/quote]

This is a semantic argument, do you not see that? It’s just an argument about which nouns describe a particular phenomenon in the world. Vocabulary is fluid. I’m still making the distinctions you’re talking about, but with different word choices. Don’t understand why you have a problem with this.

You can make the same distinctions just with a capital letter if you so choose/define the differences (ie powerlifter vs Powerlifter). Or you could make up other words and attach particular definitions to them, doesn’t matter. That’s why this argument sucks. I was still conveying the idea that there are distinctions between people who lift heavy weights in a gym, and people who do it in competition in front of people. Don’t be mad :slight_smile:

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looking great man!
Keep up the good work and hope all goes well for ya with the diet and comp plan!

just my two cents but shouldnt people who want to debate bodybuilding definition (which is fine) start a new thread for it?

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To say you are a bodybuilder because you lift without ever doing a competition is like saying you are an NBA player because you shoot around at the park. Its just not the case. Even if you were fat but entered a show, you would be a bodybuilder. A terrible one, but you would be on the grid and in the sport. Until you compete, you are just training to be a future competitor in your sport.

Nobody is gonna run sprints everyday and say they are a sprinter because its a way of life. You gotta get in the blocks and put the training to use!

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[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
To say you are a bodybuilder because you lift without ever doing a competition is like saying you are an NBA player because you shoot around at the park. Its just not the case. Even if you were fat but entered a show, you would be a bodybuilder. A terrible one, but you would be on the grid and in the sport. Until you compete, you are just training to be a future competitor in your sport.

Nobody is gonna run sprints everyday and say they are a sprinter because its a way of life. You gotta get in the blocks and put the training to use![/quote]

Don’t try to fuck up my Hoop Dreams. I’m going to be on the Knicks next year

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[quote]jwesus wrote:
I’m happy to dispense advice etc if people want to ask.

In the last 18 months I’ve had maybe 4 months ‘off’ from an eating plan. I get fat too easily, Im almost eating less cals than maintenance but seem to continue to grow. I chalk that up to adequate protein and quality calories.

In 5 years its gone like this

Bulk for a year, cut for 3 months, got colitis for two years an didn’t care about body comp only cared if I got stronger, then pretty much eating below maintenance since October 09, with little breaks of a month here or there.[/quote]

Just because I’m curious and I know others are, what have your lifts been like over the years? :slight_smile:

Great progress!

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
This is a semantic argument, do you not see that? It’s just an argument about which nouns describe a particular phenomenon in the world. Vocabulary is fluid. I’m still making the distinctions you’re talking about, but with different word choices. Don’t understand why you have a problem with this.

You can make the same distinctions just with a capital letter if you so choose/define the differences (ie powerlifter vs Powerlifter). Or you could make up other words and attach particular definitions to them, doesn’t matter. That’s why this argument sucks. I was still conveying the idea that there are distinctions between people who lift heavy weights in a gym, and people who do it in competition in front of people. Don’t be mad :)[/quote]

Understood - the problem is not with the argument itself, but the fact that the argument is even happening at all shits on this guy’s thread, and his accomplishments.

All because people feel the need to validate their own personal opinions, none of which has fuck-all to do with Jwesus accomplishments. It’s self important, immature, and simply RUDE.

That’s my issue - I don’t give a flying fuck what anyone wants to label themselves, but coming in here all high and mighty, calling this guy arrogant for referring to himself as a “bodybuilder” reeks of junior high school bullshit…

Not even you particularly, but in general it seems pretty obvious to me that derailing the guy’s thread with this kind of behavior is shitty as hell…

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Correct because your stage, your court, is the meet. Therefore you are a powerlifter. The gym is where you train, the meet is where you are made. Body building and Bodybuilding are two different things which is where Bodybuilders have their troubles and lack of respect. The gym is not the court, not the stage, not where you are determined to be a Bodybuilder. Cyclist, athletes of all kind think about their bodies all day, their nutrition, want to look good doesn’t make them bodybuilders.
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I like what you said here, making the distinction between body builder and Bodybuilder. It turns the argument into a semantics problem, which I’ve always solved by using terms bodybuilder and competitive bodybuilder. Same distinction, different terms. I see no problem with such a distinction. It’d be like calling ashy a powerlifter, and calling someone with meets under their belt a competitive powerlifter. I don’t think too many people would have a problem with that.[/quote]

Honestly, this seems silly. A powerlifter is someone who powerlifts. Performing maxes in the gym isn’t powerlifting, it’s training. Powerlifting is actually competing in a meet. Gym lifts mean shit, it’s all about what you do on the platform, and etc etc.

In the same sense, saying anyone that builds their body is a bodybuilder means that powerlifters are also bodybuilders, as are strongman, oly lifters, etc, yet in the bodybuilding section of the site people are pretty explicit about “no one cares how much you lift, it’s about how you look”. There are clearly other distinctions than simply “building the body” to determine who is and is not a bodybuilder.[/quote]

This is a semantic argument, do you not see that? It’s just an argument about which nouns describe a particular phenomenon in the world. Vocabulary is fluid. I’m still making the distinctions you’re talking about, but with different word choices. Don’t understand why you have a problem with this.

You can make the same distinctions just with a capital letter if you so choose/define the differences (ie powerlifter vs Powerlifter). Or you could make up other words and attach particular definitions to them, doesn’t matter. That’s why this argument sucks. I was still conveying the idea that there are distinctions between people who lift heavy weights in a gym, and people who do it in competition in front of people. Don’t be mad :)[/quote]

I realize the internet has made it as such that the concept of a coversation is foreign, and that anyone tha ever offers you a dissenting viewpoint is attacking you and clearly “mad”, but I am attempting to go back to a time where discussions occured between adults who could disagree on something as a point offact versus emotional instability. I am aware it is a semantic argument, and I take issue with the word choice being employed, in that I disagree with how you define what is a powerlifter, hence my claim that it is silly. You are correct that you could use different nouns to express your point, and I would say doing so would be ideal, as it would more aaccurately convey the information. As I said, a powerlifter would be one who powerlifts, and if we wanted to convey the idea of one who is maxing out in the gym, they could be a trainee, enthusiast, hobbyist, etc.

You are correct, language is fluid and provides us a variety of capabilities to express ourselves and convey ideas. It seems enitrely anti-intellectual to attempt to shoehorn everything into one word when we can instead use a variety of nouns and adjectives to more accurately convey information.

If you still don’t see why I would take issue with this, you can PM me and we can continue, but I would hope this would alleviate any confusion you had as you expressed not knowing why I would argue this and believed the subject had angered me.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Understood - the problem is not with the argument itself, but the fact that the argument is even happening at all shits on this guy’s thread, and his accomplishments.

All because people feel the need to validate their own personal opinions, none of which has fuck-all to do with Jwesus accomplishments. It’s self important, immature, and simply RUDE.

That’s my issue - I don’t give a flying fuck what anyone wants to label themselves, but coming in here all high and mighty, calling this guy arrogant for referring to himself as a “bodybuilder” reeks of junior high school bullshit…

Not even you particularly, but in general it seems pretty obvious to me that derailing the guy’s thread with this kind of behavior is shitty as hell… [/quote]

Get over yourself.

You are constantly moaning about people’s attitude on this site and have been for YEARS.

OP - arms looking big in the avi.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
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Agreed.

It IS just a discussion, and not some evil masterplan to take down the OP or anyone else.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
This is a semantic argument, do you not see that? It’s just an argument about which nouns describe a particular phenomenon in the world. Vocabulary is fluid. I’m still making the distinctions you’re talking about, but with different word choices. Don’t understand why you have a problem with this.

You can make the same distinctions just with a capital letter if you so choose/define the differences (ie powerlifter vs Powerlifter). Or you could make up other words and attach particular definitions to them, doesn’t matter. That’s why this argument sucks. I was still conveying the idea that there are distinctions between people who lift heavy weights in a gym, and people who do it in competition in front of people. Don’t be mad :)[/quote]

Understood - the problem is not with the argument itself, but the fact that the argument is even happening at all shits on this guy’s thread, and his accomplishments.

All because people feel the need to validate their own personal opinions, none of which has fuck-all to do with Jwesus accomplishments. It’s self important, immature, and simply RUDE.

That’s my issue - I don’t give a flying fuck what anyone wants to label themselves, but coming in here all high and mighty, calling this guy arrogant for referring to himself as a “bodybuilder” reeks of junior high school bullshit…

Not even you particularly, but in general it seems pretty obvious to me that derailing the guy’s thread with this kind of behavior is shitty as hell… [/quote]

Debating if bodybuilding is a sport or not in a thread in a forum is shitty behavior? Don’t get your panties in a bunch. We didn’t all realize that threads have only one topic and must be laser focused on them. Do you not have conversations in real life? Do you not start talking about one thing and then end up somewhere else?

If this guys pictures are so important to you then how come you didn’t just talk about that instead of what Flip and others are debating?

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Debating if bodybuilding is a sport or not in a thread in a forum is shitty behavior? Don’t get your panties in a bunch. We didn’t all realize that threads have only one topic and must be laser focused on them. Do you not have conversations in real life? Do you not start talking about one thing and then end up somewhere else?

If this guys pictures are so important to you then how come you didn’t just talk about that instead of what Flip and others are debating?
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why even post at all if you don’t like it?

oh yeah that’s right to bitch and moan about these forums and this site in general AGAIN.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Correct because your stage, your court, is the meet. Therefore you are a powerlifter. The gym is where you train, the meet is where you are made. Body building and Bodybuilding are two different things which is where Bodybuilders have their troubles and lack of respect. The gym is not the court, not the stage, not where you are determined to be a Bodybuilder. Cyclist, athletes of all kind think about their bodies all day, their nutrition, want to look good doesn’t make them bodybuilders.
[/quote]

I like what you said here, making the distinction between body builder and Bodybuilder. It turns the argument into a semantics problem, which I’ve always solved by using terms bodybuilder and competitive bodybuilder. Same distinction, different terms. I see no problem with such a distinction. It’d be like calling ashy a powerlifter, and calling someone with meets under their belt a competitive powerlifter. I don’t think too many people would have a problem with that.[/quote]

Honestly, this seems silly. A powerlifter is someone who powerlifts. Performing maxes in the gym isn’t powerlifting, it’s training. Powerlifting is actually competing in a meet. Gym lifts mean shit, it’s all about what you do on the platform, and etc etc.

In the same sense, saying anyone that builds their body is a bodybuilder means that powerlifters are also bodybuilders, as are strongman, oly lifters, etc, yet in the bodybuilding section of the site people are pretty explicit about “no one cares how much you lift, it’s about how you look”. There are clearly other distinctions than simply “building the body” to determine who is and is not a bodybuilder.[/quote]

This is a semantic argument, do you not see that? It’s just an argument about which nouns describe a particular phenomenon in the world. Vocabulary is fluid. I’m still making the distinctions you’re talking about, but with different word choices. Don’t understand why you have a problem with this.

You can make the same distinctions just with a capital letter if you so choose/define the differences (ie powerlifter vs Powerlifter). Or you could make up other words and attach particular definitions to them, doesn’t matter. That’s why this argument sucks. I was still conveying the idea that there are distinctions between people who lift heavy weights in a gym, and people who do it in competition in front of people. Don’t be mad :)[/quote]

I realize the internet has made it as such that the concept of a coversation is foreign, and that anyone tha ever offers you a dissenting viewpoint is attacking you and clearly “mad”, but I am attempting to go back to a time where discussions occured between adults who could disagree on something as a point offact versus emotional instability. I am aware it is a semantic argument, and I take issue with the word choice being employed, in that I disagree with how you define what is a powerlifter, hence my claim that it is silly. You are correct that you could use different nouns to express your point, and I would say doing so would be ideal, as it would more aaccurately convey the information. As I said, a powerlifter would be one who powerlifts, and if we wanted to convey the idea of one who is maxing out in the gym, they could be a trainee, enthusiast, hobbyist, etc.

You are correct, language is fluid and provides us a variety of capabilities to express ourselves and convey ideas. It seems enitrely anti-intellectual to attempt to shoehorn everything into one word when we can instead use a variety of nouns and adjectives to more accurately convey information.

If you still don’t see why I would take issue with this, you can PM me and we can continue, but I would hope this would alleviate any confusion you had as you expressed not knowing why I would argue this and believed the subject had angered me.[/quote]

No confusion, I get what you’re saying. I totally didn’t think you were mad, hence the :slight_smile: after I said that. Just a little levity.

I think to the lay-person, my definitions are just fine, because it conveys the intended message accurately. I also understand why you would take issue with this. Your avatar shows you compete, and therefore have a personal interest in how the term is accurately used. I have no problem with that. I also see no reason to call myself a ‘hobbyist’. That’s ridiculous, and you know it is. If someone asked me what I was doing in the gym if I was bench pressing, deadlifting or squatting, I would personally tell them that I was performing powerlifting movements.

Whether or not this is the absolute most accurate description, I dunno. It gets the message across. I can explain to a person that the 3 standard powerlifting events are max squat, bench, and dl. If they asked, “so you’re powerlifting”? I would say yes. I would not correct them and say “No! I’m a hobbyist and a trainee. I am by no means a powerlifter!” That’s my only point.

If I had a conversation with someone who actually competes and THEY asked me if I was a powerlifter, I would respond differently, because it’s a different audience. I would say that I enjoy the sport, but I’ve never competed, and wouldn’t call myself a powerlifter.

Hopefully this broader explanation shows where I’m really coming from with this.

Also, OP still looks awesome. Pants are a 10.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
If I had a conversation with someone who actually competes and THEY asked me if I was a powerlifter, I would respond differently, because it’s a different audience. I would say that I enjoy the sport, but I’ve never competed, and wouldn’t call myself a powerlifter.
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I don’t understand why you have been disagreeing with me in this thread then. This site is not for the layperson, it is the “different audience” you are talking about - people with knowledge of training, competition, the difference between BB and PL etc etc.

Doesn’t make sense for your “yolo why you got ur head up ur ass bro?” type posts.

ANYWAY, nevermind, as we are all saying while continuing to post lol, i ain’t mad.

What’s that?..another lengthy diatribe from Skynett is on it’s way? GREAT!

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

In the same sense, saying anyone that builds their body is a bodybuilder means that powerlifters are also bodybuilders…[/quote]

Well, technically we are since we do build our bodies.

Bodybuilding is an unfortunate term. They should really be called ‘body exhibitors’ or something along those lines.

I personally make the distinction by separating ‘competitive bodybuilders’ from people who are only ‘bodybuilders’ to the extent that they build their bodies.

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
If I had a conversation with someone who actually competes and THEY asked me if I was a powerlifter, I would respond differently, because it’s a different audience. I would say that I enjoy the sport, but I’ve never competed, and wouldn’t call myself a powerlifter.
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I don’t understand why you have been disagreeing with me in this thread then. This site is not for the layperson, it is the “different audience” you are talking about - people with knowledge of training, competition, the difference between BB and PL etc etc.

Doesn’t make sense for your “yolo why you got ur head up ur ass bro?” type posts.

ANYWAY, nevermind, as we are all saying while continuing to post lol, i ain’t mad.

What’s that?..another lengthy diatribe from Skynett is on it’s way? GREAT![/quote]

Most of my recent posts in this thread haven’t really been directed at you to be honest, the argument went in a little bit of a different direction. My problem with your original argument was that I felt like ANYONE who competes in a show falls into the category of competitive bodybuilder, because they stepped on stage and competed. Anyone who hasn’t competed is in the other category of generic body builder, or builder of bodies, or gym rat, or whatever you want to call it. I believe you disagreed. Doesn’t matter, that’s definitely just an opinion, I have no problem with you defining bodybuilder differently, or competitive bodybuilder, etc.

Generally speaking, I think your posts are pretty legit, and I understand where you’re coming from most of the time, but I’m not a fan of the fact that most of them are pretty negative. I think you don’t come across very well in a lot of these threads, because your comments are just attacks on people. You’re young and opinionated, I get that, it just comes with some natural positives and negatives :slight_smile: It’d be cool if you’d post a pic or 2, or potentially a training log (do you have one that I missed?) so the community would know you practice what you preach and aren’t just shitting on everyone else though, lol. If you look decent, you’d get more respect around here for sure.

Hope you take this all positively, not trying to offend, just making some observations that I think a lot of others on here would agree with.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I’m not a fan of the fact that most of them are pretty negative. I think you don’t come across very well in a lot of these threads, because your comments are just attacks on people.[/quote]

I don’t think this is fair or accurate, but feel free to think what you wish. I have given many positive comments and opinions in this very thread as an example.

It is pretty weak to say I have “attacked” the OP by saying I don’t think he is a BB if he hasn’t competed in a BB competition. To be honest the main reason i even mentioned it is because he said “i am a BB not a PL.” If you do not even compete in either, the distinction is pretty redundant imo.

I will send you a PM now on your other points, as this isn’t my thread.

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I didn’t say you attacked the OP. I said in general. As in, other threads. Sorry if that wasn’t clear, that’s my bad. My point was to enlighten you as to how you come across on this site, I don’t care if you change or not, it’s just my perspective. Do what you want.

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Mac lifts ever are in kg’s cause in too lazy too convert them to lbs

Flat bench 160kgx3
Incline bench 120kgx3
Seated shoulder press 110kgx5 or 120x3
Seated db press 47.5kgx6
Barbell curls 85kgx5
deadlift 232.5kgx1
Shrugs 6 plates x5
Bent over rows 160kgx6(wasn’t strict), 130kgx8(strict)
Squats 165kgx1 or 105kgx23
Front squats 135kgx2

-I’ve hit these all at one point or another. I doubt I could do any of the pressing ones at the moment or the 1 rep max for back squat. I don’t like doing weights where I can’t control it with the target muscle.

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Huge shoulder pressing, impressive!