Nagin is Nuts

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]vroom wrote:

Your deep seated need to find black members of society racist speaks volumes about your own mentality. There, that is something else that is unfortunate.[/quote]

It isn’t just seen in regards to Nagen. My last post that evoked such a strong response didn’t mention race or imply it AT ALL…yet they still tried to use that to make an issue of racism on my part. It truly does seem that the desire is simply to find a black man they can accuse of racism instead of notice it within society or themselves.

I swear, I see nothing more racist than grouping the voting habits of foreigners together with those of Americans to point out a difference…simply because they are both dark skinned.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
It’s been stated previously, but if a white mayor had called for his city to remain predominately white, and that god himself desired it, there would be calls for him to step down and resign. And rightly so.

Ahahahahaha.

Okay, yeah, you really think Nagin was proposing that whitey be ejected from New Orleans?[/quote]

Hey smartguy, please don’t put words in my mouth. I never once stated that he wanted to “eject whitey”. Where the fuck dou you come up with this dumb shit?

[quote]
This is what you believe? Nagin is going to discriminate against whitey, by trying ensure people return to all sectors of New Orleans?[/quote]

What I believe is exactly what his speech entailed. Trying to ensure that everybody has a chance to return to NO?, that’s great! The problem comes into play when he started to speak of the desired racial makeup for the city being predominately black. The context of his speech was that he certainly wouldn’t want the city to be predominately white or hispanic.

sorry vroomie, that is racist.

[quote]
The only thing you and your ilk keep showing us is your keen desire to find a certain type of fault within a black man. There is plenty of fault to be found with his speech, but evidence of real racism it is not.

Your deep seated need to find black members of society racist speaks volumes about your own mentality. There, that is something else that is unfortunate.[/quote]

Go fuck yourself vroom. I have no “keen desire to find a certain type of fault within a black man”, I simply call them as I see them. I’ll repost for your benefit:

[i]Nagin also promised that New Orleans will be a “chocolate” city again. Many of the city’s black neighborhoods were heavily damaged by Katrina.

"It’s time for us to come together. It’s time for us to rebuild New Orleans ? the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans," the mayor said. “This city will be a [u]majority African American city. It’s the way God wants it to be. You can’t have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn’t be New Orleans.” [/i][/u]

You seem intent on painting me and my “ilk” as racists for calling nagin on his racist remarks. I’m not a racist for recognizing racist remarks and I fucking resent you and your “ilk” for painting me as such.

Why don’t you come down off your high horse for a while and dispense with the mightier than thou attitude.

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Flaming,

I’m not the one doing the painting bright boy, you are doing that all by your little lonesome.

If you resent the results of opening your mouth, then perhaps you should think about what you are saying… instead of blaming me for the results of your statements.

People can discuss racial issues without it in fact being a racist statement… maybe some day you’ll develop the keen insight to see the subtle differences.

I’m not going to be holding my breath.

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pox wrote:

“Bush sticks his foot in his mouth so regularly that we have gotten used to it. Nagen gives one poor speach and you have people acting like he is the devil. Why can’t cheerleaders be consistant? What does it really say of his mega-education if the president seems to have difficulty pronouncing words? Do we get to blame it on Lousiana school systems as well? Just wondering.”

Thanks for the usual deflection.

There is a world of difference between open racism (nagin) and misprounouncing words (bush).

Nice try,

JeffR

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Flaming,

I’m not the one doing the painting bright boy, you are doing that all by your little lonesome.

If you resent the results of opening your mouth, then perhaps you should think about what you are saying… instead of blaming me for the results of your statements.

People can discuss racial issues without it in fact being a racist statement… maybe some day you’ll develop the keen insight to see the subtle differences.

I’m not going to be holding my breath.[/quote]

Vroomie,

I interpreted this as a racist comment, not simply “unfortunate”.

“It’s time for us to come together. It’s time for us to rebuild New Orleans ? the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans,” the mayor said. [b]“This city will be a [u]majority African American city. It’s the way God wants it to be. You can’t have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn’t be New Orleans.” [/b][/u]

You then proceeded to label me a racist.

Now you feel the need to lecture me on how to proceed with a discussion on race? Whatever, I’m just calling them as I see them. Keep spining this whole thing if you feel the need.

Nagin calling for his city to be predominately black is not what I would call "discussing racial issues.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
pox wrote:

“Bush sticks his foot in his mouth so regularly that we have gotten used to it. Nagen gives one poor speach and you have people acting like he is the devil. Why can’t cheerleaders be consistant? What does it really say of his mega-education if the president seems to have difficulty pronouncing words? Do we get to blame it on Lousiana school systems as well? Just wondering.”

Thanks for the usual deflection.

There is a world of difference between open racism (nagin) and misprounouncing words (bush).

Nice try,

JeffR

[/quote]

My point exactly.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
pox wrote:

“Bush sticks his foot in his mouth so regularly that we have gotten used to it. Nagen gives one poor speach and you have people acting like he is the devil. Why can’t cheerleaders be consistant? What does it really say of his mega-education if the president seems to have difficulty pronouncing words? Do we get to blame it on Lousiana school systems as well? Just wondering.”

Thanks for the usual deflection.

There is a world of difference between open racism (nagin) and misprounouncing words (bush).

Nice try,

JeffR

[/quote]

Nice misinterpretation. There is a huge difference between racism, and a poorly written speach that was speaking to the people who felt they were being left out of a rebuilding process because of race.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
vroom wrote:
Flaming,

I’m not the one doing the painting bright boy, you are doing that all by your little lonesome.

If you resent the results of opening your mouth, then perhaps you should think about what you are saying… instead of blaming me for the results of your statements.

People can discuss racial issues without it in fact being a racist statement… maybe some day you’ll develop the keen insight to see the subtle differences.

I’m not going to be holding my breath.

Vroomie,

I interpreted this as a racist comment, not simply “unfortunate”.

“It’s time for us to come together. It’s time for us to rebuild New Orleans ? the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans,” the mayor said. [b]“This city will be a [u]majority African American city. It’s the way God wants it to be. You can’t have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn’t be New Orleans.” [/b][/u]

You then proceeded to label me a racist.

Now you feel the need to lecture me on how to proceed with a discussion on race? Whatever, I’m just calling them as I see them. Keep spining this whole thing if you feel the need.

Nagin calling for his city to be predominately black is not what I would call "discussing racial issues.

[/quote]

Wasn’t New Orleans “pre-Katrina” a majority African American city? Just wondering.

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Flaming,

I’m just calling them as I see them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wasn’t New Orleans “pre-Katrina” a majority African American city? Just wondering.[/quote]

Yes, I believe it was. But does that mean that a mayor of a major U.S. city can intone within a speech that he and god both want NO to be a majority black when it is rebuilt?

That in and of itself says that he and god would consider it a shame if there were more white folks than black folks to repopulate the city. That’s right, sure wouldn’t want too many crackers in NO. That would be a shame huh.

Do you really not see this as a racist statement? I’m sure god doesn’t give an ounce of shit what color the city is when it is rebuilt and niether should America.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m just calling them as I see them.

Flaming,

I’m just calling them as I see them.[/quote]

Nice deflection. You still haven’t proven to me why calling nagin’s racist remarks racist, makes me a racist.

Do you think politicians should publicly decree what there city’s desired racial makeup should be? I think that would probably make MLK a little sad.

I breathlessly await your condecending explanation.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Wasn’t New Orleans “pre-Katrina” a majority African American city? Just wondering.

Yes, I believe it was. But does that mean that a mayor of a major U.S. city can intone within a speech that he and god both want NO to be a majority black when it is rebuilt?

That in and of itself says that he and god would consider it a shame if there were more white folks than black folks to repopulate the city. That’s right, sure wouldn’t want too many crackers in NO. That would be a shame huh.

Do you really not see this as a racist statement? I’m sure god doesn’t give an ounce of shit what color the city is when it is rebuilt and niether should America.

[/quote]

Next question, was there a perception by many displaced blacks that they were being left out of the rebuilding process?

Question #3- Could you please point out a CURRENT event where American whites in majority have either been publicly degraded because of race, had a crime committed by an individual or small group of people used to define their entire race, or been misplaced due to a natural event and held the belief that they were being left out of the repopulation and rebuilding due to race?

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Flaming,

I’m feeling generous today, it is Sunday after all, so I’ll run the clue train down your lonely little track because I’m sure it doesn’t come by very often in your neck of the woods.

To make Nagin’s statement racist, you have to do some TWISTING of your own.

Explain to me, in what way Nagin said anything bad about white people or how he intends to discriminate against white people.

Seriously, there is no way you can reasonably interpret his statements to do that, especially given the circumstances of his speech.

I hope you took a picture buddy, because the train ain’t going to stop at your desolate little station.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Flaming,

I’m feeling generous today, it is Sunday after all, so I’ll run the clue train down your lonely little track because I’m sure it doesn’t come by very often in your neck of the woods.[/quote]

More condecending, dumbass remarks from the great vroomie.

[quote]
To make Nagin’s statement racist, you have to do some TWISTING of your own.[/quote]

All the twising is being done by you smartguy.

[quote]
Explain to me, in what way Nagin said anything bad about white people or how he intends to discriminate against white people.

Seriously, there is no way you can reasonably interpret his statements to do that, especially given the circumstances of his speech.

I hope you took a picture buddy, because the train ain’t going to stop at your desolate little station.[/quote]

You’re making the definition of racism limited too SPECIFIC derogatory comments regarding a race?

So if I was to say:

“I don’t have anything against black people, I just don’t want too many of them to live by me. That’s the way god wants it.”

Or how about this:

“I like black people, I just think it would be a shame if my son dated a black woman, that’s the way god wants it.”

Nagin did not lay out any specific plans for him to keep out whitey. He simply stated that he didn’t want too many of them living in his city.

If you pull hard enough you might just be able to dislodge your head out of your ass.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Nagin did not lay out any specific plans for him to keep out whitey. He simply stated that he didn’t want too many of them living in his city.

[/quote]

When did he say this? I never read a quote from him saying he didn’t want too many whites living in New Orleans.

PS, You missed those questions up above.

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You guys are missing the point. I didn’t read all the posts, because I didn’t have that much time, but the ‘Chocolate City’ thing…

Is obviously a genius Nagin preventing the New Orleans Saints from drafting Matt Leinart with the #2 pick and experiencing 10 more losing seasons.

The ‘Chocolate City’ would obviously draft Vince Young…

Some call this racist - I call it genius.

CR

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
All the twising is being done by you smartguy.
[/quote]

See below…

[quote]You’re making the definition of racism limited too SPECIFIC derogatory comments regarding a race?

So if I was to say:

“I don’t have anything against black people, I just don’t want too many of them to live by me. That’s the way god wants it.”

Or how about this:

“I like black people, I just think it would be a shame if my son dated a black woman, that’s the way god wants it.”
[/quote]

If you said those things, you’d be saying or implying negative things about black people. That would lump you into the definitions of bigotry and/or racism, depending on your meaning and intent.

Don’t blame me because you don’t like the meaning of those terms. Saying you don’t like how I’m “defining it” is pretty stupid.

No, he didn’t say he didn’t want too many of them living in his city. You say I am twisting, and that I shouldn’t put words in your mouth, but you feel free to do exactly that to Nagin.

Later crackhead.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Wasn’t New Orleans “pre-Katrina” a majority African American city? Just wondering.

Yes, I believe it was. But does that mean that a mayor of a major U.S. city can intone within a speech that he and god both want NO to be a majority black when it is rebuilt?

That in and of itself says that he and god would consider it a shame if there were more white folks than black folks to repopulate the city. That’s right, sure wouldn’t want too many crackers in NO. That would be a shame huh.

Do you really not see this as a racist statement? I’m sure god doesn’t give an ounce of shit what color the city is when it is rebuilt and niether should America.

Next question, was there a perception by many displaced blacks that they were being left out of the rebuilding process?[/quote]

Key word here being perception. I personally don’t know if there are real cases of blacks being left out of the rebuilding process. I do know for a fact that Nagin publicly whined that he was worried about his city being overrun by hispanics.

WTF?

If iwas to post something on this board saying that I was worried about America being overrun by hispanics, I would get seriously flamed. And rightly so.

[quote]
Question #3- Could you please point out a CURRENT event where American whites in majority have either been publicly degraded because of race, had a crime committed by an individual or small group of people used to define their entire race, or been misplaced due to a natural event and held the belief that they were being left out of the repopulation and rebuilding due to race?[/quote]

I’ve seen Farakkan, Sharpton, and even Hillary degrade the white majority often and when it suited them.

I personally don’t believe that blacks are being left out of the rebuilding process due to their race specifically. But if you can show me real cases where this has happened I would love to read them.

All of this however takes away from the fact that nagin publicly stated that he does not want too many white folks living in NO.

What color do you think NO should be when it’s rebuilt?

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Prof and Vroomie,

Sure he never specifically said that, he implied it. Is implying these beliefs any better?

“It’s time for us to come together. It’s time for us to rebuild New Orleans ? the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans,” the mayor said. [b]“This city will be a majority African American city. It’s the way God wants it to be. [u]You can’t have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn’t be New Orleans.” [/b][/u]

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[quote]vroom wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
All the twising is being done by you smartguy.

See below…

You’re making the definition of racism limited too SPECIFIC derogatory comments regarding a race?

So if I was to say:

“I don’t have anything against black people, I just don’t want too many of them to live by me. That’s the way god wants it.”

Or how about this:

“I like black people, I just think it would be a shame if my son dated a black woman, that’s the way god wants it.”

If you said those things, you’d be saying or implying negative things about black people. That would lump you into the definitions of bigotry and/or racism, depending on your meaning and intent.

Don’t blame me because you don’t like the meaning of those terms. Saying you don’t like how I’m “defining it” is pretty stupid.

Nagin did not lay out any specific plans for him to keep out whitey. He simply stated that he didn’t want too many of them living in his city.

No, he didn’t say he didn’t want too many of them living in his city. You say I am twisting, and that I shouldn’t put words in your mouth, but you feel free to do exactly that to Nagin.

Later crackhead.[/quote]

Later Dumbass.