N.O.P.D. Most Crooked of All

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I agree Vroom. I live in a small midwest town of only 13,000 people and notice that many who aspire to the local police and sheriff’s department are a bit too turned on by authority. Some are peers of mine from school (31 yrs old) and I’ve found an inordinate number of “little men” in blue uniforms. Now I’m not generalizing, but there is a time to drop the PC crap and call a spade a spade.

The two fat officers here both graduated a few years ahead of me in school and both used pot and partied pretty heavily. Another is a brick shy of a load and can’t wait to get his hands on a weapon to compensate for some inadequacy issues. One got caught “forgetting” about a sawed-off shotgun he had taken into custody (in his trunk)that found it’s way to his house. Just a little keepsake I guess. Then another had been trying to get on for nearly 10 years. Knew him well. He’d use his “resources” to check out the history on women he’d pull over.

Got a bit of a surprise when he pulled me over once in my wife’s car. Expected someone a bit prettier than me at the wheel. He resigned after charges were brought against him for saying/offering something inappropriate to a high school girl. Part of the agreement was that the situation not be made public.

Then there’s the idiot who graduated with my wife (from our local school) who pulled us over in a family vehicle for not turning my headlights on at dusk after we left the car hop. Doesn’t bother pulling alongside the vehicle and motioning about the lights. Just embarrasses us with the exciting light show and cocky swagger. That flak jacket must have bulked him up to a 42" t-shirt.

Keep in mind this is just what I know of. I keep to myself so I’m out of the loop until it engulfs me by force. Oh and there’s only maybe 30-40 cops on the force. Not good percentages.

I respect the one good cop I know. I give the rest the benefit of the doubt. Hope he can keep his integrity. Oh yeah, the previous Sheriff’s daughter is a meth user and he couldn’t even spell his own name. Deputy Kendall used to bust in on parties and when everyone saw it was him, they’d relax and laugh while he had some nose candy with them. Perhaps things would be better if we could pack a piece and watch out for ourselves.

It’s a disheartening thing.

DH

[quote]vroom wrote:
Most of the time if a cops roughs someone up or is a dick that person deserved it.

And you call my statement retarded and generalized?

The police are not supposed to be the judge and the jury. There is a reason for the separation of powers. This is one of those reasons… the potential for the abuse of their power.

Nice to see that you support that abuse… and yes, sometimes people deserve it, but it is NOT the job of the police to see that they get it, except through lawful means.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I can see why a lot of cops get into fights cause when the have dealings with honest citizens they give them shit as if they are some kind of criminal.you guys have to look at that side of the picture to.cops dont know everything even though some think they do.

When I was a kid, our house was broken into. They stole everything, even the bed sheets. We assume they used them to carry out the smaller items like the toaster and my He-man action figures (I guess thieves have kids too). My dad called the police and it took 2 hours before someone showed up.

This was South East Houston…Southpark, quite different than River Oaks…the “bad” side of town. I just called it “home”. That was how things went, however. That song “911 is a joke” wasn’t written for no reason. There are many people in this country who have been treated poorly by the police. To ignore that is retarded. You gain respect by giving it. The truth is, many people have never gotten it, regardless of the few who claim they are one of the righteous police who do actually treat people fairly. The police have an image problem. I wonder how long before they realize that no one can change that but them?[/quote]

Everything is always retarded to you. You just don’t get it. Before I worked in law enforcement I had more negative run ins and still to this day have more negative run ins with people in the medical field not knowing how to treat people as people or fucking up prescriptions and the likes. I will stand by this statement, you wouldn’t know what the fuck to do in one of my daily situations. I admit not going through medical school I would be the same in one of your situations. The difference, I unlike you never claimed I knew what i was doing in your field. You spout off about all these changes and the likes but know shit about law enforcement.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I can see why a lot of cops get into fights cause when the have dealings with honest citizens they give them shit as if they are some kind of criminal.you guys have to look at that side of the picture to.cops dont know everything even though some think they do.

When I was a kid, our house was broken into. They stole everything, even the bed sheets. We assume they used them to carry out the smaller items like the toaster and my He-man action figures (I guess thieves have kids too). My dad called the police and it took 2 hours before someone showed up.

This was South East Houston…Southpark, quite different than River Oaks…the “bad” side of town. I just called it “home”. That was how things went, however. That song “911 is a joke” wasn’t written for no reason. There are many people in this country who have been treated poorly by the police. To ignore that is retarded. You gain respect by giving it. The truth is, many people have never gotten it, regardless of the few who claim they are one of the righteous police who do actually treat people fairly. The police have an image problem. I wonder how long before they realize that no one can change that but them?

Everything is always retarded to you. You just don’t get it. Before I worked in law enforcement I had more negative run ins and still to this day have more negative run ins with people in the medical field not knowing how to treat people as people or fucking up prescriptions and the likes. I will stand by this statement, you wouldn’t know what the fuck to do in one of my daily situations. I admit not going through medical school I would be the same in one of your situations. The difference, I unlike you never claimed I knew what i was doing in your field. You spout off about all these changes and the likes but know shit about law enforcement.[/quote]

What do I need to know about law enforcement to enable me to see when a man is being beaten far beyond what is necessary to subdue him? Is there a class I need to take that will make me believe that this man deserved to be beaten? Perhaps when I was a kid, our house was just really really far from the police station and they had to walk. Perhaps I got pulled over several times in college while driving home on breaks from school simply because I “looked like” a guy who just committed a crime! By God, you’re right. I have been blind all along.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I can see why a lot of cops get into fights cause when the have dealings with honest citizens they give them shit as if they are some kind of criminal.you guys have to look at that side of the picture to.cops dont know everything even though some think they do.

When I was a kid, our house was broken into. They stole everything, even the bed sheets. We assume they used them to carry out the smaller items like the toaster and my He-man action figures (I guess thieves have kids too). My dad called the police and it took 2 hours before someone showed up.

This was South East Houston…Southpark, quite different than River Oaks…the “bad” side of town. I just called it “home”. That was how things went, however. That song “911 is a joke” wasn’t written for no reason. There are many people in this country who have been treated poorly by the police. To ignore that is retarded. You gain respect by giving it. The truth is, many people have never gotten it, regardless of the few who claim they are one of the righteous police who do actually treat people fairly. The police have an image problem. I wonder how long before they realize that no one can change that but them?[/quote]

X,

i typed before that i wasn’t going to argue with you anymore and i meant it-however, i will breifly respond to this, and possibly shed some light on your situation.

when people call the police, the type of call will determine the amount of officers dispatched and the priority. now if you’re reporting a break-in that occurred and the suspect(s) is gone, that’s gonna be a lower priority than a fight in progress (due to the urgency of the situation). and since you said that you grew up in a rough part of town, there’s a distinct possibilty that many of the cops were out dealing with fights, stabbings, etc. however, that might not have been the case…i’m just telling you things that i know.

also, i started another thread ( http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=786180 ) due to the discussion from here, and invite y’all to check it out.

if there’s an image problem with the police, i would prefer to not make it worse, and at least help shed some light on issues that osme of you might have.

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[quote]ron33 wrote:
You should know what your dealing with before you become a police officer,if you have any street expierience,think about it and if you dont think you can handle it ,dont do it for a living.Hell the one big guy in the video could have put the old guy in a Bear hug for a few seconds while his partner slapped the cuffs on.the situation would have been under control real fast .I had a nutty cop pull his gun out on me and my family when i was 6 on a sunday morning coming from the grocery,he had a rep of pushing people around,and nothing was done about it till he roughed up a politician in towns relative.

then they gave him a phsych. evaluation and said he shouldnt have been carrying a gun in the first place and thru him off the force.If he would have shot my dad and taken him away from me as a little boy .Guess what? when i grew up he would have been put down so no other little kids would suffer.[/quote]

Ron,

well using a bear hug is a really bad idea, since then that officer is in the other officer’s way, and the suspect can still reach his weapons and he can’t prevent it. i do agree-if you’re afraid to “mix it up” you shouldn’t be a cop. but the key when fighting with people as a police officer, is to hit them as hard as possible, every time. it’s not a game…every time we show up there’s a gun involved. most of the time the bad guys do too, and they fight with us in order to access those weapons. that’s why police officers are so serious when it comes to fighting…

in reference to the cop pulling a gun on your family-that sucks. it’s good that he got fired, and is probably the reason why we (at least in Iowa) have to pass a battery of psysch evals before we can be certified officers…

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I know in my city the police dept. makes a big mistake with man power.I am no expert but the city has a lot of trouble because they put most of their white young cops in all black areas,This police force has most of their white cops come from a part of town that doesnt have any black people and they have a preconcieved notion before they have contact.I know because when i was young i attended mostly black school and later moved near this all white area and couldnt believe the things the white kids would say,I would tell them they didnt know what they were talking about and they would argue with me and i would ask if they had any black friends and none of them knew any black people.I think the police dept. should at least team up a white and black officer or mostly black officers that the public can identify and have some rapor with.But they send these cocky young guys and girls into an area and they think people are going to tolerate their smart ass attitude.They could probably solve a big problem if they would just do something that simple.

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[quote]ron33 wrote:
I know in my city the police dept. makes a big mistake with man power.I am no expert but the city has a lot of trouble because they put most of their white young cops in all black areas,This police force has most of their white cops come from a part of town that doesnt have any black people and they have a preconcieved notion before they have contact.I know because when i was young i attended mostly black school and later moved near this all white area and couldnt believe the things the white kids would say,I would tell them they didnt know what they were talking about and they would argue with me and i would ask if they had any black friends and none of them knew any black people.I think the police dept. should at least team up a white and black officer or mostly black officers that the public can identify and have some rapor with.But they send these cocky young guys and girls into an area and they think people are going to tolerate their smart ass attitude.They could probably solve a big problem if they would just do something that simple.[/quote]

that’s an interesting point, man…i actually know a couple guys that work in Chicago, and a lot of the guys that grew up in the projects don’t want to work there. i’m not sure specific reason, though. that’s kinda why a lot of the white kids get sent in there…

on my department, none of the black officers are currently on the street-they’re all doing some other assignment. so as far as that’s concerned, the public doesn’t see many black officers. but at the same time, when i got hired, there were only 2 black applicants testing (out of about 100), and they both failed. there aren’t a lot of minorities in my area applying, even though they are encouraged, and even recruited.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I can see why a lot of cops get into fights cause when the have dealings with honest citizens they give them shit as if they are some kind of criminal.you guys have to look at that side of the picture to.cops dont know everything even though some think they do.

When I was a kid, our house was broken into. They stole everything, even the bed sheets. We assume they used them to carry out the smaller items like the toaster and my He-man action figures (I guess thieves have kids too). My dad called the police and it took 2 hours before someone showed up.

This was South East Houston…Southpark, quite different than River Oaks…the “bad” side of town. I just called it “home”. That was how things went, however. That song “911 is a joke” wasn’t written for no reason. There are many people in this country who have been treated poorly by the police. To ignore that is retarded. You gain respect by giving it. The truth is, many people have never gotten it, regardless of the few who claim they are one of the righteous police who do actually treat people fairly. The police have an image problem. I wonder how long before they realize that no one can change that but them?

Everything is always retarded to you. You just don’t get it. Before I worked in law enforcement I had more negative run ins and still to this day have more negative run ins with people in the medical field not knowing how to treat people as people or fucking up prescriptions and the likes. I will stand by this statement, you wouldn’t know what the fuck to do in one of my daily situations. I admit not going through medical school I would be the same in one of your situations. The difference, I unlike you never claimed I knew what i was doing in your field. You spout off about all these changes and the likes but know shit about law enforcement.

What do I need to know about law enforcement to enable me to see when a man is being beaten far beyond what is necessary to subdue him? Is there a class I need to take that will make me believe that this man deserved to be beaten? Perhaps when I was a kid, our house was just really really far from the police station and they had to walk. Perhaps I got pulled over several times in college while driving home on breaks from school simply because I “looked like” a guy who just committed a crime! By God, you’re right. I have been blind all along.[/quote]

i just watched that video again, and when he got handcuffed, they stop delivering strikes. that quick…

btw, i almost got shot by a black police officer when i was going home on leave when i was in the Army. i just learned not to mess with cops.

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
ron33 wrote:
You should know what your dealing with before you become a police officer,if you have any street expierience,think about it and if you dont think you can handle it ,dont do it for a living.Hell the one big guy in the video could have put the old guy in a Bear hug for a few seconds while his partner slapped the cuffs on.the situation would have been under control real fast .I had a nutty cop pull his gun out on me and my family when i was 6 on a sunday morning coming from the grocery,he had a rep of pushing people around,and nothing was done about it till he roughed up a politician in towns relative.

then they gave him a phsych. evaluation and said he shouldnt have been carrying a gun in the first place and thru him off the force.If he would have shot my dad and taken him away from me as a little boy .Guess what? when i grew up he would have been put down so no other little kids would suffer.

Ron,

well using a bear hug is a really bad idea, since then that officer is in the other officer’s way, and the suspect can still reach his weapons and he can’t prevent it. i do agree-if you’re afraid to “mix it up” you shouldn’t be a cop. but the key when fighting with people as a police officer, is to hit them as hard as possible, every time. it’s not a game…every time we show up there’s a gun involved. most of the time the bad guys do too, and they fight with us in order to access those weapons. that’s why police officers are so serious when it comes to fighting…

in reference to the cop pulling a gun on your family-that sucks. it’s good that he got fired, and is probably the reason why we (at least in Iowa) have to pass a battery of psysch evals before we can be certified officers…

[/quote]
Cyco, In the city where i grew up i think things might be changing some in regards to the new police recruits,In the past it has been the good ol boy network of friends relatives etc.They have had a lot of trouble with drunken cops giving people a hard time in bars etc. pulling their guns and then when other police come pulling their id cards and not being arrested,they have even had several incidences of the city police and county sheriffs fighting in bars and pulling their weapons ,off duty of course.They also had a lot of trouble between the city firemen and city cops trying to fool around with each others wives a having bar fights over it,Poor firemen no weapons.I think after this going on all these years they are finally cracking down on these types.It sounds like in your state they have better standards.I know over in Indiana the state police are very professional and highly regarded but in ohio they have had trouble thru the years.

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I know in my city the police dept. makes a big mistake with man power.I am no expert but the city has a lot of trouble because they put most of their white young cops in all black areas,This police force has most of their white cops come from a part of town that doesnt have any black people and they have a preconcieved notion before they have contact.I know because when i was young i attended mostly black school and later moved near this all white area and couldnt believe the things the white kids would say,I would tell them they didnt know what they were talking about and they would argue with me and i would ask if they had any black friends and none of them knew any black people.I think the police dept. should at least team up a white and black officer or mostly black officers that the public can identify and have some rapor with.But they send these cocky young guys and girls into an area and they think people are going to tolerate their smart ass attitude.They could probably solve a big problem if they would just do something that simple.

that’s an interesting point, man…i actually know a couple guys that work in Chicago, and a lot of the guys that grew up in the projects don’t want to work there. i’m not sure specific reason, though. that’s kinda why a lot of the white kids get sent in there…

on my department, none of the black officers are currently on the street-they’re all doing some other assignment. so as far as that’s concerned, the public doesn’t see many black officers. but at the same time, when i got hired, there were only 2 black applicants testing (out of about 100), and they both failed. there aren’t a lot of minorities in my area applying, even though they are encouraged, and even recruited.
[/quote]
My Son made his first trip to chicago last year and one thing he mentioned when he came home was how nice the policemen that he came in contact on the street were,he said if you were waiting to cross the street they would strike up a conversation,had much nicer attitude than the ones in our city that hes come in contact with.

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[quote]RHINO928 wrote:
When people visit here, I give them a few pieces of adivice. These are mostly specific to the French Quarter and downtown.

One, Never wander off with a stranger you meet in the French Quarter.

Two, walk away from all possible fights. If someone is starting shit, leave and go somewhere else.

Three, Don’t fuck with a New Orleans cop! You had better yes,sir and no,sir your way out, and do everything you can to avoid going to the Orleans Parish Jail.

On another note,

Have you heard or seen where some NOPD officers broke into a downtown dealership and stole approx 200 new Cadillacs?

Some of the first film footage showing officers driving the stolen cars was aired on local news last night. Unreal.
[/quote]

Correct me if i am wrong but the stealing was done by mostly black cops right? I bet that the white cops that did the beating have gotten tired of black attitude and decided that they could take no more. No is corrupt but the fact that it is mostly blacks that live there is the real problem. Crime wise,corruption wise,poverty wise and every other wise.
Brandon Green

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[quote]ron33 wrote:
cycobushmaster wrote:
ron33 wrote:
You should know what your dealing with before you become a police officer,if you have any street expierience,think about it and if you dont think you can handle it ,dont do it for a living.Hell the one big guy in the video could have put the old guy in a Bear hug for a few seconds while his partner slapped the cuffs on.the situation would have been under control real fast .I had a nutty cop pull his gun out on me and my family when i was 6 on a sunday morning coming from the grocery,he had a rep of pushing people around,and nothing was done about it till he roughed up a politician in towns relative.

then they gave him a phsych. evaluation and said he shouldnt have been carrying a gun in the first place and thru him off the force.If he would have shot my dad and taken him away from me as a little boy .Guess what? when i grew up he would have been put down so no other little kids would suffer.

Ron,

well using a bear hug is a really bad idea, since then that officer is in the other officer’s way, and the suspect can still reach his weapons and he can’t prevent it. i do agree-if you’re afraid to “mix it up” you shouldn’t be a cop. but the key when fighting with people as a police officer, is to hit them as hard as possible, every time. it’s not a game…every time we show up there’s a gun involved. most of the time the bad guys do too, and they fight with us in order to access those weapons. that’s why police officers are so serious when it comes to fighting…

in reference to the cop pulling a gun on your family-that sucks. it’s good that he got fired, and is probably the reason why we (at least in Iowa) have to pass a battery of psysch evals before we can be certified officers…

Cyco, In the city where i grew up i think things might be changing some in regards to the new police recruits,In the past it has been the good ol boy network of friends relatives etc.They have had a lot of trouble with drunken cops giving people a hard time in bars etc. pulling their guns and then when other police come pulling their id cards and not being arrested,they have even had several incidences of the city police and county sheriffs fighting in bars and pulling their weapons ,off duty of course.They also had a lot of trouble between the city firemen and city cops trying to fool around with each others wives a having bar fights over it,Poor firemen no weapons.I think after this going on all these years they are finally cracking down on these types.It sounds like in your state they have better standards.I know over in Indiana the state police are very professional and highly regarded but in ohio they have had trouble thru the years.
[/quote]

?!?

well, they need to gt rid of those guys…i’ve never “badged” anybody when i was off-duty. it just seems kinda wierd…like asking for a favor from somebody i don’t know.

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It’s too bad it seems too many simply look for this situation so they can go beat someone. Damn, I’m sure if I was being thrown around and I’d done nothing wrong I’d try to shield myself from damage as well.

Looks like that would turn out very bad for me…

I hope somebody gets it on tape!

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[quote]vroom wrote:
It may not be pretty but I have been involved in many arrests where the individual won’t give up there hands and due to such active resistance from them their arm is broken. I have had to repeatedly punch a pepper sprayed individual in the face until they relinquished their hands.

It’s too bad it seems too many simply look for this situation so they can go beat someone. Damn, I’m sure if I was being thrown around and I’d done nothing wrong I’d try to shield myself from damage as well.

Looks like that would turn out very bad for me…

I hope somebody gets it on tape![/quote]

Vroom,

none of the officers on this site are talking about “going and beating someone.” what they’re saying, in the performance of thier duties WHILE THEYWERE ARRESTING SOMEONE, the suspect continued resisited and they used force. different intent there, i guess…

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Well, yeah, that’s what I’m talking about, they think I did something or suddenly want to arrest me and do something physical instead of saying that I’m under arrest, do this, do that… once someone starts bashing the back of your head and your are outnumbered and so on, I’m not sure instincts won’t become involved.

Sort of like how it allegedly went down with the old man in New Orleans. Time will tell I guess.

I still hope someone tapes it… I’m well behaved, if shit goes down I’m suing big time!

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Well, yeah, that’s what I’m talking about, they think I did something or suddenly want to arrest me and do something physical instead of saying that I’m under arrest, do this, do that… once someone starts bashing the back of your head and your are outnumbered and so on, I’m not sure instincts won’t become involved.

Sort of like how it allegedly went down with the old man in New Orleans. Time will tell I guess.

I still hope someone tapes it… I’m well behaved, if shit goes down I’m suing big time![/quote]

Heres where the problem lies Vroom, alot people think like you. If shit goes wrong I’m suing, do you know how many people actually start trouble and resist arrest at the possibility of just starting a law suit. I have been criminally charged 3 times by repeat offenders. I am still required to defend myself out of my won pocket(albeit 100$ for the PBA legal protection plan) attend a probable cause hearing and possibly go in front of a grand jury. All because some habitual scum bag resisted arrest and thinks they were assaulted. Do you know what my recourse is after its all over, deal with it, its part of your job.

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Snipe,

I’m sure people take advantage of it, and I’m sure there are dangerous situations.

At the same time, I’m pretty damned sure there is a macho attitude and beat the shit out of the perp attitude in some police forces.

That’s the way it is. However, like I said, I’m well behaved, so odds are nothing will ever happen to me. At the same time, the cops aren’t allowed to go apeshit and strike people that don’t show them respect.

Some get off on the authority and respect and go overboard when they aren’t shown it.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Snipe,

I’m sure people take advantage of it, and I’m sure there are dangerous situations.

At the same time, I’m pretty damned sure there is a macho attitude and beat the shit out of the perp attitude in some police forces.

That’s the way it is. However, like I said, I’m well behaved, so odds are nothing will ever happen to me. At the same time, the cops aren’t allowed to go apeshit and strike people that don’t show them respect.

Some get off on the authority and respect and go overboard when they aren’t shown it.[/quote]

You are right Vroom, I got pulled over about 2 months ago by one of those authority hungry cops. I never disagreed with any of you who say they are out there. The only reason this guy let me go(I was leaving TGI FRIDAYS, I had about 3 drinks so I would have probably been near the legal limit) was because he recognized me from the prosecutors office. This guy was still a condascending cocksucker. For the record I have only made one DUI arrest in my life. I am no better than the average law abiding citizen.

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All of these personal “police” stories don’t really amount to much. The police aren’t supposed to be polite and nice like the kid that works at Mickey Dees. We deal with the worst of the worst and our lives are on the line every time we put on that uniform. Go work Inglewood PD for a few weeks and then talk about “brutality” and “poor old people.” When your life is on the line you don’t really give a shit about some meth junkies feelings. It’s pretty funny that T-Nation is so sympathetic to criminals. You can’t judge police officers by the perfect standard you think they “ought” to be. It’s illogical and unreasonable.

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The police are bound by laws too… that is what we are talking about. Sometimes they break them too – and it is dangerous thing when the authorities abuse their own citizens.

I understand that the police deal with the scum of the earth day in and day out, but there simply are no excuses, just as the perps have no excuses.

The fact is, we aren’t sympathetic for the criminals, especially when they are in fact the police.