Myth of Heterosexual AIDS

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
261

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
Seems like an Aids immunization is coming.

That might be bad news for some because Aids becomes more or less harmless like syphilis, where will the gay bashing draw its strength from then?

All politically correct crap and put downs aside…is everyone supposed to love homosexuals for spreading the HIV virus into the heterosexual population?

Take it out of a politically correct context and just say that group A because of their dangerous lifestyle is spreading a horrible disease to group B…how is that a good thing…and why shouldn’t we try to stop group A from endangering the rest of society? No I’m not suggesting anything outlandish…but how about NOT promoting homosexuality as does the media and those on the left?

You see, for me that is not that big an issue because no “hypnotic asshole” is tempting me.

So I guess I�??�??�?�´ll file gay sex under the same category as bungee jumping.

I actually agree with you to an extent. They do what they do and who cares? BUT…when the media glorifies this which can influence the young already vulnerable into the lifestyle and legitimize this behavior by trying to legalize gay marriage then it becomes something we should all care about.

The media glorifies bungee jumping.

Have you ever seen Jackass, the WWF or X-TREME!!! sport shows?

Male risk taking is everywhere and I dare say that most do it to get laid.

Gay dudes at least get their rocks off.

I understand the loose comparison but what does it all really mean? We are not talking about mere risk taking…we’re talking about changing a societal values…FOR THE WORSE.
[/quote]

Value judgment.

262

it’s incremental erosion. against what perversity do you draw the line? where and when do you draw the line? are we discriminating against those that like animals or little boys/girls? i don’t mean to be outrageous, but those practices are just as old as homosexuality. where and when did homosexuality become legitimate to the exlusion of other perversions? i think homosexual sex is repulsive to man and woman alike, except of course homosexuals. i’m pretty sure the analog holds true for bestiality and other perversions. again, i don’t care what you do behind closed doors but why are we giving it status and rights? why is that even a discussion?

263

[quote]forlife wrote:
Men have a higher sex drive than women, so it’s not surprising that gay men tend to be more promiscuous on average than heterosexual men. I’m not disagreeing with that.

My point is that gays can be equally responsible, committed, and healthy compared to heterosexuals. There is nothing endemic to the sexual orientation itself that requires people to live sexually irresponsible lives. Millions of gay men and lesbians are living proof of this fact.

So stop drawing incorrect generalizations by blaming the sexual orientation itself. There is nothing about being gay that is inherently harmful.[/quote]

I agree that they can be, but huge numbers of them aren’t. Like I said before, I never denied that there are gay people who live responsibly, and I’ll take your word that you do, but if you are denying the fact that it’s a very big part of the gay subculture, then you are walking around with your eyes closed, and there’s no point in even talking to you.

264

[quote]counterfeitsoda wrote:
I agree that they can be, but huge numbers of them aren’t. Like I said before, I never denied that there are gay people who live responsibly, and I’ll take your word that you do, but if you are denying the fact that it’s a very big part of the gay subculture, then you are walking around with your eyes closed, and there’s no point in even talking to you.[/quote]

I’ve repeatedly said that sexual irresponsibility IS a big problem among many gay men. I completely support educating and encouraging people to live sexually responsible lives.

But that is different from telling people “not to be gay”. I never chose to be gay, I can’t change who I find attractive, but I can choose to be responsible in my behavior.

265

[quote]forlife wrote:
I can’t change who I find attractive, but I can choose to be responsible in my behavior.[/quote]

I’m not convinced as there is research and documented case history to the contrary.

266

Pretty sure sexual orientation is all genetic, at least for predisposition. I do find homosexuality repulsive. Nevertheless, I’d only caution against bisexuals. They are in an even better position to spread disease. A matter of practicality, you see.

267

[quote]forlife wrote:
counterfeitsoda wrote:
I agree that they can be, but huge numbers of them aren’t. Like I said before, I never denied that there are gay people who live responsibly, and I’ll take your word that you do, but if you are denying the fact that it’s a very big part of the gay subculture, then you are walking around with your eyes closed, and there’s no point in even talking to you.

I’ve repeatedly said that sexual irresponsibility IS a big problem among many gay men. I completely support educating and encouraging people to live sexually responsible lives.

But that is different from telling people “not to be gay”. I never chose to be gay, I can’t change who I find attractive, but I can choose to be responsible in my behavior.[/quote]

How the hell do you educate someone to say “no”. The equation is T + T = disaster.

268

[quote]valiant knight wrote:
Pretty sure sexual orientation is all genetic, at least for predisposition. I do find homosexuality repulsive. Nevertheless, I’d only caution against bisexuals. They are in an even better position to spread disease. A matter of practicality, you see.[/quote]

I have never seen any conclusive data which demonstrates that homosexuality is genetic. Do you believe bisexuality to be genetic as well?

269

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
How the hell do you educate someone to say “no”. The equation is T + T = disaster.[/quote]

If that were the case, my relationship would be disastrous, as would the relationship of thousands of other committed, monogamous same sex couples. You’re overgeneralizing based on preexisting assumptions that don’t reflect reality. There is nothing inherently damaging with same sex relationships, despite your personal revulsion and disgust toward us.

270

[quote]forlife wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
How the hell do you educate someone to say “no”. The equation is T + T = disaster.

If that were the case, my relationship would be disastrous, as would the relationship of thousands of other committed, monogamous same sex couples.[/quote]

As I’ve posted many times in the past most homosexual couples do not look at being “monogamous” the same way that heterosexual couples do. I could repost the studies which were done, but in essence most “monogamous” homosexual couples still have sex outside of their primary relationship.

No, actually he has a reasonable handle on the topic. You are the one who has preexisting assumptions that are not based on reality and you do so because you want so badly for your opinion to be true.

That is also incorrect, as I’ve posted the gruesome statistics in the past. If one has to take a multitude of precautions (which homosexuals are NOT doing) prior to engaging then that should tell you something shouldn’t it?

271

Homosexuality will always be glorified by the pc media to no end. The truth about AIDS and the laundry list of diseases homosexuals spread will never be spoken of. According to the pc media, homosexuals can do no wrong.

A few years ago in some high schools in Philadelphia and Memphis, heterosexual girls were being sexually harassed by organized gangs of butch, masculine lesbian girls. This harassment was everything from sexual comments to groping to even rape. Bill O’reilly reported on it and parents and students (that have no reason to lie) confirmed what was happening. Homosexual groups jumped all over him for reporting the story.

Is it me or does it seem like rape is only wrong when its heterosexual rape? Because we all know if a group of boys or if the boys football or basketball team was raping girls right in the school, it would be national news for days and everyone and their momma would want to crucify those boys. Yet if butch lesbians are raping heterosexual girls, somehow thats ok? It seems like it would be worse!

They called the rape “turning a girl out” which meant making a straight girl into a lesbian by forcing her to perform sex acts. Now if a group of straight guys raped a lesbian girl at school to “turn her out” into a straight girl, the media would have a field day and the guys would probably be charged with a hate crime.

272

What I’ve seen in this thread are a lot of anecodotes and overgeneralizations, and a refusal to acknowledge the thousands of monogamous, responsible, tax paying same sex couples that don’t fit this mold.

If you want to criticize sexual irresponsibility, I’m right there with you. It is a problem in the straight and lesbian communities, and is even more of a problem in the gay male community. Hopefully people will learn to be more responsible. It’s clear that marriage doesn’t detract, and most likely contributes, to that end.

But stop blaming it on sexual orientation. It’s possible to be completely healthy and happy in a same sex relationship. I am, and so are many of my friends.

273

[quote]forlife wrote:
What I’ve seen in this thread are a lot of anecodotes and overgeneralizations, and a refusal to acknowledge the thousands of monagamous, responsible, tax paying same sex couples that don’t fit this mold.

If you want to criticize sexual irresponsibility, I’m right there with you. It is a problem in the straight and lesbian communities, and is even more of a problem in the gay male community. Hopefully people will learn to be more responsible. It’s clear that marriage doesn’t detract, and most likely contributes, to that end.

But stop blaming it on sexual orientation. It’s possible to be completely healthy and happy in a same sex relationship. I am, and so are many of my friends.[/quote]

What’s really ironic about this is PR Cali dude saying. “Iv’e got friends that have had unprotected sex with 100’s of women AND NOTHING HAPPENED” while simultaneously condemning the homosexual community for promiscuity. Surely promiscuity is a problem that affects members of all races and sexualities.

Homosexuals are not defined by there promiscuity, but simply by who they are attracted to. Also, promiscuity in any community can be improved regardless of sexual orientation and so instead of demonizing gays we should work with them to improve issues that set there community back. This would be clear to anyone that wishes to help problems within there country, but many here seem content to cling to their preconceived notions about individuals they have never met.

This is an issue of prejudice, nothing more or less. The same tactics that were being used in the civil rights movement to deny black’s their fundamental rights are being used on this forum. Man does not have the right to legislate sexuality or to discriminate against a community based on prejudice.

275

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

Homosexuals are not defined by there promiscuity, but simply by who they are attracted to.

When they spread disease to each other and into the heterosexual community at such a rapid rate they can be defined any way we’d like.

Also, promiscuity in any community can be improved regardless of sexual orientation and so instead of demonizing gays we should work with them to improve issues that set there community back. This would be clear to anyone that wishes to help problems within there country, but many here seem content to cling to their preconceived notions about individuals they have never met.

SanFrancisco doubled their AIDS education budget two years in a row and the rate of HIV continues to climb…it’s not about education kid…it’s about discipline…and homo’s apparently have none.

This is an issue of prejudice, nothing more or less. The same tactics that were being used in the civil rights movement to deny black’s their fundamental rights are being used on this forum. Man does not have the right to legislate sexuality or to discriminate against a community based on prejudice.

More liberal nonsense from a punk kid who is still spouting his latest professors politically correct crap…go away junior you’re a joke.

[/quote]

The more bigoted you become the clearer this issue becomes one of prejudice. You should really pay attention to your emotions more, because if you actually understood why you were “right” in any sort of meaningful way you wouldn’t be so angry. Think about it gramps.

I’ll deal with more of this tomorrow. For the record I’m fully aware that I’m not “a joke”, so save it and try being a little more dignified about this discussion or you may eventually find yourself screaming self assertions at a blank computer screen.

276

I wouldn’t take Mick too personally, Schlenkatank. He is a known troll, and is criticized even by the conservatives who typically oppose homosexuality in these threads.

As I said earlier, I don’t believe these discussions are likely to persuade anyone. I participate in them mostly because I refuse to allow outright lies and misinformation to stand without being challenged.

277

[quote]forlife wrote:
What I’ve seen in this thread are a lot of anecodotes and overgeneralizations, and a refusal to acknowledge the thousands of monogamous, responsible, tax paying same sex couples that don’t fit this mold.

If you want to criticize sexual irresponsibility, I’m right there with you. It is a problem in the straight and lesbian communities, and is even more of a problem in the gay male community. Hopefully people will learn to be more responsible. It’s clear that marriage doesn’t detract, and most likely contributes, to that end.

But stop blaming it on sexual orientation. It’s possible to be completely healthy and happy in a same sex relationship. I am, and so are many of my friends.[/quote]

Dude, you’re in denial. You call an accurate view “over-generalization” when it is YOU that is guilty of such. What you continue to describe is the MINORITY of your orientation. The MAJORITY does not behave in the manner you claim. Take your nonsense to a gay BB site please - go there and discuss your concerns with like minded individuals where you guys can sit around the camp fire, roast a weiner or two :wink: and tell each other fairy tales :wink:

278

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
forlife wrote:
What I’ve seen in this thread are a lot of anecodotes and overgeneralizations, and a refusal to acknowledge the thousands of monagamous, responsible, tax paying same sex couples that don’t fit this mold.

If you want to criticize sexual irresponsibility, I’m right there with you. It is a problem in the straight and lesbian communities, and is even more of a problem in the gay male community. Hopefully people will learn to be more responsible. It’s clear that marriage doesn’t detract, and most likely contributes, to that end.

But stop blaming it on sexual orientation. It’s possible to be completely healthy and happy in a same sex relationship. I am, and so are many of my friends.

What’s really ironic about this is PR Cali dude saying. “Iv’e got friends that have had unprotected sex with 100’s of women AND NOTHING HAPPENED” while simultaneously condemning the homosexual community for promiscuity. Surely promiscuity is a problem that affects members of all races and sexualities.

Homosexuals are not defined by there promiscuity, but simply by who they are attracted to. Also, promiscuity in any community can be improved regardless of sexual orientation and so instead of demonizing gays we should work with them to improve issues that set there community back. This would be clear to anyone that wishes to help problems within there country, but many here seem content to cling to their preconceived notions about individuals they have never met.

This is an issue of prejudice, nothing more or less. The same tactics that were being used in the civil rights movement to deny black’s their fundamental rights are being used on this forum. Man does not have the right to legislate sexuality or to discriminate against a community based on prejudice.

[/quote]

It’s not prejudice - it’s a simple matter of biological behavior. Men have behaved in this manner for eons and will continue to do so. If you believe you can “educate” a man not to behave as a man behaves, why then are you not in favor of “educating” the gayness out of a homosexual? I mean, don’t you reside in the “they can’t help it” camp? And by the way, judging by your avatar, you are either gay yourself or, you are 15. If you are in fact gay, and I believe that you are, at least announce your affiliation. If you’re 15, you should STFU with your touchy feely save the world liberalism that they are teaching you in school these days.

279

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

Homosexuals are not defined by there promiscuity, but simply by who they are attracted to.

When they spread disease to each other and into the heterosexual community at such a rapid rate they can be defined any way we’d like.

Also, promiscuity in any community can be improved regardless of sexual orientation and so instead of demonizing gays we should work with them to improve issues that set there community back. This would be clear to anyone that wishes to help problems within there country, but many here seem content to cling to their preconceived notions about individuals they have never met.

SanFrancisco doubled their AIDS education budget two years in a row and the rate of HIV continues to climb…it’s not about education kid…it’s about discipline…and homo’s apparently have none.

This is an issue of prejudice, nothing more or less. The same tactics that were being used in the civil rights movement to deny black’s their fundamental rights are being used on this forum. Man does not have the right to legislate sexuality or to discriminate against a community based on prejudice.

More liberal nonsense from a punk kid who is still spouting his latest professors politically correct crap…go away junior you’re a joke.

The more bigoted you become the clearer this issue becomes one of prejudice. You should really pay attention to your emotions more, because if you actually understood why you were “right” in any sort of meaningful way you wouldn’t be so angry. Think about it gramps.

I’ll deal with more of this tomorrow. For the record I’m fully aware that I’m not “a joke”, so save it and try being a little more dignified about this discussion or you may eventually find yourself screaming self assertions at a blank computer screen.[/quote]

No one here is angry at gays. We’re angry at stupid, educationally/media indoctrinated blind liberal-speak. It is your position that we rebuke, not homosexuals. We know they exist and there is nothing that will change that. But having to suffer your liberal positions is unbearable.

280

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Dude, you’re in denial. You call an accurate view “over-generalization” when it is YOU that is guilty of such. What you continue to describe is the MINORITY of your orientation. The MAJORITY does not behave in the manner you claim. Take your nonsense to a gay BB site please - go there and discuss your concerns with like minded individuals where you guys can sit around the camp fire, roast a weiner or two :wink: and tell each other fairy tales :wink:
[/quote]

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I’ve consistently agreed that there IS a problem with sexual irresponsibility in the male gay community. I’m not overgeneralizing anything. I’m asking people to acknowledge that the MINORITY of gay men in long term monogamous relationships exists, and that it IS POSSIBLE to be completely healthy and happy in a same sex relationship.

The existence of the minority PROVES that sexual orientation isn’t the culprit. It’s about being sexually responsible, and you can absolutely choose to do this in a same sex relationship. I and thousands of other gay couples are doing exactly that.

Stop demonizing gay relationships, and focus on the REAL PROBLEM, which is sexual irresponsibility.

Your repeated jabs at gays and your homophobic comments make it clear that you’re not interested in a sincere discussion. You find gays disgusting, and logic isn’t going to make any difference to someone like you.