[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
Ehh I don’t agree. I’ve seen the argument many times that total calories is all that matters, but I think that’s false. Our bodies are just too complex for it to be only a matter of total amount of energy without consideration to source and timing.
[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
[quote]iceman187 wrote:
I wonder if this has to do with what kind of energy system that you mostly use. Aerobic uses fat while anaerobic is carb based.[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing JB. You weren’t exactly using the diet alone to transform your physique. IIRC you were doing lots of complexes and elevated your heart rate to well over 170 BPM.
What this all boils down to is some people prefer the P+F method and keep carbs low, while others prefer the P+C method and keep fat low…at the end of the day the calories are the deciding factor. Personal preference prevails[/quote]
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x2. I agree overall calories are vastly important, I don’t care what your ratios are you’re not going to lose weight if you’re 500 calories over maintenance but at the same time it’s definitely not just about overall calories.
[quote]iceman187 wrote:
I wonder if this has to do with what kind of energy system that you mostly use. Aerobic uses fat while anaerobic is carb based.[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing JB. You weren’t exactly using the diet alone to transform your physique. IIRC you were doing lots of complexes and elevated your heart rate to well over 170 BPM.
What this all boils down to is some people prefer the P+F method and keep carbs low, while others prefer the P+C method and keep fat low…at the end of the day the calories are the deciding factor. Personal preference prevails[/quote]
Well remembered mate, I did indeed enjoy best progress when doing HIIT and other energy systems work.
However, I should point out that I made pretty damn good progress prior to that, following a CKD programme, when training 2-3 times a week and while being a bit of a desk jockey the rest of the time. For those reasons, I am confident the low carb approach is best for me.
I can also speak from experience and say it was far easier for me to ingest 1800 kcals a day on a CKD than it was on high carb/low fat. The latter was absolute torture!
Well remembered mate, I did indeed enjoy best progress when doing HIIT and other energy systems work.
However, I should point out that I made pretty damn good progress prior to that, following a CKD programme, when training 2-3 times a week and while being a bit of a desk jockey the rest of the time. For those reasons, I am confident the low carb approach is best for me.
I can also speak from experience and say it was far easier for me to ingest 1800 kcals a day on a CKD than it was on high carb/low fat. The latter was absolute torture! [/quote]
I’m guessing by easier you mean more tolerable (as in not saying 1800 calories is hard to get down)?
What is your calorie and macro breakdown when gaining?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
JB007, do you follow a CKD for gaining as well or just when trying to get leaner?[/quote]
Sorry to ask, but what is CKD? I am not familiar with it.[/quote]
Cyclical Ketogenic Diet. Generally it’s 5-6 days of low carbs (below 30g or so) and 1-2 days of carbing up (many different methods here).
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
JB007, do you follow a CKD for gaining as well or just when trying to get leaner?[/quote]
I follow a targeted carb approach as outlined by CT (basically carbs pre-workout only {around 100g} with the rest of the time being P+F). I have found it is possible to lose fat and gain some strength following this approach.
However, I still use strict keto when on short fat loss bursts lasting 2-4 weeks; with a small carb-up/cheat once every 7 days.[/quote]
What is your fat generally at when gaining at cutting? I think I’m remembering you not really eating that much food in general (below 3000 Calories)[/quote]
When on a targeted carb approach (during lean gain phases) fat intake is low, e.g. 70-90g. When more strict keto (during more strict fat loss phases) I would aim for around 2500 total calories with approx. 50% energy coming from PRO and 50% coming from fat. I have learned to keep around 20g CHO in the pre-workout shake during strict keto. This, among other things, appears to largely prevents incidents of cramp, which I have suffered during keto in the past.
[quote]Dahollow wrote:
I believe that the current low/none carb with high fat HYPE is just another HYPE. In a few years they’ll write articles about “new and better” ways to eat.
It’s very simple, keep your calories a little lower (about 500) than your intake. That’s what works for me. And i’ve been working out for 10 years now.
My experience on low carb is that you lose a lot of water and muscle. And you look fucking flat. Sorry but I prefer more volume in my muscles. That volume comes from the water held by the glycogen.
And you read shit about saturated fats being “healthy”. Well, I rather believe what a heart surgeon (who actually studied for about 12 years) said about saturated fats (they kill) than some internet guru.
Call me old fashioned, but I care to much about my health to believe internet hypes.
No offence. [/quote]
Rent the Documentary called “FATBOY” and I think your whole perception about saturated fats will change immediately. You have been mislead like 99% of the public.