My Road to Fat Loss Progress

Day 4
Pre-Breakfast 8:49a.m.
energy bar 280 calories 5gfat 38gcarbs 20gprotein

Breakfast 10:34a.m.
4eggs 280calories 18gfat 4g carbs 24g protein
tbsp oil 120calories 14gfat

Pre-Lunch 11:46a.m.
protein shake 100calories 0gfat 0gcarbs 23g protein

Lunch1:00p.m.
chicken 350calories 0gfat 0gcarbs 81g protein

post-lunch 3:00p.m.
energy bar 280calories 5gfat 38g carbs 20g protein

dinner9:00p.m. screwed everything up
protein shake 220 calories 5g fat 6g carbs 40g protein

totals for day 4
calories 1630 47g fat 86g carbs 208g protein

i bet if i ate a solid dinner today would have been the ideal diet i should be following.

measurements taken on 5/30/06
stomach largest part 49inches

bicep right- 17 1/8inches left 17 7/16

quad largest part right-33 1/2in. left was 32 1/2in.

chest 47 1/2in.

waist 46 1/2in.

weight as of 6/2/06 was 269.8 lbs. ahh hell 270.

Alwyn Cosgrove has made fun of the “I’m gonna lose muscle!” paranoia. If I remember correctly, he says that given adequate protein take he’s never seen the terrible muscle loss that everyone here seems to think is lurking around the corner on a low calorie diet.

i wonder if its an excuse built up so people can eat more.

[quote]trojanman wrote:
i wonder if its an excuse built up so people can eat more.[/quote]

I really think there’s something to this idea. I am overweight and “blessed” with an extremely, extremely slow metabolism. It’s nice that I save so much money on food and can “bulk” on 3000 calories per day, but I know from experience that the ONLY way I can drop fat is eating around 1800 calories per day or less, in addition to training 4x a week and doing maybe 3x uphill walking as well. This in addition to the NEPA I’m getting from living in Europe (on the 4th floor with no elevator), where I walk everywhere I go.

According to the responders in this thread, I’d be starving myself and must be losing horrible amounts of muscle. But my muscle mass and strength continue to go up in small but steady amounts while I’m on this low calorie diet dropping between 1-2 lbs per week. If the original poster is anything like me, maybe this is just what he needs to lose weight. I think 1400 cals is too low for me, but hell, how do I know how his body responds?

if i still train like an animal why would i lose muscle. are my muscles going to say “this guy is putting to much strain on us. i dont think we should grow. lets get smaller.” if i bust my ass off wont my body recognize that it needs to keep the muscle that size?

Christian Tibideau has an article where he went frmo 240lbs to 189-200lbs on a low calorie diet. He drank alot of protein shakes and did something simliar to what you’re doing. I forget the title, but look it up.

Also, I’m fat and I’ve been cutting weight since may. I was 275lbs and currently, I’m 232 lbs. I’m on a very low calorie diet like you. I drink alot of protein shakes, keep carbs and fat low to none, and still lift heavy and hard. And I do cardio, mainly sprints, burpees, and jogs. Doing all this, I’ve cut weight and maintained all my lifts. I’m still as strong as I was in March.

You can do the low calorie diet if your fat like me, (5’10, 275lbs at March). But if your not that overweight, it might be different for you.

ya man. i think im like you. i havent lost any strength my squat is still at 525lbs. my bench has been losing a little from 365lbs. to 335. my deadlifts always been weak. i have shitty grip its at 405lbs.

Day 5

pre-breakfast 8:49a.m.
energy bar 280 calories 5gfat 38gcarbs 20gprotein

snack
pancackes 160calories 2g fat 33g carbs 3g protein

breakfast 10:00a.m.
4eggs 280calories 18gfat 4g carbs 24g protein
2.5 slices of ham 17.5 calories .75g fat .5g carbs 2.25g protein
tbsp oil 120calories 14gfat

post-breakfast 1:00p.m.
energy bar 280 calories 5gfat 38gcarbs 20gprotein

lunch 4:00p.m.
hamburger 305calories 13g fat 33g carbs 14g protein

post-lunch 5:00p.m.
seeds 160calories 12g fat 4g carbs 7g protein

dinner 8:00p.m.
green burrito 197 calories 6.8g fat 25g carbs 10g protein

post-dinner
seeds 160calories 12g fat 4g carbs 7g protein

totals for day 5
calories 1840 75g fat 180g carbs 108g protein

2.0gallons of water. today i was outside for about 6hours.

Damn, we may similar but you’re alot stronger than me. My lifts are in the mid 300lbs and my dead is 425lbs.

Just keep training hard, do your cardio, and be strict with your diet. And figure out what your lean body mass is. Like mine is probably 180lbs and I’m 233lbs right now.

Day 6

Pre-Breakfast 8:49a.m.
energybar 280 calories 5g fat 38g carbs 20g protein

Breakfast 10:00a.m.
4 eggs 280 calories 18g fat 4g carbs 24g protein
2.5 slices of ham 17.5 calories .75g fat .5g carbs 2.25g protein
tbsp oil 120calories 14gfat

lunch 1:00p.m.
chicken salad 300calories 3g fat 4g carbs 30g protein

post-lunch 3:00p.m.
energy bar 280 calories 5g fat 38g carbs 20g protein

dinner 5:45p.m.
chicken 220 calories 2.5g fat 0g carbs 47g protein

totals for day 6
calories 1498 48.5g fat 84.5g carbs 144g protein

i drank 1.7 gallons of water today. cardio felt great today.

To address the “muscle loss” issue, as I basically brought it up first…

Some people can probably handle a low calorie diet and not lose much muscle. But they will still lose some, and they may not even know it. Sure their bench press hasn’t changed, but that is not a good accurate judgement on how much muscle you have. It’s not the specifc muscle loss that bothers me, it’s the net effect of that loss that does.

I’m going to get real obvious now, so if you think you know more than me now would be the time to stop reading.

Let’s examine why muscle is good to have. First- you look better. Obvious enough. Second- muscle is more metabolically active tissue than fat. It burns calories by just existing. Fat does not. Third- that’s why we’re all here.

If you go on a low calorie diet and lose muscle, your metabolism will drop. You weigh less, so you need less, but even more you have lost some metabolically active tissue and now have a much lower BMR.

How about an example? Bill (ficticious name) has a BMR or 2800 and weighs 225lbs. He goes on a low calorie (~1500/day) diet for a couple months and manages to lose 20lbs. Good for Bill. Now he most likely lost that weight 50/50, meaning 10lbs fat and 10lbs muscle. Maybe not that drastic, but close enough. He decides to go off his diet. He recalculates his BMR at 2500 cals, but doesn’t take into account he lost any muscle. So his actual BMR may be down around 2200. After a few weeks of eating 2500 cals/day he starts to gain weight. He’s eating less than before his diet, but gaining weight. After only a month or so he’s put the 20lbs back on, but this time all fat. He weighs the same 225 as before but now his BMR is only 2400. This is the classic definition of yo-yo dieting and has happened to every weight watcher’s client they’ve ever had.

Bottomline- no matter how hard you bust your ass in the gym, no matter how much protein you take in, if you cut your calories too low you will lose muscle and you will damage your metabolism. Simple as that.

There are some exceptions- if you are 100lbs overweight and have a BF% of 40- you probably can’t cut your calories low enough to worry. But if you are only 20-30lbs overweight with a BF% under 20, there is some real concern. The key is determining how low is too low for you and not going below that. That’s why it it so important to measure your BF using skinfold testing, or some other accurate enough way, and keep track of it. If you are Bill and you weigh 225, lose 20lbs and your BF% only drops 4 percentage points- you lost too much muscle.

[quote]Diablo9845 wrote:
What about the velocity diet? As a FFB, it is recommended that one gets “shredded” before attempting a bulking diet, and calculated correctly, my daily calories should be around 1400.

Isn’t that the principle of the VD? Is this going to be the “one” cutting diet that messes up my metabolism for good? (Like losing 40 lbs by not eating… ie: the wrong way; like every other FFB hasnt screwed me up already).[/quote]

I don’t think you could mess it up for good. The V-diet may be too drastic for most people. It’s also short term, which s why you don’t lose much in the way of muscle.

Day 7

pre-breakfast 6:30 a.m.
energy bar 280 calories 5g fat 38g carbs 20g protein

breakfast 12:00p.m.
energy bar 280 calories 5g fat 38g carbs 20g protein
2 toasts 120 calories 1g fat 26g carbs 4g protein
5 slices ham 36 calories 2g fat 2g carbs 5g protein
cheese 70 calories 6g fat 0g carbs 5g protein

lunch 2:45p.m.
chicken 200calories 4g fat 0g carbs 40g protein

pre-workout or post-lunch 6:30p.m.
hamburger meat 208 calories 14g fat 0g carbs 20g protein

dinner 10:30p.m.
chicken 300calories 6g fat 0g carbs 60g protein
bbq suace 2 tbsp 50 calories 0g fat 13g carbs 0g protein

totals for day 7
1544 calories 43g fat 117g carbs protein 174g protein
drank 1.1 gallons of water. felt good. lost track of time ate breakfast late.

measurements taken 6/6/06

stomach biggest part 47 1/2
biceps right 16 3/4 left 17 1/16
quad right 33 1/2 left 32
chest 47
waist 45 3/4

ill see my weight in 3 days.

Day 8

pre-breakfast 9:00a.m.
energy bar 280 calories 5g fat 38g carbs 20g protein

breakfast 10:30a.m.
4eggs 280 calories 18g fat 4g carbs 24g protein

post-breakfast 12:30p.m.
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lunch 1:30p.m.
chicken 200 calories 4g fat 0g carbs 40g protein

post-lunch 3:00p.m.
energy bar 280 calories 5g fat 38g carbs 20g protein

dinner 6:00p.m.
chicken 200 calories 4g fat 0g carbs 40g protein

post-dinner 9:40p.m.
1oz. beef jerky 80 calories 0.5g fat 3g carbs 15g protein

totals for day 8
calories 1458 fat 56.5g carbs 84g protein 161g
had 1.4 gallons of water. didnt feel too hungry today.

Day 9

Breakfast 7:30a.m.
4 eggs 280 calories 18g fat 4g carbs 24g protein
2.5 slices of ham 17.5 calories .75g fat .5g carbs 2.25g protein
tbsp oil 120calories 14gfat

pre-lunch 12:15a.m.
energybar 280 calories 5g fat 38g carbs 20g protein

lunch 3:00p.m.
chicken 200calories 4g fat 0g carbs 40g protein

post-lunch 4:00p.m.
seeds 220 calories 17g fat 6g carbs 10g protein

pre-dinner 6:30p.m.
energybar 280 calories 5g fat 38g carbs 20g protein

dinner 9:30p.m.
chicken 200calories 0g fat 0g carbs 40g protein

totals for day 9

calories 1598 fat 64g carbs 91 protein 136
drank 1.7 gallons of water.

[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
To address the “muscle loss” issue, as I basically brought it up first…

Some people can probably handle a low calorie diet and not lose much muscle. But they will still lose some, and they may not even know it. Sure their bench press hasn’t changed, but that is not a good accurate judgement on how much muscle you have. It’s not the specifc muscle loss that bothers me, it’s the net effect of that loss that does.

I’m going to get real obvious now, so if you think you know more than me now would be the time to stop reading.

Let’s examine why muscle is good to have. First- you look better. Obvious enough. Second- muscle is more metabolically active tissue than fat. It burns calories by just existing. Fat does not. Third- that’s why we’re all here.

If you go on a low calorie diet and lose muscle, your metabolism will drop. You weigh less, so you need less, but even more you have lost some metabolically active tissue and now have a much lower BMR.

How about an example? Bill (ficticious name) has a BMR or 2800 and weighs 225lbs. He goes on a low calorie (~1500/day) diet for a couple months and manages to lose 20lbs. Good for Bill. Now he most likely lost that weight 50/50, meaning 10lbs fat and 10lbs muscle. Maybe not that drastic, but close enough. He decides to go off his diet. He recalculates his BMR at 2500 cals, but doesn’t take into account he lost any muscle. So his actual BMR may be down around 2200.

After a few weeks of eating 2500 cals/day he starts to gain weight. He’s eating less than before his diet, but gaining weight. After only a month or so he’s put the 20lbs back on, but this time all fat. He weighs the same 225 as before but now his BMR is only 2400. This is the classic definition of yo-yo dieting and has happened to every weight watcher’s client they’ve ever had.

Bottomline- no matter how hard you bust your ass in the gym, no matter how much protein you take in, if you cut your calories too low you will lose muscle and you will damage your metabolism. Simple as that.

There are some exceptions- if you are 100lbs overweight and have a BF% of 40- you probably can’t cut your calories low enough to worry. But if you are only 20-30lbs overweight with a BF% under 20, there is some real concern. The key is determining how low is too low for you and not going below that. That’s why it it so important to measure your BF using skinfold testing, or some other accurate enough way, and keep track of it. If you are Bill and you weigh 225, lose 20lbs and your BF% only drops 4 percentage points- you lost too much muscle.[/quote]

In general I agree with you, but I believe this guy said he is running test.

If that is the case, muscle loss will be extremely minimal, if any.

It’s true! I am and it will!

[quote]trojanman wrote:
It’s true! I am and it will![/quote]

In that case, if you need to lose 40-50lbs why the hell are you taking test?

Do you even hit muscle when administering?