[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Not to hijack, but WHERE THE HELL IS NEPHORM? I havent seen him in a long ass time.[/quote]
Apparently he must be summoned.
Nephorm…
Nephorm…
Neph–
Shit, I’m too scared. You do it.
[quote]not so much. I have a difficult time with math at or above 11th grade algebra. I also have hit a point in my econ studies where I’m having a hard time grasping the concept of nominal vs. real value (I maybe just haven’t found a good enough explanation. Or this is me rationlizing my idiocy).
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Math is hard. You have to just beat your head against it until you get it. Some will get it faster than you. It’s like lifting. I just tried to forget about all the people smarter than me and kept at the material until I got it.
It helps if you can find a book that breaks things down simply. Stewart’s “Calculus” made things a lot more clear for me than other books I read, for example. The right book can make a world of difference.
An IQ should be an estimation of intelligence, but sadly enough, most of the IQ-tests are a poor reflection of what “intelligence” actually is. If you ask many experts within the field about what intelligence actually means, then you will see that, allthough their answers will have some points in common, their answers are still pretty vague.
Basically, your IQ-score is based on the comparison between your scores on the different subtasks of the IQ-test and the average of those scores of people within your age-range.
One of the most extensive and most used IQ-tests is the WAIS-III. This test measures 4 clusters: Verbal Comprehension, Perceptual Orginization, Processing Speed and Working Memory. Allthough it’s a well researched test, and the only one we use in clinical settings over here, it still doesn’t take into account things like creative thinking, motoric skills, etc… Things that also could be a measure of intelligence. Problem is that these things are more difficult to give an objective score to.
My point is, don’t let yourself influence by an IQ-score. There are still some large shortcomings in IQ-tests. Rather than seeing it as a measure of intelligence (which is still a preety vague concept) it is an estimation of your COGNITIVE potential. But it doesn’t measure work-ethics, hardiness, willpower,…
A while ago there was this thread about how to reach expertise in a certain domain. Allthough intelligence can make it easier to reach a certain level of expertise, the consensus in research is that intelligence’s role is negligable compared to the amount of time practicing and studying.
Hey, I’m just wondering what is considered complex math in this discussion? Just to give me a frame point…
[quote]Carnage wrote:
An IQ should be an estimation of intelligence, but sadly enough, most of the IQ-tests are a poor reflection of what “intelligence” actually is. If you ask many experts within the field about what intelligence actually means, then you will see that, allthough their answers will have some points in common, their answers are still pretty vague.
Basically, your IQ-score is based on the comparison between your scores on the different subtasks of the IQ-test and the average of those scores of people within your age-range.
One of the most extensive and most used IQ-tests is the WAIS-III. This test measures 4 clusters: Verbal Comprehension, Perceptual Orginization, Processing Speed and Working Memory. Allthough it’s a well researched test, and the only one we use in clinical settings over here, it still doesn’t take into account things like creative thinking, motoric skills, etc… Things that also could be a measure of intelligence. Problem is that these things are more difficult to give an objective score to.
My point is, don’t let yourself influence by an IQ-score. There are still some large shortcomings in IQ-tests. Rather than seeing it as a measure of intelligence (which is still a preety vague concept) it is an estimation of your COGNITIVE potential. But it doesn’t measure work-ethics, hardiness, willpower,…
A while ago there was this thread about how to reach expertise in a certain domain. Allthough intelligence can make it easier to reach a certain level of expertise, the consensus in research is that intelligence’s role is negligable compared to the amount of time practicing and studying.
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Great post. I don’t want to repeat all of what you said, but I’ll rattle off a few things from my head…
If there’s anything I’ve learned in my three whole years out of high school (sarcasm,) it’s that having social skills trumps just about all else. I’m not talking about the ability to go and get unrecognizably shit-faced with people on the weekends, I mean the ability to connect with people on a personal level and really delve into what they’re trying to say.
I’ve learned that shutting up and listening is much more important than trying to go commando through everything - and that knowledge really IS power.
Give me someone who has an abnormally high or even upper-echeleon IQ, and I’ll show you someone who probably is bumbling and awkward when it’s time to talk to people. Connecting with people and leaving an impression on them is (IMO) much more important than trying to prove to some piece of paper that you’re smart.
In other words, don’t beat yourself up over the results. If you have some sort of qualifications, degrees, certifications, and aren’t a complete toolbag, you’ll find a career or job for you yet. You don’t need small dashes of ink to tell you how smart you are.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Carnage wrote:
My point is, don’t let yourself influence by an IQ-score. There are still some large shortcomings in IQ-tests. Rather than seeing it as a measure of intelligence (which is still a preety vague concept) it is an estimation of your COGNITIVE potential. But it doesn’t measure work-ethics, hardiness, willpower,…
If there’s anything I’ve learned in my three whole years out of high school (sarcasm,) it’s that having social skills trumps just about all else. I’m not talking about the ability to go and get unrecognizably shit-faced with people on the weekends, I mean the ability to connect with people on a personal level and really delve into what they’re trying to say.
I’ve learned that shutting up and listening is much more important than trying to go commando through everything - and that knowledge really IS power.
Give me someone who has an abnormally high or even upper-echeleon IQ, and I’ll show you someone who probably is bumbling and awkward when it’s time to talk to people. Connecting with people and leaving an impression on them is (IMO) much more important than trying to prove to some piece of paper that you’re smart.
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These two paragraphs sum it up for me.
I was one of those smart kids. However, grasping concepts easily when I was young, resulted in a piss poor work ethic. Being intelligent will only take you so far. When you reach the point when comprehension becomes more difficult (and it will) you will lack the basic skills to work hard to learn them. That, at any rate, was my experience. I prefer that my kids learn to work hard for what they want as opposed to being bright.
The other point, the other poster mentioned is social skills. I had always been socially awkward. I would trade a high IQ in a second to have a high EQ. The ability to work with other people, in my opinion is a much greater asset than quick conceptual comprehension.
Couple both of those with age related eroding intellect and I’d rather be well liked than smart. I don’t know about anyone else in their middle age but the older I get, the slower I am to understand. I’m shortly boarding the short bus.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Not to hijack, but WHERE THE HELL IS NEPHORM? I havent seen him in a long ass time.
Apparently he must be summoned.
Nephorm…
Nephorm…
Neph–
Shit, I’m too scared. You do it.[/quote]
I love how you call someone else a moron and then miss that the biggest post in this thread is from Neph.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
IQ means nothing. Give me five minutes of conversation with anyone and I’ll tell you how smart they are.
lol. what are you going to ask them? “what is your highest level of education, what do you do in your spare time, how many hours of studying do you do each week, what is your GPA?”
Nothing of the sort. I might not ask them anything at all. We could be talking about training or Froot Loops. The subject is immaterial.
For instance, I could tell you that you’re a moron. I don’t even need five minutes for that. Intelligence has a way of presenting itself. It’s not diction, or education or anything as prosaic as that. Like most indefinable qualities, you know it when you see it.[/quote]
im a moron but you post on a BBing website and weigh 150 pounds. =P
Intelligence is all relative and doesn’t really make sense out of context anyways. The human mind is too complex, there isn’t just a number where you can definitively say “i’m smarter than that guy” - his mind may be much more suited to different tasks than your own. You can maybe say “I’m better at math than that guy” though, which puts it in context.
I’m also in the boat of people who were smart when they were young and never had to try in school. I don’t feel like i have a poor work ethic, although I don’t have the drive or ambition others do. I try to maintain myself as “above average” in most areas of my life, but i’ll never be a millionare, high roller, or someone who’s out to change the world in a major way. Maybe the “smarter” people tend to realize that you don’t need any of those to be happy, and in fact they might cause you to be unhappy.
I would also rather have a high EQ than IQ, like the previous poster. People are what really matter in life anyways. Some of the most popular and cool people i’ve met were not the brightest kids in the world.
[quote]conorh wrote:
elano wrote:
Standardized tests mainly just tell you how good your test taking skills are.
Not to offend, but most people I hear making that argument are studious dullards.
Conversely, people like me who say that grades don’t measure how smart you really are, are usually smart but profoundly lazy.
-Conor[/quote]
first, theres actually a lot of people who believe that the reason people have been scoring higher and higher on IQ tests is because people are getting better and better at figuring out the test therefore while you can get an idea of how smart or not osmeone is, basically if you get a 60 on an IQ test versus a 130, but its not the end all be all of intelligence gauging.
as to your second point, your grades reflect your effort. i dont think theres any subject you can place into that you cant bust your ass studying and still get an F. you can argue that a wise person wouldnt take the F in the first place. it isnt an adequate measure of inteligence but at the same time it can measure how you dumb you are.
the whole idea is that if someone wants to say “oh hey, im really smart” they can have a degree which does so. theres still people with degrees who arent smart and theres still people without them who are smart but for the most part its an accurate way of knowing because theres certain requirements for a degree. thing is, if you have the intelligence to get a degree youve always had that capacity, even before you got it, your intelligence is what allowed you to do the nesecary coursework. hope you understand that last part.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Not to hijack, but WHERE THE HELL IS NEPHORM? I havent seen him in a long ass time.[/quote]
Last I spoke with him was about 2.5 weeks ago when he told me he had finished a flight suit he had developed that would allow him to fly like a goose. He was going to test it out near Flushing Meadow. I haven’t heard from him since.
DB
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
IQ means nothing. Give me five minutes of conversation with anyone and I’ll tell you how smart they are.
lol. what are you going to ask them? “what is your highest level of education, what do you do in your spare time, how many hours of studying do you do each week, what is your GPA?”
Nothing of the sort. I might not ask them anything at all. We could be talking about training or Froot Loops. The subject is immaterial.
For instance, I could tell you that you’re a moron. I don’t even need five minutes for that. Intelligence has a way of presenting itself. It’s not diction, or education or anything as prosaic as that. Like most indefinable qualities, you know it when you see it.
but you post on a BBing website and weigh 150 pounds. =P
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He has that way of presenting himself…
I didn’t really read through the entire thing.
But addressing original post, I haven’t noticed that I can learn or understand things any better now than I did when I was younger. Obviously I can understand more advanced concepts, but that has to do more with increased knowledge than any change in my actual ability to learn.
Everything has always come easy to me with the exception of literature type stuff. I can understand the themes once they are discussed in class, but I never have and I don’t think ever will be able to solidly identify them just reading something on my own - unless there are obvious parallels to another story/poem I’ve gone through in a class situation.
I also skimmed ouroboro’s post at the top of this page and would definitely agree that all being smart has taught me is that I shouldn’t have to work hard to get what I want.
Yo, Zep.
Knowing what you’re good at is only half of being smart. The other half is knowing what you’re dumb at.
Looks like you got 100% covered, kid.
Smartass punk!
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Not to hijack, but WHERE THE HELL IS NEPHORM? I havent seen him in a long ass time.
Apparently he must be summoned.
Nephorm…
Nephorm…
Neph–
Shit, I’m too scared. You do it.
I love how you call someone else a moron and then miss that the biggest post in this thread is from Neph.[/quote]
I didn’t miss it. Hence why I said he must be summoned. It was a joke. And I doubt anyone is going to argue for Live’s intelligence.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
IQ means nothing. Give me five minutes of conversation with anyone and I’ll tell you how smart they are.
lol. what are you going to ask them? “what is your highest level of education, what do you do in your spare time, how many hours of studying do you do each week, what is your GPA?”
Nothing of the sort. I might not ask them anything at all. We could be talking about training or Froot Loops. The subject is immaterial.
For instance, I could tell you that you’re a moron. I don’t even need five minutes for that. Intelligence has a way of presenting itself. It’s not diction, or education or anything as prosaic as that. Like most indefinable qualities, you know it when you see it.
im a moron but you post on a BBing website and weigh 150 pounds. =P
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Hey, man, I’m smart, I just, like, don’t apply myself, man…like…
Honestly, I don’t weigh 150 any more. I leave it up there because it gives something for people to call me out on when I say something they don’t like, usually not involved with training.
But I’m just busting your balls, brother. Even though you are a dumbass.
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I was one of those smart kids. However, grasping concepts easily when I was young, resulted in a piss poor work ethic. Being intelligent will only take you so far.
When you reach the point when comprehension becomes more difficult (and it will) you will lack the basic skills to work hard to learn them. That, at any rate, was my experience. I prefer that my kids learn to work hard for what they want as opposed to being bright.
The other point, the other poster mentioned is social skills. I had always been socially awkward. I would trade a high IQ in a second to have a high EQ. The ability to work with other people, in my opinion is a much greater asset than quick conceptual comprehension.
Couple both of those with age related eroding intellect and I’d rather be well liked than smart. I don’t know about anyone else in their middle age but the older I get, the slower I am to understand. I’m shortly boarding the short bus.[/quote]
Totally on the mark there. Once I got to college all I could think was, “holy shit, no one’s forcing me to go to class anymore.” I’m figuring out the work ethic thing now, but I still need a damn good reason to be doing what I’m doing.
Social skills are easier to pick up outside of an academic environment. I started working the front desk at a gym and all of a sudden my IQ wasn’t good for much. So I adapted.
I have a high IQ (well above average) but im also dyslexic. I can understand concepts well for example but suck at explaining alot of things and im not great at following written directions sometimes, for example I answer questions wrong on tests and quizzes but when I look back I know the answer which is extremely frustrating.
I also had a lot of trouble in classes like algebra and geometry but atm I have an 85 average in Alg 2.
[quote]Petermus wrote:
I have a high IQ (well above average) but im also dyslexic. I can understand concepts well for example but suck at explaining alot of things and im not great at following written directions sometimes, for example I answer questions wrong on tests and quizzes but when I look back I know the answer which is extremely frustrating.
I also had a lot of trouble in classes like algebra and geometry but atm I have an 85 average in Alg 2.[/quote]
You’re right, you do suck at explaining things, Penis.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Petermus wrote:
I have a high IQ (well above average) but im also dyslexic. I can understand concepts well for example but suck at explaining alot of things and im not great at following written directions sometimes, for example I answer questions wrong on tests and quizzes but when I look back I know the answer which is extremely frustrating.I also had a lot of trouble in classes like algebra and geometry but atm I have an 85 average in Alg 2.
You’re right, you do suck at explaining things, Penis.[/quote]
AHAHAHAHAHA Jackass.