Some people seem to not want to believe it, by exposing it then perhaps something will be done about it. Everyone is already giving Iran shit.
Only since we foolishly followed the US into Afghanistan. But don’t think that because I live in Canada I support everything the government does.
You think it’s more likely people believe/know Iran does shady shit than America? The country you proclaimed to be the world police constantly openly committing atrocities?
Wot?
Was just busting your chops. Canada’s one of my favorite countries. I’d happily live there if it wasn’t so fuckin cold all the time
I mean it’s cold in Ohio, but it’s Cold in Canada
That plus the amount of snow we get is the worst part about Canada by far. I can get over most of the other stuff pretty easily, but the winter is miserable. We had freezing rain just last week, and the Saturday before that it snowed, winter is just barely finished now and it’s only a few months before it starts again.
With all the accusations of nuclear programs and plotting to “wipe Israel off the map”, don’t you think that if Iran was committing war crimes the US, Israel, and western media would be all over it? There just isn’t much to talk about, and none of it is recent.
US morality:
By this standard, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban deserve a pardon and amnesty for 9/11. To paraphrase the Oklahoma AG, “some of their actions leading up to the attack were reprehensible, but that does not mean that they deserve the label “terrorist group” …”
America has no moral authority. The people running the country are at least as evil as any of their enemies.
Right, because it’s always public knowledge of what’s happening to report on.
Why did assange need leaked docs again?
Well duh. That’s why they supplement with better guns
USSR and China. That’s north of 100 million dead man, of their own people.
Both of those nations still straight up kill and “disappear” journalists.
China is purging Christians and Muslims right the fuck now. Today. They are raising mosques to the ground and putting people in re-education camps.
Yellow and pasty white lives matter.
Because that’s dangerous. They have crazy people who will travel the world to blow themselves up to kill you at the order of their superiors. The Russians will poison you with polonium or you’ll find a way to have an accidental collision with a 4th floor window… The US will just put you in jail.
If anything, it seems like America and Israel are falsely accusing people they don’t like. Remember Saddam Hussein and the non-existent chemical weapons? Now look how many people died as a result (including American soldiers) and look at the chaos going on in Iraq. ISIS would have never become what it was without the actions of the US.
The USSR no longer exists. Russia is not as friendly as some people would like to believe, but I don’t see any basis to accuse them of anything on the same level as the US in the current era.
As for the misguided right wingers who think that Russia is some sort of “bastion of Christianity”, have a look at this - Maduro and Chavez said the same thing about their policies being based on the teachings of Jesus.
While nobody like Wikileaks has come out with classified information on China, the stuff you are talking about has been front page news in recent times. There is this group called Falun Gong that used to regularly stage protest in Ottawa, often in front of the Chinese embassy, they are a seemingly benign group that is banned in China for no reason other than the fact that they are not a state-sanctioned organization. There is no freedom of assembly in China and dissidents are imprisoned, often tortured and executed and there are allegations of organ harvesting as well. So if someone like Wikileaks were to release info on China then I would support that, but it looks like the info is already there to be seen.
China is a dangerous country, that can’t be denied, and the oppression over there makes Saudi Arabia look nice. But at least they aren’t involved in military operations all over the planet. What they do to their own citizens is one thing and I’m not trying to defend that, but they have more positive relations with the rest of the world than the US. Since Trump was elected, the US has only pissed more people off than before. The only country Trump is actually doing anything positive for is Israel.
They’re supporting Assad, Edrogan and Maduro. Just stop right there. Higher body counts than anything the US is currently up to. It’s okay to be critical of the US. Just seems like defending Russia in the meantime is a bit wrongheaded.
“The Jooooos!” You crack me up man.
Also whether Trump can take credit for it or not the US has the lowest unemployment since the 50’s and the lowest minority unemployment ever. Kind of hard to argue he isn’t helping the USA a little. Even by accident.
Which body count? Syria is a totally different situation because you have foreign fighters involved in a so-called civil war. Most of the allegations against Assad (like use of chemical weapons) look like bullshit propaganda and as for him violently suppressing protest, look at what happened to the “Occupy Wall Street” thing. Do you think the US government would tolerate something like the Arab Spring of their own territory? Assad is no angel, but he’s not worse than the US or ISIS.
Erdogan? He doesn’t seem like a great guy, but I’m not aware of what you are referring to.
As for Maduro, I have actually been to Venezuela 11 years ago. It was a nice place, I didn’t know much about communism or socialism at the time but the government was doing a lot of things to help the poor people (80-90% of the population) like providing medical care and fixing houses. There was nothing like the food shortages and crime you hear about now, people were fat and friendly. One thing that people told me, which I figured was more propaganda than anything but now looks to be true, is that the US was trying to destabilize the country and planned to invade it. In fact, there was a US-backed coup attempt against Chavez a few years before I was there.
So some people want to blame all of Venezuela’s problems on socialism, corruption, and mismanagement, but when you consider the fact that they have the world’s largest oil reserves and there was no sort of embargo on them until recently, there is no way the country should have ended up the way it is now. Look at Cuba, they have been under an embargo for decades and barely even produce anything but things aren’t half as bad there as in Venezuela. I have no doubt that the current situation is due to US interference. Look at Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and those other rich Arab countries, the citizens there don’t even have to work because the government gives them thousands of dollars a month just for living. You think that Venezuela’s social programs are enough to bankrupt the country?
It’s not all about Jews, from the looks of things there are a lot of American Jews who don’t like Trump. It’s all about Israel.
I should have phrased my previous comment differently, I mean that he hasn’t done anything positive for any country outside the US other than Israel. His domestic policies seem to make sense in general, although there are some questionable aspects. I doubt the US economy would be better under Hillary.
How so? Are you aware that Maduro is a dumb bus driver who claimed to have had regular conversations with the ghost of Hugo Chavez?
Yes, and Chavez was burning money when oil was at an all time high. That’s why the country imploded once oil prices dipped and all engineers were fired from the Venezuela’s state owned oil company.
Tourism is keeping Cuba afloat.
There are only 300k Qataris, the vast majority of the others are de facto indentured servants or worse:
Yes it exists, it’s called the Russian Federation now and it’s borders are somewhat reduced. As far as crimes go, 20k dead in Ukraine and 120k dead in two Chechen wars is not enough?
Saudi Arabia.
You should really read about who Edrogan is and what he stands for (and what his goals are). He basically wants to make Turkey a powerful and pure ethno state and bring back the glory of the Ottomans.
That is straight speculation based on your disdain for the US and affinity for autocracies.
You know what the Arab oil-rich countries don’t do? They don’t seize the assets of the Exxons/Chevrons/Royal Dutch Shells of the world to buy votes. What company is going to invest billions in a country when there’s no guarantee the corrupt state won’t just seize their investments?
Would you invest into a retirement fund somewhere there’s a good chance it could be seized from you with no recompense.
So the state run oil company had no industry experts to draw from and their oil production has tanked. Other countries want oil. China and Russia would buy every drop they can pump. But the quality of the oil is down also and people on the market want discounts on Venezuelan oil.
The US didn’t make Venezuela incompetent. More reserves than anywhere on earth, see their production below.
Even the Chicoms don’t seize stuff anymore. They let foreign industry in and just steal their tech lol.
Maduro might not be a genius, but I don’t think he is an idiot either. He can’t be dumber than Justin Trudeau, and Canada hasn’t collapsed yet. As for conversations with Chavez’s ghost, yeah that sounds weird but it looks like a lot of these politicians are into some occult stuff so who knows, maybe it’s true. To me it looks like Maduro is mostly just a puppet, he isn’t the one making all the decisions. Cuba is at least partly in control.
As for why I believe that US interference led to the current situation, that’s exactly what people in Venezuela were telling me was going to happen back when things were good over there. Even in recent news reports, Maduro was blaming the US and American politicians responded by blaming socialism and mismanagement. Maybe I can’t convince you, but to me it certainly looks like the US played a major role in the demise of Venezuela. Certainly there were some mistakes made, if Chavez and Maduro had done things differently then the outcome would have been better but I don’t believe that they alone are to blame.
Cuba actually gains less from tourism than you would think, most (if not all) resorts are foreign-owned and even employ foreigners who get paid a lot more than the Cubans. For sure it is a major part of their economy, but not on the same level as the world’s largest oil reserves.
It appears to me that Russian actions in Ukraine are not unjustified. If anything, the problem there started with the Soros-funded and US-backed revolution. It’s all politics and bullshit, but did Russia actually commit any war crimes over there?
As for Chechnya, I don’t know the whole story so I can’t really comment. But again, were actual war crimes committed on a large scale or was it just a war?
I honestly don’t care for Russia, I don’t see Putin as a good guy either. Maybe I’m missing something, but it doesn’t appear that in recent times they are on the same level of malevolence as the US.
I will look into that. Aside from the fact that I live in Canada, I’m also a Polish citizen. We already beat them in one war, we don’t need another one.
I have no affinity for autocracies. I’m just calling it as I see it. It’s speculation and propaganda on both sides until Wikileaks releases documents on what really happened.
True, but Venezuela was selling oil to the US right up until a few weeks ago. I’m sure some mistakes were made with their nationalization of foreign businesses (which I’m not supporting either) but in theory it could have worked out. At the very least the country shouldn’t have collapsed as it did.
I will continue this discussion later.
No, he’s an idiot.
Maduro claims that Hugo Chavez appear to him as a very small bird and said, via whistles, that “Today the battle starts. Go to the victory. You have our blessings.” Yes, the new leader of Venezuela says that the dead former president appeared to him as a very small bird, communicated to him via whistles, and assured him that the Maduro campaign had the full blessing of Hugo Chavez’s ghost-bird.
Aren’t these two statements mutually exclusive?
Less than actual government figures that are mentioned in the Wikipedia article? I’ve been to Cuba and the regime would have collapsed by now were it not for the life support of Yanqui dollars.
Of course not. Putin just happened to kill a journalist reporting on these war crimes for kicks.
Soros-funded? Ah, the Joooos - “Zionists” for the leftists, “Soros” for the alt-right. It never struck you that people were pissed that their Russian puppet president did an U-turn and broke all negotiations with the EU after being dressed down by Putin?
Here’s another reason to lose your shit - thanks to Soros/Jooos, Ukraine is now the only country in the world besides Israel that has a Jewish president-elect (Zelensky) and a Jewish Prime Minister (Groysman). The Russians are having a meltdown and one of Putin’s advisors penned a frenzied op-ed in a Russian newspaper warning about the dastardly plan of the US to settle the Joooos in Ukraine.
Those were civilian fatalities I’ve listed.
This is fitting as the U.S. conducts more war or is involved with war than anyone else.
Maybe these were “mistakes” or they were committed by “rogue individuals”?
As of November 2018, at least 244,000 civilians in these three countries have died violent deaths as a result of the wars. Civilian deaths have also resulted from the US military operations in Yemen, Syria, Somalia and other countries in the U.S. war on terrorism.
You can either learn about propaganda or be it’s victim. As far as I can tell, you’ve decided to join most people and chosen to be a victim.
So here’s the question - what really happened after that “Chavez expropriation” point? When I went there it was 2008, which looks to be before things went totally downhill. I find it hard to believe that nothing but sheer stupidity was the cause of their demise.
Well, if that’s true then either he is delusional or has some very bizarre ideas of how to motivate people. This begs the question, why would Chavez and the Castros (who don’t appear to be stupid at all, just evil) support him as president?
Not really, the US was letting the economy slowly collapse before pulling the plug by cutting off oil revenue. Even with the Cuban embargo, Cuba imports stuff from the US. Otherwise they wold have to pay more for stuff like rice and cornmeal.
You were there when? I was there about 10 years ago and at that time the US dollar was worth more than the Canadian dollar but Cuba had some sort of special tax to exchange US dollars so you would actually get less for them. I’m not sure what is happening now, but there are next to no Americans going there and they spent years trying to get US dollars out of their economy. Apparently Venezuela did something similar and now people don’t want US dollars, or so I have heard. When I was there the black market rate was about 2-4x the official rate for US dollars.
So how come nobody talks about Russian war crimes? This seems odd. I don’t care for Russia, I just don’t hear any valid criticisms of their actions in recent times until now.
Based on what do you deny his involvement? He is an evil puppet master, he even destabilizes things in Israel.
This is what I’m talking about. The other countries we are discussing are not blameless and most governments are up to something bad, but the US takes the cake.
Maybe because Wikileaks decided to ignore them…
Or because Russian whistleblowers and journalists regularly
Lol you don’t actually believe that’s what he was saying right? US investors are perfectly capable of converting their currency before investing
Dude, that article is too fucking dumb to be used in a discussion with people who wear their big boy pants.
As @loppar pointed out…Wikileaks is part of the Russian Intelligence apparatus.
