[quote]vroom wrote:
I love watching Steveo make shit up. He’s pulls more crap out of his hat than a magician.
Steveo, every time you open your mouth it is clear you have no ability to process logic in any meaningful way.
Maybe I will go to hell, for finding amusement at your disabilities.[/quote]
What, specifically, did I make up?
There you go, doog’s
Neal put it the way I was trying to.
Sometimes bad communication skills are mistaken for bad logic.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
doogie wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
I am not saying that all or even most of the framers were true, born-again Chrisitans. Some were – but most were what I would call “God fearers.” They respected the Bible, Christianity, and most of all they had a strong sense of Divine Providence as the hand that guided the success in the revolution and in the establishment of our form of government.
Just look at the founding documents. Read that we are “endowed by our Creator with these inalienable rights…” The recognition that the One True God has given us the rights that we are asserting, in other words.
We were founded upon Christian principles – irrespective of the fact that the founders may not all have been Christians.
What people wish to do now is to REWRITE HISTORY – cut our Christian heritage out – so as to try to diminish Christianity and thereby diminish God.
Good try – it will never work, because God is in control and His purposes will prevail.
BTW – Irish – until you prove, by your posts, that your IQ is above an 80, I really wouldn’t try to comment on other people’s intelligence. It just makes you look more ridiculous then usual.[/quote]
I’m far smarter than you. And that’s what’s important you Jesus Freak you.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
We were, in fact, founded upon Christianity – because those who fled England (Puritans) wished to practice their [Christian] religion in freedom. These are FACTS – the founding documents prove the point and that is that.
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This kind of goes against your great speech about how if it was not for the US, the British would be speaking German, (ref: WW2).
Sounds like if it wasn’t for the English, you’d not be who you are today.
Trolling twat.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
BTW – Irish – until you prove, by your posts, that your IQ is above an 80, I really wouldn’t try to comment on other people’s intelligence. It just makes you look more ridiculous then usual.[/quote]
BTW – Steveo – as someone with reasonable intelligence (that’ll be me) I can make the neutral kind of observation that the stuff Irish writes on this forum is of far more value and intellect than any of the stuff you have ever presented. I’d be so bold that if we took a little poll, the results would kind of reflect my ideas.
If you are in the position to make comments (although incorrect) on the intellect of others, perhaps you would be so kind as to head to the Supplements and Nutrition or Building a Better body sections to share your vast intellect.
It’s pretty lonely other there without your shining wit and ability to start a mass debate in other forums.
[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
We were, in fact, founded upon Christianity – because those who fled England (Puritans) wished to practice their [Christian] religion in freedom. These are FACTS – the founding documents prove the point and that is that.
We actually broke away from England and THEN became the superpower that you are not!
Back at ya, mate!
This kind of goes against your great speech about how if it was not for the US, the British would be speaking German, (ref: WW2).
Sounds like if it wasn’t for the English, you’d not be who you are today.
Trolling twat.
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You are pathetic!
[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
BTW – Irish – until you prove, by your posts, that your IQ is above an 80, I really wouldn’t try to comment on other people’s intelligence. It just makes you look more ridiculous then usual.
BTW – Steveo – as someone with reasonable intelligence (that’ll be me) I can make the neutral kind of observation that the stuff Irish writes on this forum is of far more value and intellect than any of the stuff you have ever presented. I’d be so bold that if we took a little poll, the results would kind of reflect my ideas.
If you are in the position to make comments (although incorrect) on the intellect of others, perhaps you would be so kind as to head to the Supplements and Nutrition or Building a Better body sections to share your vast intellect.
It’s pretty lonely other there without your shining wit and ability to start a mass debate in other forums.
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Huh?
I hate to break it to ya matey, but there is more to intellect then knowledge about how to get big muscles. I have found this and other websites very informative, and while I might not be an expert on nutrition, supplements, and bodybuilding, I have enough knowledge to fill about 10 hours per week (minimum) in the gym and obtain reasonable results for a person my age.
However, I think that ones intellect should go somewhat beyond ones muscles.
Your insults and attempts to be witty and derisive really makes me laugh. It is really pathetic!
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
doogie wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
I am not saying that all or even most of the framers were true, born-again Chrisitans. Some were – but most were what I would call “God fearers.” They respected the Bible, Christianity, and most of all they had a strong sense of Divine Providence as the hand that guided the success in the revolution and in the establishment of our form of government.
Just look at the founding documents. Read that we are “endowed by our Creator with these inalienable rights…” The recognition that the One True God has given us the rights that we are asserting, in other words.
We were founded upon Christian principles – irrespective of the fact that the founders may not all have been Christians.
What people wish to do now is to REWRITE HISTORY – cut our Christian heritage out – so as to try to diminish Christianity and thereby diminish God.
Good try – it will never work, because God is in control and His purposes will prevail.
BTW – Irish – until you prove, by your posts, that your IQ is above an 80, I really wouldn’t try to comment on other people’s intelligence. It just makes you look more ridiculous then usual.
I’m far smarter than you. And that’s what’s important you Jesus Freak you. [/quote]
Yes, Irish, your vast intelligence just seeps off the page with every post and especially the four letter words and their companions that you frequently use.
Yes, your intelligence is intimidating and I guess I have met my intellectual superior…
…Oh, by the way, I am laughing my head off right now as I write this only a bit less than I laughed when I read your very intelligent retort to my reasonable comments.
I would remind you that my comments about your intelligence was in REPLY to your personal attacks – which has been frequently posted on these threads. I guess I had to stick it back to you a bit. Sorry if you didn’t see the sarcasm in it…
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
doogie wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
I am not saying that all or even most of the framers were true, born-again Chrisitans. Some were – but most were what I would call “God fearers.” They respected the Bible, Christianity, and most of all they had a strong sense of Divine Providence as the hand that guided the success in the revolution and in the establishment of our form of government.
Just look at the founding documents. Read that we are “endowed by our Creator with these inalienable rights…” The recognition that the One True God has given us the rights that we are asserting, in other words.
We were founded upon Christian principles – irrespective of the fact that the founders may not all have been Christians.
What people wish to do now is to REWRITE HISTORY – cut our Christian heritage out – so as to try to diminish Christianity and thereby diminish God.
Good try – it will never work, because God is in control and His purposes will prevail.
BTW – Irish – until you prove, by your posts, that your IQ is above an 80, I really wouldn’t try to comment on other people’s intelligence. It just makes you look more ridiculous then usual.
I’m far smarter than you. And that’s what’s important you Jesus Freak you.
Yes, Irish, your vast intelligence just seeps off the page with every post and especially the four letter words and their companions that you frequently use.
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I talk how I talk, and I write how I write. If you don’t like it, fuck off.
Or will I burn in hell for that too?
I concur.
Ignorance is bliss my man. Keep laughing.
Stick it back? Haha.
I don’t care about your personal attacks, as far as I’m concerned you’re nothing more than letters on a computer screen.
The reason I go after people like you is because you contribute nothing. I don’t do this shit with Zeb, because as much as I disagree with him on some things, he doesn’t follow the neocon line word for word, and he talks about weightlifting quite a bit; I’ve learned things from him.
It’s about something called “respect”, which for you, I have none.
So cry me a river Nancy, cause I don’t care.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Dr. Stig wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
BTW – Irish – until you prove, by your posts, that your IQ is above an 80, I really wouldn’t try to comment on other people’s intelligence. It just makes you look more ridiculous then usual.
BTW – Steveo – as someone with reasonable intelligence (that’ll be me) I can make the neutral kind of observation that the stuff Irish writes on this forum is of far more value and intellect than any of the stuff you have ever presented. I’d be so bold that if we took a little poll, the results would kind of reflect my ideas.
If you are in the position to make comments (although incorrect) on the intellect of others, perhaps you would be so kind as to head to the Supplements and Nutrition or Building a Better body sections to share your vast intellect.
It’s pretty lonely other there without your shining wit and ability to start a mass debate in other forums.
Huh?
I hate to break it to ya matey, but there is more to intellect then knowledge about how to get big muscles. I have found this and other websites very informative, and while I might not be an expert on nutrition, supplements, and bodybuilding, I have enough knowledge to fill about 10 hours per week (minimum) in the gym and obtain reasonable results for a person my age.
However, I think that ones intellect should go somewhat beyond ones muscles.
Your insults and attempts to be witty and derisive really makes me laugh. It is really pathetic!
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You sadly missed the point again sunshine. I didn’t say that intellect was measured by knowledge of bodybuilding and nutrition, I’m asking you why you are using this forum for Evangelical pursuits and not contributing to the rest of the forum.
Discuss.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Dr. Stig wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
We were, in fact, founded upon Christianity – because those who fled England (Puritans) wished to practice their [Christian] religion in freedom. These are FACTS – the founding documents prove the point and that is that.
We actually broke away from England and THEN became the superpower that you are not!
Back at ya, mate!
This kind of goes against your great speech about how if it was not for the US, the British would be speaking German, (ref: WW2).
Sounds like if it wasn’t for the English, you’d not be who you are today.
Trolling twat.
You are pathetic!
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What you mean is, when someone pulls up your idealology and show’s you for what you really are, it pisses you off ? Ok ?
I’m off to Church now geezer, you behave yourself.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
deanec wrote:
TQB wrote:
deanec wrote:
TQB wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I think you are being a tad myopic. This country was founded on christian principles. Ever read the Constitution? How about the Declaration of Independence? Maybe George Washinton’s inaugural address?
Jefferson, main author of the Declaration of independence was a Deist.
As for the Constitution, Madison wrote (Federalist paper 10): “We well know, that neither moral nor religious motives can be relied on as an adequate control. They are not found to be such on the injustice and violence of individuals and lose their efficiency in proportion to the number combined together.” This is an emphatic rejection of state-building on a religious basis.
Granted, Washington was a conventional Episcopalian.
TQB
And yet:
John Jay, Federalist No. 2:
Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people?a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established their general liberty and independence.
President John Adams, October 11, 1798:
?[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.?
President John Adams, October 11, 1798:
?[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.President John Adams, October 11, 1798:
We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
And yet, President Adams was a Unitarian who would reject the divinity of Christ and who incidentally three months before the quote signed the Sedition Act into law.
Under the Sedition Act, anyone “opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States” could be imprisoned for up to two years. It was also illegal to “write, print, utter, or publish” anything critical of the president or Congress.
As far as the principles of the Constitution goes, this is probably the worst example of abuse in the history of the US. Still, I have to confess, I like Adams;-)
I am not sure what the Sedition Act, the stupidity of which we are in agreement, has to do with the topic.
Good attempt to dodge though 
Excellent post! You are going to get ripped for it, but you are correct and the quotes you provide are the proof.
We were, in fact, founded upon Christianity – because those who fled England (Puritans) wished to practice their [Christian] religion in freedom. These are FACTS – the founding documents prove the point and that is that.
LOL.
You’ve proved that you know about as much about politics and history as George W. does about running a baseball team.
Smart folks are talking, run along now.
You have no problem with Christianity – your problem is with God.
I have news for you though. God has a problem with you, and if you don’t settle the matter, you will find it quite hot some day.
“run along…” – make me.
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Yes, but I hear it’s a dry heat!