The one on the right seems to be at risk of being blown away by some wind.
[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
i see all these sorts of things around my gym, and even some that have not yet been listed…
hell, i am confident everyone has or will at one point.
complaining about it however in a “oh those silly uneducated bitches” fashion is more than slightly petty.[/quote]
but it’s oh so fun…especially when you can play doctor and diagnose the symptoms…even think of methods or medications to prescribe and fix it.
lol
DG
[quote]Wayland wrote:
im not sure what disease these guys have but i dont want it[/quote]
Tapeworms.
When people bench press, but only go down to within 4-6" of their chest, then tell every one that the weight used is what they “bench”. I’m not sure what this disease is called, but it has something to do with lack of depth perception and lack of feeling in the pectoral area.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
i see all these sorts of things around my gym, and even some that have not yet been listed…
hell, i am confident everyone has or will at one point.
complaining about it however in a “oh those silly uneducated bitches” fashion is more than slightly petty.
but it’s oh so fun…especially when you can play doctor and diagnose the symptoms…even think of methods or medications to prescribe and fix it.
lol
DG[/quote]
I can see that, however, in my experience, ive never actually seen any learned person try to guide these lost souls through their illnesses.
I of course will be the first to admit that i was afflicted with a number of these diseases myself when i initially took up weight lifting. I can only imagine how much better off i would have been if someone who knew what they were doing chose to show me the ropes instead of gossiping about me on an internet forum or scoffing at my “inept-ness” with their buddies.
a great number of these people are not the douche-bags we portray them to be, they just don’t know any better.
Could call this merecat syndrome. Someone sees something not normal to a commercial gym and turns thier head to look. Soon, most of the gym is doing the same.
For example:
We have a fella comes in now and then can snatch a 100lb dumbell for rep’s, but he mostly works with about 50 or 60 pounds for up to 20 reps, then he does some 300 to 400lb deadlifts for up to 20 rep’s and leaves.
Damn impressive physique too. I don’t know what else he does, or what he’s training for. I only ever see him doing those two movements.
By the end of his set most of the gym has stopped, staring with a “WTF are you doing?” look on thier faces, like a pack of merecats. Often you hear the phrase “What muscle does that work?”.
Hmmm, is this an accurate dynamic in how men think? I’ve never heard it expressed before. That is, a woman herself would command more respect because her husband is “large and strong.” I thought it would be just in the interest of self preservation.
A couple of weeks ago a guy was making fun of me and his friend told him to shut up because my husband is “brawny and unshaven.” It was hilarious.
Threads like this make me almost wish I trained at the gym now and then so I could witness all the hilarity. People are so funny and weird… me too I’m sure. 
[quote]matsm21 wrote:
When people bench press, but only go down to within 4-6" of their chest, then tell every one that the weight used is what they “bench”. I’m not sure what this disease is called, but it has something to do with lack of depth perception and lack of feeling in the pectoral area.[/quote]
Imaginary Chest Syndrome?
[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
i see all these sorts of things around my gym, and even some that have not yet been listed…
hell, i am confident everyone has or will at one point.
complaining about it however in a “oh those silly uneducated bitches” fashion is more than slightly petty.
but it’s oh so fun…especially when you can play doctor and diagnose the symptoms…even think of methods or medications to prescribe and fix it.
lol
DG
I can see that, however, in my experience, ive never actually seen any learned person try to guide these lost souls through their illnesses.
I of course will be the first to admit that i was afflicted with a number of these diseases myself when i initially took up weight lifting. I can only imagine how much better off i would have been if someone who knew what they were doing chose to show me the ropes instead of gossiping about me on an internet forum or scoffing at my “inept-ness” with their buddies.
a great number of these people are not the douche-bags we portray them to be, they just don’t know any better.[/quote]
I don’t mean to poke fun at people new to lifting. Its the people who don’t want to listen and think they know everything I have the problems with.
ILS walking with your chest puffed up and holding your arms to your sides is an ego thing and not a noob thing.
Pretending to be a fighter is just looking for social acceptance somewhere even if you have to ‘act’ to be accepted.
Idk there are somethings people do that are just stupid…experience has nothing to do with them. I like to make fun of them. lol
I’m bored at work man, come on I need something to do besides actually…WORK 
LOL JK
I see your points man and I agree with them…there was actually a point when I was some skinny kid curling in a squat rack. This big hairy dood with chalk on his back got pissed so I never did it again. That was like 5 years ago. lol
DG
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
i see all these sorts of things around my gym, and even some that have not yet been listed…
hell, i am confident everyone has or will at one point.
complaining about it however in a “oh those silly uneducated bitches” fashion is more than slightly petty.
but it’s oh so fun…especially when you can play doctor and diagnose the symptoms…even think of methods or medications to prescribe and fix it.
lol
DG
I can see that, however, in my experience, ive never actually seen any learned person try to guide these lost souls through their illnesses.
I of course will be the first to admit that i was afflicted with a number of these diseases myself when i initially took up weight lifting. I can only imagine how much better off i would have been if someone who knew what they were doing chose to show me the ropes instead of gossiping about me on an internet forum or scoffing at my “inept-ness” with their buddies.
a great number of these people are not the douche-bags we portray them to be, they just don’t know any better.
I don’t mean to poke fun at people new to lifting. Its the people who don’t want to listen and think they know everything I have the problems with.
ILS walking with your chest puffed up and holding your arms to your sides is an ego thing and not a noob thing.
Pretending to be a fighter is just looking for social acceptance somewhere even if you have to ‘act’ to be accepted.
Idk there are somethings people do that are just stupid…experience has nothing to do with them. I like to make fun of them. lol
I’m bored at work man, come on I need something to do besides actually…WORK LOL JK
I see your points man and I agree with them…there was actually a point when I was some skinny kid curling in a squat rack. This big hairy dood with chalk on his back got pissed so I never did it again. That was like 5 years ago. lol
DG[/quote]
I’m not sure that this kind of behaviour always comes down to inexperience or even stupidity or ego, come to that.
It does sometimes, but there are plenty of people that are new to lifting, who think that this sort of behaviour is necessary in order to present themselves as ‘serious’ lifters.
They just don’t realize that all they are doing is enforcing a stereotype and making themselves look ridiculous in the process.
[quote]matsm21 wrote:
When people bench press, but only go down to within 4-6" of their chest, then tell every one that the weight used is what they “bench”. I’m not sure what this disease is called, but it has something to do with lack of depth perception and lack of feeling in the pectoral area.[/quote]
Seeing this in my college gym amazes me. I actually think the shitty ROM crowd is in the majority. Anybody going bar to chest STANDS OUT.
[quote]Tumbles wrote:
matsm21 wrote:
When people bench press, but only go down to within 4-6" of their chest, then tell every one that the weight used is what they “bench”. I’m not sure what this disease is called, but it has something to do with lack of depth perception and lack of feeling in the pectoral area.
Seeing this in my college gym amazes me. I actually think the shitty ROM crowd is in the majority. Anybody going bar to chest STANDS OUT.[/quote]
That’s because the ones doing full ROM are going to get joint problems in later life.
The same law apparently applies to full squats.
[quote]Tumbles wrote:
matsm21 wrote:
When people bench press, but only go down to within 4-6" of their chest, then tell every one that the weight used is what they “bench”. I’m not sure what this disease is called, but it has something to do with lack of depth perception and lack of feeling in the pectoral area.
Seeing this in my college gym amazes me. I actually think the shitty ROM crowd is in the majority. Anybody going bar to chest STANDS OUT.[/quote]
This guy stops me mid rep saying hey man WHAT ARE YOU DOING???
I finished 2 more reps and look at him?? What do you mean?
Don’t go all the way down, its easier that way, if you want to get huge, you have to stop half way, its a lot harder then taking it down to the chest…???
So i tell him i am pausing and it is a lot harder, he jumps under my bar laughing at what i just said, picks the weight, pauses at chest and gets pinned… I laughed and got the weight off him, he grabbed his hoodie and left the gym…
[quote]sluicy wrote:
Hmmm, is this an accurate dynamic in how men think? I’ve never heard it expressed before. That is, a woman herself would command more respect because her husband is “large and strong.” I thought it would be just in the interest of self preservation.
A couple of weeks ago a guy was making fun of me and his friend told him to shut up because my husband is “brawny and unshaven.” It was hilarious.
Threads like this make me almost wish I trained at the gym now and then so I could witness all the hilarity. People are so funny and weird… me too I’m sure. :-)[/quote]
Men, ESPECIALLY groups of men operate on a “pack” mentality.
There is an Alpha, and social order is generally related pretty closely with physical ability among other qualities.
If your the Alpha’s girl or even the girl of one of the more dominant males your going to get respect proportional to your male’s dominance.
Its not so much that the other males are, USUALLY, “truly” afraid your male is going to hurt them, its simply a sign of respect to him, by being respectful of his prized possession.
(Like it or not men feel they own their girl, its instinct, women do it to)
That isnt to say they wouldn’t respect you for who you are, but you command greater authority because of it.
Its authority and value by proxy, the dominant male chose you, the other males respect the dominant male, therefor you are valued in their eyes because you are valued in his.
Example: his friend defended your honor, even from jokes, as a sign of respect to your boyfriend, respect for him is now identified as respect for you.
The Alpha’s girl generally commands significantly more respect than the other girls, and even some of the lower guys, like the lowest guy (group bitch), every group of guys has the “really nice guy” with kind of a weak personality who everyone jokingly picks on, but everyone likes.
[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
i see all these sorts of things around my gym, and even some that have not yet been listed…
hell, i am confident everyone has or will at one point.
complaining about it however in a “oh those silly uneducated bitches” fashion is more than slightly petty.
but it’s oh so fun…especially when you can play doctor and diagnose the symptoms…even think of methods or medications to prescribe and fix it.
lol
DG
I can see that, however, in my experience, ive never actually seen any learned person try to guide these lost souls through their illnesses.
I of course will be the first to admit that i was afflicted with a number of these diseases myself when i initially took up weight lifting. I can only imagine how much better off i would have been if someone who knew what they were doing chose to show me the ropes instead of gossiping about me on an internet forum or scoffing at my “inept-ness” with their buddies.
a great number of these people are not the douche-bags we portray them to be, they just don’t know any better.[/quote]
For the most part alot of these people even if you try to help them just end up doing the samething anyway after you give them some advice. Thats why when I do give advice to people, its to people who look like they need advice or people who come up and ask me what movement to do for such and such muscle groups.
For example. Female fire fighter and her guy friend one nite where at the cables doing high pully cable cross overs with a 90degree elbow angle. I come ask them what are you working? She says chest. I tell her and her friend to keep there arms straight maybee with a slight bend and youll hit the chest better. So she comes over to me and has me show her how to do it right while her friend just shakes his had, scoffs at me, and procedes to do it his way. Of course I just look at him and say Ive lifted weights for 11years, I kinda think I know what Im doing most of the time.
So in short sometimes it is good to help people lift right but alot of the time those people we poke fun of dont want your help and think they know everything. I dont claim to know everything, hell I learn new shit everyday, but I know enough to be dangerous.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
sluicy wrote:
Hmmm, is this an accurate dynamic in how men think? I’ve never heard it expressed before. That is, a woman herself would command more respect because her husband is “large and strong.” I thought it would be just in the interest of self preservation.
A couple of weeks ago a guy was making fun of me and his friend told him to shut up because my husband is “brawny and unshaven.” It was hilarious.
Threads like this make me almost wish I trained at the gym now and then so I could witness all the hilarity. People are so funny and weird… me too I’m sure.
Men, ESPECIALLY groups of men operate on a “pack” mentality.
There is an Alpha, and social order is generally related pretty closely with physical ability among other qualities.
If your the Alpha’s girl or even the girl of one of the more dominant males your going to get respect proportional to your male’s dominance.
Its not so much that the other males are, USUALLY, “truly” afraid your male is going to hurt them, its simply a sign of respect to him, by being respectful of his prized possession.
(Like it or not men feel they own their girl, its instinct, women do it to)
That isnt to say they wouldn’t respect you for who you are, but you command greater authority because of it.
Its authority and value by proxy, the dominant male chose you, the other males respect the dominant male, therefor you are valued in their eyes because you are valued in his.
Example: his friend defended your honor, even from jokes, as a sign of respect to your boyfriend, respect for him is now identified as respect for you.
The Alpha’s girl generally commands significantly more respect than the other girls, and even some of the lower guys, like the lowest guy (group bitch), every group of guys has the “really nice guy” with kind of a weak personality who everyone jokingly picks on, but everyone likes.
[/quote]
I study canine behavior and it is always amusing how much human behavior mirrors it. I’m well aware of the pack dynamic, but this was new to me in terms of seeing the male view of the status of women in relation to the male hierarchy.
And I don’t mind feeling “owned,” because I’m owned by a dominant man.
[quote]mavis13 wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
i see all these sorts of things around my gym, and even some that have not yet been listed…
hell, i am confident everyone has or will at one point.
complaining about it however in a “oh those silly uneducated bitches” fashion is more than slightly petty.
but it’s oh so fun…especially when you can play doctor and diagnose the symptoms…even think of methods or medications to prescribe and fix it.
lol
DG
I can see that, however, in my experience, ive never actually seen any learned person try to guide these lost souls through their illnesses.
I of course will be the first to admit that i was afflicted with a number of these diseases myself when i initially took up weight lifting. I can only imagine how much better off i would have been if someone who knew what they were doing chose to show me the ropes instead of gossiping about me on an internet forum or scoffing at my “inept-ness” with their buddies.
a great number of these people are not the douche-bags we portray them to be, they just don’t know any better.
For the most part alot of these people even if you try to help them just end up doing the samething anyway after you give them some advice. Thats why when I do give advice to people, its to people who look like they need advice or people who come up and ask me what movement to do for such and such muscle groups.
For example. Female fire fighter and her guy friend one nite where at the cables doing high pully cable cross overs with a 90degree elbow angle. I come ask them what are you working? She says chest. I tell her and her friend to keep there arms straight maybee with a slight bend and youll hit the chest better. So she comes over to me and has me show her how to do it right while her friend just shakes his had, scoffs at me, and procedes to do it his way. Of course I just look at him and say Ive lifted weights for 11years, I kinda think I know what Im doing most of the time.
So in short sometimes it is good to help people lift right but alot of the time those people we poke fun of dont want your help and think they know everything. I dont claim to know everything, hell I learn new shit everyday, but I know enough to be dangerous.
[/quote]
I am not pointing fingers or making accusations.
I am however, quite confident that we have a number of douche-bag kids here who use this forum to poke fun at new lifters without offering assistance. They know who they are.
This sort of “elitist” bullshit just gets to me. It’s nothing personal, and directed at no one in particular.
-trust me, I have seen the epitome of ignorance in nooby lifters, and the complete douche-bags who scoff and mock on the other side of the spectrum.
Edit: for example, when i was starting out in my gym a few years back, there was this young man, about 3 years older than I, who had been training for around 3 years. He took oral drops of D-bol under his tongue (lol) to assist him in his workouts.
He seemed huge to me at the time (around 190), and i really looked up to him. As it turned out, he spent a great deal of time shit-talking me to his buddies for exemplifying a number of said diseases.
I really wanted him to show me how to do things properly, but never had the courage to ask because he looked so diesel.
My lack of knowledge led me to foolish training habbits and screwed up shoulders.
He had left for a while to train elsewhere and when he had returned i had packed on a considerable amount of size. Instead of doing nothing at all, or congratulating me and inquiring as to how i made such progress, he spread rumors that i had used substances to achieve what i had achieved.
Because of my ignorance and his douche-baggery, i now have significantly damaged shoulders. It pains me to think that this could have been avoided if someone took the time to not be an asshole.
-true story by the way
Helping others despite how ignorant and unreceptive they might be is one of the values expoused in the Brotherhood of Iron, is it not?
[quote]sluicy wrote:
I study canine behavior and it is always amusing how much human behavior mirrors it. I’m well aware of the pack dynamic, but this was new to me in terms of seeing the male view of the status of women in relation to the male hierarchy.
And I don’t mind feeling “owned,” because I’m owned by a dominant man. [/quote]
In my experience, women’s value in a pack of especially younger males, but all men fit these basic assumptions, is dependent on a few main factors.
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The main one is physical attractiveness, if your hot, your valuable to the group. Simple as that.
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Your male’s rank
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The number of other females you can bring to the group
What gets interesting is how the pack responds to an attractive single female who is not attached to any male in the group.
She commands authority because the other single males give it to her in hopes that she will choose them as her male. They cater to her whims if you will and will protect her, socially, physically, etc., in hopes of proving their ability.
However, the males that already have girls give her little authority because they already have a girl, and have no need to impress her.
So the single female’s “value” is not only determined by herself, but by whether or not the leading males are interested in her.
Meaning if the alpha or several other dominant males are single the group has a much different dynamic than if they already had girls.
Roll with a large group of guys for a while and its fascinating what happens. Im usually the alpha, but on a few rare occasions I have to yield my position to a usually larger, older, guy and I can see the group shift to his leadership.
[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
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I’m a little curious: How did you damage your shoulders? If you tell us now, maybe someone here (me i.e.) wont do the same mistakes later.
haha this has got to be my favorite thread, soo funny