My First Planned Cycle.

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Hi my names Pete this is my first post here, I’ve had a browse through already and this forum seems rammed with quality information :smiley:

I’m going to be ordering for my first cycle soon and wanted to know if this looked alright to everyone.

500mg of Test E split between 2 injections per week.

DBol 20mg a week (unsure of this at the moment ill explain further on)

HCG 250iu twice a week starting from week 4?

I’m unsure if I’m prone to MPB, for this reason i wanted to take as little chance as possible with my first cycle, i wanted to run Finasteride throughout at 1.25mg, starting 2 weeks early as i’ve read that it needs pre loading.

I also heard finasteride can cause extra bloat during my cycle so i’m going to purchase some liquidex (as it’s cheaper that arimidex tablets) and run it low .25 every other day, or E3D and raise if necessary.

With the DBol, is it true that Finasteride can’t stop shredding brought on by Dbol? If this is the case i’d possibly try turinabol instead just to see how my body reacts.

And ofcourse 2 weeks after the cycle I’d start with nolva.

Sorry if that’s a mouthfull, if anyone would like to add any suggestions or correct me that’d be great.

Thanks :smiley:

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Height, weight, age, diet, reason for cycle?

Why so low Dbol? 20/week?

Can’t really help you until I have some more information brother.

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I don’t understand how you’re taking 1.25mg of Finasteride a day- unless you plan on cutting the 1mg tabs into 4ths, but given that they are already so small that seems almost impossible. Why not just 1mg?
I took Propecia (Finasteride) for two years. Two weeks before probably isn’t going to make that big of a difference vs. starting it at the same time as your cycle…if you really wanted to get a head start, I’d say take it a month before you start the cycle. Most dermatologists say it takes around 2 months to begin seeing the effects.

I’ll be taking Propecia with my upcoming cycle, but I’m not going to start it early. Especially when it’s $75 per 30mg. Proscar, while substantially cheaper, didn’t seem to work as well.

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[quote]peteski wrote:
With the DBol, is it true that Finasteride can’t stop shredding brought on by Dbol? If this is the case i’d possibly try turinabol instead just to see how my body reacts.[/quote]

No, it won’t do much to prevent hairloss that might otherwise occur due to Dbol. It just isn’t much of a substrate for 5AR so finasteride / proscar / propecia won’t do a heck of lot.

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[quote]Willith wrote:
I don’t understand how you’re taking 1.25mg of Finasteride a day- unless you plan on cutting the 1mg tabs into 4ths, but given that they are already so small that seems almost impossible. Why not just 1mg?
I took Propecia (Finasteride) for two years. Two weeks before probably isn’t going to make that big of a difference vs. starting it at the same time as your cycle…if you really wanted to get a head start, I’d say take it a month before you start the cycle. Most dermatologists say it takes around 2 months to begin seeing the effects.

I’ll be taking Propecia with my upcoming cycle, but I’m not going to start it early. Especially when it’s $75 per 30mg. Proscar, while substantially cheaper, didn’t seem to work as well.[/quote]

Proscar is the same chemical as Propecia (Finasteride), only Proscar comes in 5mg tabs so you have to divide them into quarters hence 1.25mg per serving. There is no way Propecia will work any better or worse than Proscar other than your wallet will be lighter. Both my brother and I have been on Proscar 1.25mg ED for 5 years and it is has worked wonders.

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[quote]Rooster1980 wrote:

Proscar is the same chemical as Propecia (Finasteride), only Proscar comes in 5mg tabs so you have to divide them into quarters hence 1.25mg per serving. There is no way Propecia will work any better or worse than Proscar other than your wallet will be lighter. Both my brother and I have been on Proscar 1.25mg ED for 5 years and it is has worked wonders.[/quote]

I know it’s the same thing, the “generic version”. Even when I used a pill cutter I very rarely got a clean cut- which made it hard to determine how much you were actually taking; sometimes more sometimes less. I’d usually just get it in half and take 2.5mg because at the time I was way too worried about not taking enough. It was a pain in the ass and I’d never do it again, regardless of how much cheaper it was.

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[quote]Willith wrote:
Rooster1980 wrote:

Proscar is the same chemical as Propecia (Finasteride), only Proscar comes in 5mg tabs so you have to divide them into quarters hence 1.25mg per serving. There is no way Propecia will work any better or worse than Proscar other than your wallet will be lighter. Both my brother and I have been on Proscar 1.25mg ED for 5 years and it is has worked wonders.

I know it’s the same thing, the “generic version”. Even when I used a pill cutter I very rarely got a clean cut- which made it hard to determine how much you were actually taking; sometimes more sometimes less. I’d usually just get it in half and take 2.5mg because at the time I was way too worried about not taking enough. It was a pain in the ass and I’d never do it again, regardless of how much cheaper it was.[/quote]

It can be a pain in the ass, I sit down with a razor blade and cut them up very carefully, in 30 min I can cut 30 pills into 4 months worth. I was thinking about trying the liquid kind you can get on some of the chem research sites?? That would be way cheaper and you would know exactly how much your taking, I just don’t know how reliable that stuff is?

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There are also pill cutters available.

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[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Height, weight, age, diet, reason for cycle?

Why so low Dbol? 20/week?

Can’t really help you until I have some more information brother. [/quote]

Hi bud i’m 5,8, just over 10stone, i’m adding a pic to my profile to give an idea of my build, I have pretty much no bodyfat though and struggle to gain weight.

I started a new diet a couple of weeks ago an slowly my weight is climbing.

Breakfast
Protein Shake with a cup of oats inside / Banana

4 egg omelette

around 10

tin of pineapples, 4 wheat crackers, half a natural yoghurt pot with half a scoup of casein mixed in, a teaspoon of peanut butter.

12.30
Either beef or turkey deli meat, normally around 200g, in 4 slices of wholemeal bread, with salad

around this time i have a slight problem, i work till 4.30, with only one more break of 10 minutes, at half 3, what would be good to snack on around now? nuts?

4.30 - Whey Protein and a piece of fruit before my training.

Post training
Jam on a bagel, protein shake with 2 scoops of whey and 1 scoop of casein

Lunch
Either Chicken/Steak, with salad and either rice or large potato

Then Casein shake before bed with either oats or nuts.

Any help would be great, i got most of these ideas through reading magazines and help online anyways.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]Willith wrote:
I don’t understand how you’re taking 1.25mg of Finasteride a day- unless you plan on cutting the 1mg tabs into 4ths, but given that they are already so small that seems almost impossible. Why not just 1mg?
I took Propecia (Finasteride) for two years. Two weeks before probably isn’t going to make that big of a difference vs. starting it at the same time as your cycle…if you really wanted to get a head start, I’d say take it a month before you start the cycle. Most dermatologists say it takes around 2 months to begin seeing the effects.

I’ll be taking Propecia with my upcoming cycle, but I’m not going to start it early. Especially when it’s $75 per 30mg. Proscar, while substantially cheaper, didn’t seem to work as well.[/quote]

I was going to buy fincar, it’s in 5mg tablets, so i’d have to try my best to quarter them really :slight_smile:

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[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Height, weight, age, diet, reason for cycle?

Why so low Dbol? 20/week?

Can’t really help you until I have some more information brother. [/quote]
I read that 20mg is good in a first cycle, not too much and gives room to build on that?

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20mg/d NOT 20mg/w

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Is there anything that effectively combats hairloss symptoms brought on by Dbol?

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On the topic, should one notice any MPB in 4 weeks of dbol? Throughout my cycle, i noticed my hair got thick as hell (i blame this on test)

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[quote]peteski wrote:
TrainerinDC wrote:
Height, weight, age, diet, reason for cycle?

Why so low Dbol? 20/week?

Can’t really help you until I have some more information brother.

Hi bud i’m 5,8, just over 10stone, i’m adding a pic to my profile to give an idea of my build, I have pretty much no bodyfat though and struggle to gain weight.

I started a new diet a couple of weeks ago an slowly my weight is climbing.

Breakfast
Protein Shake with a cup of oats inside / Banana

4 egg omelette

around 10

tin of pineapples, 4 wheat crackers, half a natural yoghurt pot with half a scoup of casein mixed in, a teaspoon of peanut butter.

12.30
Either beef or turkey deli meat, normally around 200g, in 4 slices of wholemeal bread, with salad

around this time i have a slight problem, i work till 4.30, with only one more break of 10 minutes, at half 3, what would be good to snack on around now? nuts?

4.30 - Whey Protein and a piece of fruit before my training.

Post training
Jam on a bagel, protein shake with 2 scoops of whey and 1 scoop of casein

Lunch
Either Chicken/Steak, with salad and either rice or large potato

Then Casein shake before bed with either oats or nuts.

Any help would be great, i got most of these ideas through reading magazines and help online anyways.

:)[/quote]

If your weight is climbing on this new diet why would you start AAS? I think your problem has been not eating enough. Whenever I plateau I just eat more and it almost always seems to work. How much is 10stone in lbs?

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[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
20mg/d NOT 20mg/w[/quote]

Yes i meant that, i must have mis typed in my first post.

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[quote]Willith wrote:
Is there anything that effectively combats hairloss symptoms brought on by Dbol?[/quote]

I’d like to know this too, from what i’ve read nizoral is abut as effective as it gets :frowning:

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[quote]peteski wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
20mg/d NOT 20mg/w

Yes i meant that, i must have mis typed in my first post.[/quote]

30 mg/d in split doses is a good amount to start with. 20mg/d could be ok too, but I can say from experience that 30mg/d of good dbol kicks ass.

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[quote]BUSHMASTER wrote:
peteski wrote:
TrainerinDC wrote:
If your weight is climbing on this new diet why would you start AAS? I think your problem has been not eating enough. Whenever I plateau I just eat more and it almost always seems to work. How much is 10stone in lbs?
[/quote]

its 140lbs. I think the eat more solution will hold him for a good long time before he needs to add some assistance.

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Where can one obtain from a reliable source a test supplementation?