I’m interested in this diet is there a summary anywhere, can’t WADE THROUGH 1400 POSTS
[quote]legend wrote:
I’m interested in this diet is there a summary anywhere, can’t WADE THROUGH 1400 POSTS[/quote]
There was an article by Chris Shugart a while back you can search for. It’s enough to get you started. I would read the entire thread while you’re doing, though. Great insight from people who’ve been doing it for years and know all the tricks. It’s bareable if you commit yourself to reading one page a day. By the time you’re done, You’ll be a month and a half into the diet and have a lot of extra knowledge. Good luck and welcome aboard!
Carb loading started earlier today…
Sweet Potatahz + Nat. Peanut Butter + SF Jam (Jelly) + Cinamonomon = awesome.
I’m a former college football player looking to pursue a pro career. I have gone through three knee surgeries on my left knee, but have stayed as active as possible throughout the recovery process. I’ve been hearing a lot about the anabolic and metabolic diets. My concerns are that I may lose too much weight and not be able to put on muscle mass.
I stand about 6’4 and currently weigh about 265lbs. I’m comfortable with my strength at this weight, but have not been able to do too much cardio since my last operation 4 weeks ago. I’d love to lean out more while maintaining my strength and mass. I currently work out 5-6 days a week, with two work out sessions 4 days per week.
Does thie diet sound like something that may work for me? I’m really interested in learning more. I will buy the book.
I read the, “Anabolic Solution,” but am unclear on a couple of things. First is eating salad and vegetables on a daily basis ok? The author specified that most vegetables were ok and especially useful for getting fiber into the diet, but I am still a bit unsure. Secondly, I am a bit concerned that I may lose too much weight. I’m not fat by any means, but do carry some at 265lbs. I am not a bodybuilder. My goals don’t include getting down to 240, but ultamitely would like to be a leaner 265 or 275 or so. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
This thread is amazing. Thank you all. I just read the entire thread (over the Thanksgiving Break) and started the diet after Turkey Day. I am excited since I will be using this as a cutting diet first to see if i can finally get down to single digit BF%. Thank you to all again.
I just ended a 4 day carb load. Is that just wrong?
Ok, I’m starting now. After the 4 day coma called Thanksgiving, it is time to try something new. I had been doing Massive Eating for a while, so there weren’t large amounts of carbs before.
One thing I am noticing while trying to put this one on paper is that it is difficult for me to get that much fat in without too much protien. And olive oil tastes funny in a chocolate protien shake. I don’t think I can take a spoonful of it yet.
So I’m on Day 1, at 217lbs, probably 20%, and trying to get 240g of fat. Wow. That’s a lot. I have actually had to cut down my veg consumption to keep from going over 30g of carbs. I have to have almost 50g of Pro and 40g of Fat per meal. I am taking plenty of fish and flax oil, and oo at every meal. Bacon, beef and fish. Veggies and Sugar Free Fiber Choice (inulin).
So aside from the random ramblings, off we go!
-folly
[quote]folly wrote:
One thing I am noticing while trying to put this one on paper is that it is difficult for me to get that much fat in without too much protien. And olive oil tastes funny in a chocolate protien shake. I don’t think I can take a spoonful of it yet.
-folly[/quote]
Hey man, congrats on starting the diet, I think you’ll be happy with what it does for you. It’s wierd that you say that OO tastes funny in a chocolate shake, because I personally think it makes the shake taste better. Your problem may be the quality of olive oil you are using. As you go up in quality, (and in price), you get more olive flavor. This rocks in salads, on pasta etc, but sucks for adding fat to shakes. My advice is to go to whatever grocery you normally go to and get the cheapest, biggest aluminum can of OO for adding when you want fat, but no flavor. Use the expensive stuff on your salads. Good luck!
-CA
So I’m going to write an update for anyone interested, because I’m all buzzed on coffee. I implemented DH’s suggestions on midweek CHO spiking and very high level CHO on weekends two weeks ago. I’ve been making a large effort to keep CHO clean, and am beginning to really enjoy plain starches (brown rice, oatmeal, sw. potatoes etc) again. My weight this last week was up 2lbs, and my waist size seems to have gone down, I dunno. Badass though, thanks DH.
I also bit the bullet, and decided that I need to do cardio all of the time to prevent fat gain, even when bulking. That may have something to do with it, I dunno.
I also did a bottle of Alpha Male, and while it didn’t seem to do anything (I think because I am 20), it didn’t hurt. Since I am going to return it, I’m cool with that.
Thanks to DH for making me stick with this!
-CA
You know, I hadn’t thought of that. I love to cook, and I use only good quality extra virgin olive oil. That’s what I had handy. But I was under the impressions that the evoo had qualities that light oo didn’t have. The first press was the best…etc.
thanks
-folly
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I was thinking of using udo’s oil for the shakes instead of oo. Any thoughts?
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
folly wrote:
One thing I am noticing while trying to put this one on paper is that it is difficult for me to get that much fat in without too much protien. And olive oil tastes funny in a chocolate protien shake. I don’t think I can take a spoonful of it yet.
-folly
Hey man, congrats on starting the diet, I think you’ll be happy with what it does for you. It’s wierd that you say that OO tastes funny in a chocolate shake, because I personally think it makes the shake taste better. Your problem may be the quality of olive oil you are using. As you go up in quality, (and in price), you get more olive flavor. This rocks in salads, on pasta etc, but sucks for adding fat to shakes. My advice is to go to whatever grocery you normally go to and get the cheapest, biggest aluminum can of OO for adding when you want fat, but no flavor. Use the expensive stuff on your salads. Good luck!
-CA[/quote]
"One thing I am noticing while trying to put this one on paper is that it is difficult for me to get that much fat in without too much protien. And olive oil tastes funny in a chocolate protien shake. I don’t think I can take a spoonful of it yet. "
Eat chicken breasts, use more protein powders…but I find that I do not need as much protein on this diet as normal. I’m around 280 right now and I get about 240g/pro per day and am doing fine.
Add coconut oil to your shakes…or take your fish oil caps with them…or try adding flaxmeal, you get the fats and the fiber…
Make sure you get a quality, dark, olive oil in a tin or dark container. If you don’t like it on shakes, stick to putting it on foods/salads.
Thanks IC. I’ll try the coconut oil thing.
-folly
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
"One thing I am noticing while trying to put this one on paper is that it is difficult for me to get that much fat in without too much protien. And olive oil tastes funny in a chocolate protien shake. I don’t think I can take a spoonful of it yet. "
Eat chicken breasts, use more protein powders…but I find that I do not need as much protein on this diet as normal. I’m around 280 right now and I get about 240g/pro per day and am doing fine.
Add coconut oil to your shakes…or take your fish oil caps with them…or try adding flaxmeal, you get the fats and the fiber…
Make sure you get a quality, dark, olive oil in a tin or dark container. If you don’t like it on shakes, stick to putting it on foods/salads.[/quote]
[quote]folly wrote:
I was thinking of using udo’s oil for the shakes instead of oo. Any thoughts?
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I really don’t have much experience with Udo’s, I’ve never used it myself. From what I do know about it though, if you can afford to do it, then go right ahead!
-CA
Chuck,
You can get some dextrose by going to Google. Punch in “dextrose powder” and then you’ll see the top link in red. Very good price. Dextrose is very sweet so some prefer a mix of dextrose and maltodextrin as the malto is much less intense tasting. Either way is perfectly fine.
DH
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
bricked. wrote:
Atlas, how did you super carb load eating go, as per Disc’s advice?
I’d love to see what you put down on the load - I’m trying to gain, and I put down like 900carb over 36 hours. I wanted to die, so much foooood.
Last weekend it went great, this weekend not so much, as I had to work consessions at the game with my team which = 0 time to eat for 8hrs!
So, last week it broke down to my consuming ~1450g CHO over 36hrs (not counting fiber and a few pieces of fruit as snacks). I also am trying out the midweek CHO spike on top of this, so last wednesday for my last meal at 8:00, I took down ~250g CHO. This is an entire box of WW pasta for anyone interested!
Weight is up, waist is the same. It seems to be working, the only question is can I keep it up? This is, needless to say, a ton of food for someone at 5’7’', 175lbs. It helps that I excercise and have a healthy appetite, but damn! I hope I keep gaining wieght on this, I don’t know if i can eat much more! (just joking here, I could eat more if I pushed it).
Question for DH or anyone else who would know: It was suggested that to maximize weight gain we should try to get in 25-30g of maltose or dextrose PW. Is this available in any common preparation, or do I need to go somewhere special. I noticed gatoraide contains sucrose and maltose as the first 2 ingredients. Would 2 servings (30g CHO) be okay PW?
Thanks!
-CA[/quote]
I get about 1/3 - 1/2 of my protein from powder per day. Also I use olive oil, nuts, and cheeses to get fats. Then I eat meat and eggs daily too. By getting a good “slower” powder that is at least 50% milk protein isolate or any casein based protein and mixing some whey with it, you’ll have a great meal protein. At 250, I get about 220-250g protein daily. If I want to gain, I up my fat cals and maybe boost Pro a bit. This saves money well.
DH
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
I’m about to begin a second go-round of the AD and I have a question which I was going to post on the board but instead will ask here first:
How do you guys save money when it comes to buying beef, and more specifically steaks (but also chunks for stews, kabobs,soups)?
We need to eat so much of it and its so expensive, I’d like to hear some tips and tricks. From what I understand, although its quite economical, hamburger meat is not as effective as steaks, possibly because its already been processed and broken down somewhat.
My situation:
-I have a Costco membership but I’m not impressed with their meat prices, although most everything else has great prices, esp fish. (Their frozen salmon burgers are great)
-I live next to a low-income neighborhood where everything is cheaper, especially at the supermarket. They have awesome prices on most things, but still the beef is expensive.
Expensive meaning if I want a decent steak, higher quality than a chuck steak, I’m spending minimum $5 dollars per steak.
So what do you do?
A) just buy whatever you want
B) buy cheap steak and tenderize it. If so, please tell me what you do to tenderize it.
c) Scan supermarket circulars and wait for sales so you can stock up
or d) some combination of the above[/quote]
Oooh, uber updates!
From my limited experience on this the AD, your protein can be quite low if your fats are high enough. I’ve got a friend on the AD that does 75% fat, 20% pro, 5% carb. I think.
I’ve also started eating lamb liver (aka lamb’s fry) once a day. Tastes a bit strange, but you get over it. It is a nutritional powerhouse. Huge amounts of awesome vitamins/minerals/pixie dust that help to make you huge.
It does, however, contain a small amount of carbs, due to the fact that the liver holds carbs. Neat huh?
I was under the impression that the Doc was against MCT (coconut oil) as it fucks with the metabolic energy pathways of the diet.
I don’t know if one or two tbsp a day will make that much of a difference. I am using EVOO, fish and flax as my main liquid sources. I just didn’t like the whole chocolate olive oil shake thing.
Oh, and MCT’s or no, one scoop Low-Carb Grow!, two tbsp nat pb and one tbsp coconut oil is my new favorite thing. Can you feel the love?
-folly
[quote]brickt. wrote:
IC talking about adding coconut oil to shakes…
I was under the impression that the Doc was against MCT (coconut oil) as it fucks with the metabolic energy pathways of the diet.
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