[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
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nice to see some of the more experienced guys coming back.
[quote]TITI MATIBAY wrote:
Low-Carb bread… too good to be true?
I bought some bread that has 13g carbs but 12g fiber. 1g effective carbs? Seems too good to be true to me. I still feel guilty eating it.[/quote]
It really depends. I found a local brand that actually lives up to it’s claims. But, as far as most store bought brands, you won’t have much luck.
Add it slowly and monitor your weight/bodyfat/even ketosis (if applicable)
-Steve
[quote]Evil1 wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
nice to see some of the more experienced guys coming back.[/quote]
Thanks, I’ve been away too long.
Nice to have one of the pros back!I am at page 150 right now and your posts still show up IC 
Today is my second carb up weekend and hopefully its gonna be better than last ones.I have oatmeal,strawberries,veggies,whole wheat pasta,tahini,feta,peanut butter.I also worked out an hour ago and i feel ready for some quality eating!
Yeah! No Thursday-Training-Crash this week 
[quote]Philo wrote:
Yeah! No Thursday-Training-Crash this week :-)[/quote]
Which protocol did you try?
[quote]TITI MATIBAY wrote:
Low-Carb bread… too good to be true?
I bought some bread that has 13g carbs but 12g fiber. 1g effective carbs? Seems too good to be true to me. I still feel guilty eating it.[/quote]
you sure they didn’t list it separately? (as in 25 total but 12 fibre giving 13 ‘net’)
Do a calorie calculation on it. Total Cals - (prox4 + fatx9). If the difference is 4 cals, then it has 1gm carb, if not then count the extra carbs.
There are some truely low carb tortillas though, that you can order online or maybe even find in you grocery store (usually refrigerated)
Evil1, I found one such kind of tortilla. They’re called like, Tam-X-ico’s or something. but their CFP profile is 5/4.5/5 with 9g total carbs.
Why are they refrigerated?
When I bring them home, I just leave them in my cupboard. Should I be doing otherwise?
Also, what’s your take on the Mission Carb Balance series of burrito and fajita sized tortillas? One thing I noticed with a bit of confusion ever since I first bought them was that they counted calories from all the fiber.
[quote]Evil1 wrote:
Which protocol did you try?[/quote]
40-50g of carbs a day, only from veggies.
Glutamine, BCAAs and Leucin. 1/2 of the serving pre-workout and the other 1/2 during my workout. Post-Workout whey-isolate with another serving of BCAAs.
Ok i finished my first 90% healthy carb up.Here is what i ate
100 g oatmeal,100 g raisins,40 g peanut butter and cinnamon
500g strawberries,a dip made with 20 g peanut butter,40 g tahini and a teaspoon of cocoa,apple
Big salad with beets,carrots,cucumber,100 g raisins and 30 g sunflower seeds(really great salad,ate it into two doses)
200 g of whole wheat pasta with meat sauce and some shredded cheese
Incidentals:around 50 g of halva(the damn thing tasted great),100 g of gouda and 3 rusks
Sandwich when we went out
In general it felt ok and i consumed around 3500-3700 calories but it was a workout day so i am not that worried.I aim for some fat loss so i think that a 24 hour carb up will work just fine.Does anyone have any recommendations?I kept some notes about how i felt during the meals and i am gonna make some tweaks.The good thing is that i had more mental fortitude this time,i didnt pig out and i dont look like i gained 5 kilos in one day…
[quote]nz6stringaxe wrote:
Evil1, I found one such kind of tortilla. They’re called like, Tam-X-ico’s or something. but their CFP profile is 5/4.5/5 with 9g total carbs.
Why are they refrigerated?
When I bring them home, I just leave them in my cupboard. Should I be doing otherwise?
Also, what’s your take on the Mission Carb Balance series of burrito and fajita sized tortillas? One thing I noticed with a bit of confusion ever since I first bought them was that they counted calories from all the fiber.[/quote]
They are refrigerated due to the higher fat content. (tend to be 30% fat) so to prevent them going rancid, refrigeration is suggested. If its cool enough in the cupboard, I don’t think it will spoil all that quick.
I have heard of the mission brand being the source of some controversy amongst low carbers. Some avoid them entirely for the hydrogenated oils they list. the net carb count on them is also of a doubtful nature, since they flour first, where most lc tortillas list water first with various low carb flours.
If its not hampering your goals, I would say don’t worry. The labelling laws allow for all sorts of discrepancies.
If it does bother you, look for Mama Lupe’s/Joseph’s or La Tortilla or stick with Tam-x-ico.
You can search pretty much any lc product on this site:
forum.lowcarber.org (tons of atkins, paleo dieters who have reviewed and rated a heck of a lot of lc stuff)
Good resource, thanks.
I DID observe the hidden trans fats in the Missions about a month ago, and had a little mental struggle on whether or not I could part with them. Those forum members seem to have had the same troubles.
They also recommended Tumaro’s tortillas, which I have been using sometime. They’re NOT refrigerated in the store. Do you have any personal opinion on these? I haven’t bought them in a while. My tortilla selection is limited between these three brands as they’re all I can find in my shopping ventures.
[quote]nz6stringaxe wrote:
Good resource, thanks.
I DID observe the hidden trans fats in the Missions about a month ago, and had a little mental struggle on whether or not I could part with them. Those forum members seem to have had the same troubles.
They also recommended Tumaro’s tortillas, which I have been using sometime. They’re NOT refrigerated in the store. Do you have any personal opinion on these? I haven’t bought them in a while. My tortilla selection is limited between these three brands as they’re all I can find in my shopping ventures. [/quote]
nope, no opinions. I live in Canada and you can’t find this stuff up here. I have to order them online and even then I am restricted to a couple of brands (josephs and mama lupe) I eat them soo rarely, that I really don’t know the diff. I tried Tam-X-ico when I went to washington in Dec, there ok I guess.
It doesn’t help that I have never had a ‘regular’ tortilla either. Sorry.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
TITI MATIBAY wrote:
Low-Carb bread… too good to be true?
I bought some bread that has 13g carbs but 12g fiber. 1g effective carbs? Seems too good to be true to me. I still feel guilty eating it.
It really depends. I found a local brand that actually lives up to it’s claims. But, as far as most store bought brands, you won’t have much luck.
Add it slowly and monitor your weight/bodyfat/even ketosis (if applicable)
-Steve[/quote]
Yup, they have listed it as 1g Net Carbs. It’s a local brand here in San Diego from Julian. Check it out at julianbakery.com.
[quote]TITI MATIBAY wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
TITI MATIBAY wrote:
Low-Carb bread… too good to be true?
I bought some bread that has 13g carbs but 12g fiber. 1g effective carbs? Seems too good to be true to me. I still feel guilty eating it.
It really depends. I found a local brand that actually lives up to it’s claims. But, as far as most store bought brands, you won’t have much luck.
Add it slowly and monitor your weight/bodyfat/even ketosis (if applicable)
-Steve
Yup, they have listed it as 1g Net Carbs. It’s a local brand here in San Diego from Julian. Check it out at julianbakery.com. [/quote]
Cool, give it a shot. If it goes well, they’ll have a customer in me!
-Steve
[quote]Evil1 wrote:
nope, no opinions. I live in Canada and you can’t find this stuff up here. I have to order them online and even then I am restricted to a couple of brands (josephs and mama lupe) I eat them soo rarely, that I really don’t know the diff. I tried Tam-X-ico when I went to washington in Dec, there ok I guess.
It doesn’t help that I have never had a ‘regular’ tortilla either. Sorry.[/quote]
Ha, that’s alright. What I found funny once I started eating more tortillas was that the ‘real’ ones were much more brittle than the low-carb “cardboard plates” that people spoke of. Most low-carb tortillas are much softer from what I’ve found.
I would never eat tortillas either until I realized they could be a vehicle for other food, much like bread, but different.
YaY! - Il Cazzo is in da house!!!
~M~
Hey All,
This diet is rocking. I have been on for a month now. I am not a competitor, just someone who appreciates maintaining a healthy, muscular appearance.
I have lost 4-5 pounds, but my body is really starting to transform itself. Fuller Muscles, less bloat around the belly.
I ask a question about vacations:
I get 2-3 weeks off a year. Can one who has been on the AD for 3 months, and fully adapted get away with easing up on the diet during 1 week vacations from time to time. If so, do you need to come back to a 12 day induction, or do you go back to 5 day/2 day split.
For what it is worth, I can deal with slight setback, if it allows one to enjoy a week away from the structure from time to time. I just don’t want to wreck the work that I am putting in 90% of the year.
Thank you
I’m thinking about returning to the AD in a few months, but I wanted to ask the experienced ADers a couple questions:
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What method of carb up worked best for you? Every three days? One day per week? Just the weekend?
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What type of carbs did you find worked best? High GI a la Skip’s Refeeds? Low GI healthy sources? Any carb not nailed down?
Thanks.
I have read until page 200,and i have taken a lot of notes so i am gonna give you the knowledge of many experts in one post 
1)-24 hours if you smooth out quickly (or are on a hardcore cut - though you’d be better off cutting calories during the week, as opposed to restricting carbs).
-36 hours if you’re in the middle.
-48 hours if you’re the luckiest person on earth (or are bulking, and don’t care about potential body fat issues)
2)There has been a lot of talk.In one of his posts,CT said
"Here is what I consider to be the order of carb sources that are ideal for body comp.
- non-green veggies, but no starch (yams, potatoes)
- berries
- fruits with a low glycemic index
- other fruits
- yams or potatoes, but only post-workout
- legumes and beans in moderation
- grains (the most ‘‘natural’’ ones)
- other grains (if you have no choice)
- pasta
- sugar/junk "
For a guide regarding how you can feed on carb ups
"I suggest starting the carb up with fruits (to refill liver glycogen ASAP). The best choices being:
- pineapple
- mangoe
- papaya
- orange
- peaches
- cherries
- any type of berries
These should be your only carb source in your first carb up meal for a total of around 50g of carbs (which comes up to around 3 portions of fruit).
The second carb up meal should be based mostly on complex carbs that are absorbed relatively fast … rice, potatoes, bagels, waffles, whole wheat pasta or bread, etc. As well as one portion of fruit. Around 75-100g of carbs from rice, potatoes, etc and 15-25g from fruits.
The third and fourth carb up meals should be based on both fast-absorbed complex carbs and slow-absorbed complex carbs (50g of carbs from each). Slow-absorbed carbs in that meal could include sweet potatoes, oatmeal, yams, cream of wheat, veggies, etc.
The fifth carb up meal should be based mostly on veggies of all sorts, 50-75g of carbs from veggies.
If you want a true “junk carb meal” have it early in the day."
Hope i helped!