[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/is-a-calorie-always-a-calorie/
Good analysis and observations about the Minnesota study and some conclusions for people on the AD.
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Great article…thanks for sharing!!!
Missa
[quote]conorh wrote:
One of the problems people can get into that leads to them feeling like shit is taking in too much protein and not enough fat, then they’re constantly burning protein for fuel, which is much more costly energetically than burning fat.[/quote]
IC had posted a link for an interview with Dr. D for those trying to lose weight- in that Dr. D. says that you can cut your fat intake down to even 15% but up your proteins that much more. I actually tried it - I went down to about 25% from 52% and totally felt like shit- I had little energy and did not feel particularly good in the gym while working out, which was way different from the previous weeks. - Which kind of talks to your point about feeling like shit when you take in too much protein and not enough fat.
But this whole thing leaves me feeling really confused. BEcause what I have also heard is “The protein you eat is converted to glucose instead of the protein in your muscles.” by MIchael R. eades- he’s the one who does the protein power blog.
Do any of you take Spike on low-carb days??..does it have any carbs??
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I’ve never understood why they call it “wheat grass”. Wheat is a grass, so I guess they’re just emphasizing that it’s the greens and not the seed head. At any rate, grasses are a common food allergen and I definitely wouldn’t guzzle wheat juice. I also doubt these detox teas do anything. I mean, how could they possibly work, what mechanism?
As for meat and cheese, I don’t think they’re so bad. Grass fed organic is probably better than conventionally raised, but it’s not like regular meat and cheese is going to make you drop dead. I’d be more concerned with the xenoestrogens in my environment than the minuscule amount of antiobiotics and hormones in my animal foods, and I’m not terribly worried about either.
Rotating foods and fasting occasionally seem like they could have some benefits, but it’s awfully hard if your goal is to get huge.[/quote]
You doubt detox teas? Wtf! Where do you think medicine comes from? Science and medicine are usuaully ‘synthesising’ what nature had already done heaps better (and without side effects)… then people say ‘dont trust natural medicine, wheres the proof?’ LOL Natural medicine is the friggin proof-
A person who devotes themself to a particular brand/line type of food, is waiting for trouble. Theyre just playing bad percentages. Its not an opinion, its a logic. People have died from failing to choose a differnt brand of table salt… they got stuck in their habits… so they got iodine deificiency- mercury toxins- aluminium residue- its all been learnt from already. I am not saying anything new.
imo -people who dont balance dead food diets like the AD with substantial live nutrients are gonna get heaps more troubles then the flu. Not to mention acid wear to teeth from lack of alkalising foods. This is why the Dr pushes the supps so hard… there is a lot extra we must make sure we get.
imo -on this diet, i’d rather miss a meal or a protein shake than my daily serve of wheatgrass. The same goes for 250ml of fresh pressed celery and parsley juice. The real potent, organic stuff (not juice bar crap) It’s like drinking liquid oxygen. 1 shot equiv to 1kg of green leafy-> Forget allergies, this stuff has cured cancer. 70%clorophyll… with something like 90% likeness to heamoglobin… dextoxifer… multivit… over20aminos… and you’re usually drinking it while its still alive… REAL vitality… 
[quote]RisingEmpire wrote:
You doubt detox teas? Wtf! Where do you think medicine comes from? Science and medicine are usuaully ‘synthesising’ what nature had already done heaps better (and without side effects)… then people say ‘dont trust natural medicine, wheres the proof?’ LOL Natural medicine is the friggin proof-
imo -people who dont balance dead food diets like the AD with substantial live nutrients are gonna get heaps more troubles then the flu. Not to mention acid wear to teeth from lack of alkalising foods. This is why the Dr pushes the supps so hard… there is a lot extra we must make sure we get.
imo -on this diet, i’d rather miss a meal or a protein shake than my daily serve of wheatgrass. The same goes for 250ml of fresh pressed celery and parsley juice. The real potent, organic stuff (not juice bar crap) It’s like drinking liquid oxygen. 1 shot equiv to 1kg of green leafy-> Forget allergies, this stuff has cured cancer. 70%clorophyll… with something like 90% likeness to heamoglobin… dextoxifer… multivit… over20aminos… and you’re usually drinking it while its still alive… REAL vitality…
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I’m with you on the detox teas. I don’t know this from firsthand experience, but I do know of many jobs that were kept due to these teas among my friends:)
I totally forgot/neglected the fact that drinking vegetable juice is perfectly fine during the week on the AD, as long as you stay away from things like carrots which are full of sugar. But celery/parsley is one of my favorites, so I’m gonna go back to doing that. Thanks for reminding me.
As for the supplements, it’s funny (and good!) how opinions change over the years. I have the first AD book from Dr. DiPasquale from 1996, as well as the Anabolic Solution for Powerlifters, and I read them both. The bulk of it is a copy-and-paste job, which is a good thing, because it tells me that the ideas basically have not changed much. This is what makes the diet solid to me - just like not much has changed about loading a bunch of iron on a bar and lifting it. But there are some modifications in the new AD book, and a much of it has to do with supplements. For instance, in the 1996 book, Dr. DiPasquale is very skeptical about herb-based testosterone boosters, saying that basically herbal test boosters are all about the placebo. Now, one of the supplements he sells is TestoBoost - in which a major ingredient is, guess what? Tribulus terrestis. In addition to hormone supporting vitamins and minerals of course.
On the AD, ironically I’m eating a lot more vegetables than I ever did during the week, so I believe it is a better way for me to live.
I don’t doubt natural medicine at all. I just doubt detox teas. Not the same thing and if you look, I agreed that rotating foods is probably a good idea. It’s just hrd if you’re trying to get big, especially on a budget.
The detox teas get roped in the same category for me as coffee enemas. Does itm aybe help stimulate bile or something? I don’t know, maybe, but even if it does, it’s not going to help “detox” the things in my body I’m really woried about: plastic and heavy metals.
The best way to detox is to just get leaner, so you get all those non-polar toxins out of your fat cells.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Do any of you take Spike on low-carb days??..does it have any carbs??[/quote]
No.
Regarding dropping fat and increasing protein on the AD:
Personally, I do the exact opposite. The AD is a protein sparing diet, so I think protein can always be held a bit lower regardless of what goal one is pursuing.
Also, there needs to be a dominant macronutrient other than protein when cutting so that protein is not converted to glucose and used as a primary energy source. I understand where Dr. D is coming from, but if calories are low you’re going to lose fat.
Personal experience also dictates that fat should always be held higher than protein. I keep protein at right around 1 gram per pound of bodyweight and use fat to fill out the rest of the calories I need. I certainly haven’t lost any muscle. In fact, I’ve seen better gains keeping protein low. I’m just speculating, but I think it’s due to the fact that having fat as the dominant macronutrient is sparing protein from being converted to glucose. Therefore, it’s actually being utilized for protein synthesis (which is what we want it to be used for).
I should note that calories are held at submaintenance levels during my PRO/Fat days. I have a one day refeed of unlimited calories and have recently added a midweek refeed to keep energy levels high the last couple of days at the gym. Bodyfat is still decreasing while strength is steadily increasing. Hypertophy is not the primary goal, but I have seen a little bit of growth (which is a bonus).
-Zed
Ahg, is there anyway to make sure I’ve shifted? I stayed under 30g of carbs for the 12 days and took in a bunch of fat and protein, I don’t think I had a distinct crash… My carb up (last weekend) was pretty crappy, and 48 hours, I’ve stayed under 30g all this week for carbs. I kinda feel like my mind is clearer even on too little sleep. I also don’t feel like I have the typical dip in energy I get around 3 when I don’t get enough sleep.
What worries me is that I have done about no training, I know I’m a bad bad boy, but I’ve honestly been too lazy, or if I want to make excuses I’ve been stressed and not sleeping enough. Will my body have been depleted? This carb up is only gonna be tomorrow evening through saturday night, it will also be cleaner, and fewer carbs. Tomorrow, Saturday and next week I promise I will be training…
[quote]MissaJC324 wrote:
EAT YOUR CARBS ON CARB DAY! I don’t want to screw up my schedule any more than I have, so I’m going to tough it out until this coming Sunday for my usual reload. Good luck to me… I’m going to need an IV inserted to fill my veins with caffeine!!
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I found this in another forum by Christian Thib(sp?)- helped me finally understand weekend carbups (which is saying something, LOL, cos I’ve read almost the whole AD thread)
"The human body stores around 400-500g of carbs in the muscles. But understand that a ketogenic state is glycogen sparing. This means that when your body is adapted to ketosis (not transient ketosis like with the AD since it takes you 3 days after the carb-up to get back into ketosis) it will not rely on muscle glycogen primarily for fuel. So even if you consume no carbs all week, you are still not fully depleting your glycogen stores and a 150-200g carbs intake once a week is enough to maintain glycogen stores almost full.
The secret is that for this to apply you MUST be in a long-term ketogenic state not a transient one.
With the AD it takes you 2-3 days to establish ketosis and you carb-up for 2 days. So best case scenario you are in a ketogenic state of 3 days a week (not even 50%) and more likely 2 days per week (around 30%!). This state is not glycogen-sparing and you thus NEED the intense carb-up. BUT the intense carb-ups are actually the CAUSE for the absence of a glycogen-sparing state!!!
Re protein increase and reducing fat-
What you are saying makes sense. I think that I am going to go back to eating about 52-55% fat. I was feeling better in terms of energy and strength till I dropped fat so low. After that, I have felt like crap most of this week.
When you say calories at “submaintenance level” what do you mean? In terms of BW? I like the idea of doing an unlimited refeed one day a week because then I can eat as much indian food (for which no one seems to have calorie counts)as I want.
I have posted and asked this question several times adn would really really appreciate some HELP with this- I am losing weight, have lost about 5 lbs so far in a month on the AD. BUT, there has been no change in my measurements. Why is that? What am I doing wrong? I’d appreciate any input.
HOLY CRAP! After a year of low carb dieting…I just got blood work done, and my cholesterol is at 410… 
Your profile picture is upside down.
[quote]CJK wrote:
Your profile picture is upside down. [/quote]
I blame the cholesterol. 
I have read the AD book, and many pages (not all) of this thread.
From the sample meal plan in the book, it looks like the carb-day meals should total the same target calories as the high fat/pro days. I’m curious to know why some are going much higher on their carb days. Does that really improve the overall diet?
Also, I’ve seen some allusion to alkaline-acid balance. I have been having a V8 and some raw spinach as part of my minimal carbs. Actually, I consume that stuff daily, because I want to be sure to maintain the balance. Are there AD vets doing the same?
This is a great thread. Maybe someday I will have caught up on all the posts.
bigdawg,
In the book, one can use the weekend to “make up” for any low calorie days. Dr. D says one can aim for total calories consumed in a week, instead of per day (like every other diet is based around). He said spikes in calories throughout the week can be good.
Also, I do high calorie weekends just to shock my body. I’m trying to gain as much as possible without getting sick LOL!
As for the alkaline-acid balance, I’m surprised to say that I’ve never really seen that mentioned before. Hmmmm… Oh well. I eat 2 cups of spinach per day so I might be okay. LOL! Maybe that’s why sometimes I just don’t feel like eating any food, yet feel hungry. Weird.
[quote]Tor Tor wrote:
CJK wrote:
Your profile picture is upside down.
I blame the cholesterol.
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What the hell are you eating? Have you been subsisting on ranch dressing and pepperoni?
[quote]conorh wrote:
Tor Tor wrote:
CJK wrote:
Your profile picture is upside down.
I blame the cholesterol.
What the hell are you eating? Have you been subsisting on ranch dressing and pepperoni? [/quote]
Natural PB, Omega-3 eggs, fish oil, evening primrose oil, coconut oil, and olive oil, and pure dark chocolate (once or twice a month on average). Barely any red meat. As far as fat goes…that’s it.
Genetics might be playing a factor.
Here’s what I’m going to try doing…
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No more egg yolks. I eat A LOT of eggs. So this could actually be the main culprit. We’ll see.
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Protein/Veggies/piece of fruit on the 2 days a week I don’t workout. But I’ll include 8-12 caps of Flameout. Since I’m finishing up my cutting, these two low cal days shouldn’t be that big of a deal. Then as I transition into a muscle building phase, I’ll just add in clean carbs without as much fat intake as I’ve previously done in the past.
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On carb up day keep the fat low.
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Limit my fat intake to fish oil, olive oil, evening primrose oil, and some coconut oil. The majority would come from fish oil.
I’ll see where that gets me in a month when I get tested again. If that doesn’t help, well…I don’t know what to do then. I’ve never dealt with this before. Well actually…I had a high cholesterol when I was a young fat kid, but I didn’t care at the time.
I’ll have to research around. If anyone has any advice, feel free to give it to me.
[quote]conorh wrote:
I don’t doubt natural medicine at all. I just doubt detox teas. Not the same thing and if you look, I agreed that rotating foods is probably a good idea. It’s just hrd if you’re trying to get big, especially on a budget.
The detox teas get roped in the same category for me as coffee enemas. Does itm aybe help stimulate bile or something? I don’t know, maybe, but even if it does, it’s not going to help “detox” the things in my body I’m really woried about: plastic and heavy metals.
The best way to detox is to just get leaner, so you get all those non-polar toxins out of your fat cells.[/quote]
Apologies for my tone. just wanna share, and help ppl get big and healthy.
Something that may interest those who are cautious of heavy metals/toxins etc is ‘Zeolite’. Its a mineral capable of swapping parts of itself for junk inside the body Zeolite - Wikipedia
A good mate cured his chronic fatigue, and puts it down to cleaning his system with this stuff.
Then again, sprouts have major tonifying efects on the liver, kidneys etc. Anything that still living. Mmmm… pondslime:)
On the cheap-> I still try to rotate through various budget meat stores… and even cheap tuna and chicken will vary in its source from store to store.
P.S veggie juices have more concentrated carb levels- which can be hard to measure- cos youv knocked out all the fibre-> but sometimes I just juice broccoli and cabbage too- though I hold the breath while I drink it-lol
Any of you taking HOT-ROX???..has it made a difference??..is it Ad friendly??