I just opened a random copy of Powerlifting USA, as I often do, and read one of Dr. DiPasquale’s older articles - and BAM - he addresses the exact question I had.
I will paraphrase here:
A reader asked him how come he counts eggs as “0 carbs” etc - and I have the same question with vegetables - how can I possibly NOT exceed the 30g per day with just vegetables alone.
Dr. DiPasquale replied that there is no such thing as a “0 carb” food item, but for the sake of making the diet simpler, he basically ignores the sub-gram carbs of foods. He wrote that the “30g” daily limit for the initial phase was designed with a +/- 10 gram tolerance for this reason (simplicity), so unless someone eats multiple dozens of eggs per day, there will be no problem with exceeding the limit.
Just thought that you all would like to know.
In my case, I know I go over the 30 grams by a few grams.
What I’m finding out is that I don’t “crave” carbs, but I do miss eating fruit every day. I was at a party last night and there was a huge basket of fruit, and I had to walk away. That sucked. I miss the fruit more than I missed a beer or 2.
My girlfriend asked me what the f*#k is wrong with me that I’m not allowed to eat fruit…
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
just wondering why you’re asking about the cuttin phase??..at 140lbs you surely don’t want to cut!!![/quote]
I agree. Why would anyone want to cut at 140 pounds?
[quote]George700dl wrote:
I just opened a random copy of Powerlifting USA, as I often do, and read one of Dr. DiPasquale’s older articles - and BAM - he addresses the exact question I had.
I will paraphrase here:
A reader asked him how come he counts eggs as “0 carbs” etc - and I have the same question with vegetables - how can I possibly NOT exceed the 30g per day with just vegetables alone.
Dr. DiPasquale replied that there is no such thing as a “0 carb” food item, but for the sake of making the diet simpler, he basically ignores the sub-gram carbs of foods. He wrote that the “30g” daily limit for the initial phase was designed with a +/- 10 gram tolerance for this reason (simplicity), so unless someone eats multiple dozens of eggs per day, there will be no problem with exceeding the limit.
Just thought that you all would like to know.
In my case, I know I go over the 30 grams by a few grams.
What I’m finding out is that I don’t “crave” carbs, but I do miss eating fruit every day. I was at a party last night and there was a huge basket of fruit, and I had to walk away. That sucked. I miss the fruit more than I missed a beer or 2.
My girlfriend asked me what the f*#k is wrong with me that I’m not allowed to eat fruit…
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Nice find! Also, if someone is eating like 3500+ calories, it would be pretty hard to keep the carbs below 30g so its refreshing to hear this.
Nice find! Also, if someone is eating like 3500+ calories, it would be pretty hard to keep the carbs below 30g so its refreshing to hear this.
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That is me exactly. In fact, I’m supposed to be eating 4500 cals per day right now during the 12 days, and I KNOW I’m not hitting that number. I supplement a lot with olive oil - today I basically dumped about 6oz into my protein shake, in order to up the calories. I just had a 16 oz NY strip, and if I can I’ll gulp down another one before I go to sleep tonight. A piece of broccoli here, some celery sticks there, those carbs do add up.
But I do miss them fruits…that is one thing that I don’t like about this diet. We’ll see.
[quote]George700dl wrote:
That is me exactly. In fact, I’m supposed to be eating 4500 cals per day right now during the 12 days, and I KNOW I’m not hitting that number. I supplement a lot with olive oil - today I basically dumped about 6oz into my protein shake, in order to up the calories. I just had a 16 oz NY strip, and if I can I’ll gulp down another one before I go to sleep tonight. A piece of broccoli here, some celery sticks there, those carbs do add up.
But I do miss them fruits…that is one thing that I don’t like about this diet. We’ll see.
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I hear ya on the olive oil. That is one of my main fat sources along with cheese and fish oil pills. Ground flax seed is also a great fat/protein/fiber source. You get 4.5g of fat, 4g of carbs (all fiber), and 3g of protein.
Just curious, but do know that carbs that come from fiber don’t count towards the 30g of carbs? I eat Spinach as my main veggie and that has like 7g of carbs, but its all fiber.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
how do you all keep your calories on non-training days?[/quote]
I might lower them a little bit, but not much. On non-training days, your body is recovering and one still needs the calories. Also, I believe its harder to get fat on this diet than other diets so that is one reason why I don’t cut calories much on non-training days.
Just curious, but do know that carbs that come from fiber don’t count towards the 30g of carbs? I eat Spinach as my main veggie and that has like 7g of carbs, but its all fiber.
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Spinach is one of the few exceptions - yes, all fiber in that case. But other vegetables have some non-fiber carbs in them - broccoli, for example, has 4g of non-fiber carbs per 3 spears - and that does need to be counted. And 3 spears is NOTHING to me:) Same with cellery - I could eat an entire bag of it if I had the choice. But it has carbs as well.
I started anabolic diet three days ago . Do not ask why, I like experimenting. I did read the book very very quickly as I prefer to study for final exams instead so any help would be appreciated. The 2nd day of the induction, last night was a disaster and I did a huge carb load ( like 600-700 carbs) cause I felt lethargy and had a bloated face. I may do these carb loads but i never pass the 10% body fat (calipers) and I always have my abs showing. But when I actually diet , they are like sculpture.
First day i felt excellent, 2nd day all went bad as soon as i took those fat burners (MAN scorch)
So, I am planning of beginning my induction phase today again but my concerns are:
why did I have a bloated face (no fat increase)? Is it probably due to cortisol from increased caffeine consumption and low carbohydrate? As soon as I took carbohydrates the bloated face had gone! My creatine consumption was the same like i did in the past with no bloating, as well as sodium. I think it has something to do with cortisol. I even had this problem when i tried in the past to do fasted cardio with ephedrine ( imagine bloated face with that)
2)I think i can pretty drop weight without any stimulants. However I will need to gradually decrease my caffeine intake so that my withdrawal symptoms are diminished.
3) How about my carb intake…. Through the two days I only had celery and lettuce. My carb intake (added from nuts and maybe cottage cheese) was like er…12-13? … I thought everything below 30 was acceptable, but do i have to be near 30? Am i supposed to add a starch meal of 15-20 carbs?
Which supplements
a)Sesamin worked wonders in the past BUT = Extremely low libido which resulted from HIGH PROLACTIN Levels ( confirmed from my blood test analysis), also with reference back up. DROPPED IT and levels went back to normal.
b) Carnitine? I have posted few days ago references regarding carnitine being an antagonist of thyroid hormone therefore I do not want to risk it.
c)Creatine? I took CEE from here as I had never tried creatine in my life and no kidding my lifts went straight up. Naturally I lose easily water weight.
d) I have ephedrine tablets but these give me extreme headache when I stop them. So , no…
I had my first carb-up this weekend, and ended up getting really sick, like something out of the exorcist. Anyone else experience this? Is this normal for the first load-in? I ended up getting my carbs from slowly chewing on bread and eating more peanuts. I just don’t want this to be a recurring experience.
I started anabolic diet three days ago . Do not ask why, I like experimenting. I did read the book very very quickly as I prefer to study for final exams instead so any help would be appreciated. The 2nd day of the induction, last night was a disaster and I did a huge carb load ( like 600-700 carbs) cause I felt lethargy and had a bloated face. I may do these carb loads but i never pass the 10% body fat (calipers) and I always have my abs showing. But when I actually diet , they are like sculpture.
First day i felt excellent, 2nd day all went bad as soon as i took those fat burners (MAN scorch)
So, I am planning of beginning my induction phase today again but my concerns are:
why did I have a bloated face (no fat increase)? Is it probably due to cortisol from increased caffeine consumption and low carbohydrate? As soon as I took carbohydrates the bloated face had gone! My creatine consumption was the same like i did in the past with no bloating, as well as sodium. I think it has something to do with cortisol. I even had this problem when i tried in the past to do fasted cardio with ephedrine ( imagine bloated face with that)
2)I think i can pretty drop weight without any stimulants. However I will need to gradually decrease my caffeine intake so that my withdrawal symptoms are diminished.
3) How about my carb intake... Through the two days I only had celery and lettuce. My carb intake (added from nuts and maybe cottage cheese) was like er…12-13? … I thought everything below 30 was acceptable, but do i have to be near 30? Am i supposed to add a starch meal of 15-20 carbs?
Which supplements
a)Sesamin worked wonders in the past BUT = Extremely low libido which resulted from HIGH PROLACTIN Levels ( confirmed from my blood test analysis), also with reference back up. DROPPED IT and levels went back to normal.
b) Carnitine? I have posted few days ago references regarding carnitine being an antagonist of thyroid hormone therefore I do not want to risk it.
c)Creatine? I took CEE from here as I had never tried creatine in my life and no kidding my lifts went straight up. Naturally I lose easily water weight.
d) I have ephedrine tablets but these give me extreme headache when I stop them. So , no…
Nicos
BSc Sport and Exercise Science
University of Essex[/quote]
That’s a very fancy signature.
what’s the point of this post? you did the diet for 36 hours and didn’t like the results? forget about the supplements. if you’re going to do the diet, do the diet for an appreciable amount of time before worrying about your puffy face.
I got a quick question for all the long time AD diet users.
If I was to eat some wraps, that contain 14g of fiber, but 17g of carbs total, would that mean that it contains 3g of carbs? Do I subtract the fiber?
[quote]chrispwns wrote:
I got a quick question for all the long time AD diet users.
If I was to eat some wraps, that contain 14g of fiber, but 17g of carbs total, would that mean that it contains 3g of carbs? Do I subtract the fiber?
[quote]chrispwns wrote:
I got a quick question for all the long time AD diet users.
If I was to eat some wraps, that contain 14g of fiber, but 17g of carbs total, would that mean that it contains 3g of carbs? Do I subtract the fiber?
so ive worked my way up from 2100 to 3000…and my weight hasnt moved any (besides water gain and loss via carb up) but i dont mind i just wanna see wanna gain mass…i feel i should be bigger…currently at 175lbs 5’10"
been on this diet for a few weeks now and have noticed good results so far. i am never hungry during my low carb days even when i sometimes eat below what i should be eating.my one worry though is that my lips often go very very red:) honestly it looks like i have been putting on lipstick not so bad until you couple that with the fact that they sting alot as well.
i drink lots and lots of water so its not that i am dry or anything just it always happens. sometimes i have been breaking out into cold sores as a direct response to my lips being red and stingy. has anyone else experienced this? i dont take a vitamin pill could i be lacking in vitamins?
[quote]darwin420 wrote:
I had my first carb-up this weekend, and ended up getting really sick, like something out of the exorcist. Anyone else experience this? Is this normal for the first load-in? I ended up getting my carbs from slowly chewing on bread and eating more peanuts. I just don’t want this to be a recurring experience.
Thanks![/quote]
My body never responded well to eating lots of bread. Although, from what I remember, my first carb up hit me pretty hard. Maybe try brown rice next time??? How much bread and how many peanuts did you eat?
[quote]Norvegicus wrote:
been on this diet for a few weeks now and have noticed good results so far. i am never hungry during my low carb days even when i sometimes eat below what i should be eating.my one worry though is that my lips often go very very red:) honestly it looks like i have been putting on lipstick not so bad until you couple that with the fact that they sting alot as well.
i drink lots and lots of water so its not that i am dry or anything just it always happens. sometimes i have been breaking out into cold sores as a direct response to my lips being red and stingy. has anyone else experienced this? i dont take a vitamin pill could i be lacking in vitamins?[/quote]
This has happened to me but mine got better. Although, it could of been the weather. I just put vaseline on my lips before I go to bed and when I get up (after breakfast of course). But, I’ve never had it so bad that I need vaseline on my lips 24/7.
[quote]kasabian19 wrote:
Few qu’s (first one v daft)
Do you consider minced beef as good as steak?
Could you (anyone) list the total grammes fat and protein your having a day.
Whats the highest fat% possible to go? 65 70?
Im 6’0 140lbs and around 8% bodyfat lookin to bulk and have research the AD throroughly wanting to give it a go!
So…140 x 18 = 2520/100 = 25.2
FAT = 25.2 x 60 = 1512/9 = 168g
PROTEIN: 25.2 X 35 = 882/4 = 220G
Diet planned at the moment:
Per day - 9 whole eggs
300g mince
100g bacon
3 slices corned beef
100ml whipping cream
75ml full fat mayo
20-30ml olive oil
30-50g whey (in whipping cream)
Brocolli + spincach
Plus multi-vit and omega 3’s 6g per day = 1g EPA & DHA per day
Works out at around 200g Fat, 210g protein and around 25g carbs - the fat seems a little high? Around 40g too much?
Seem ok? Any pointers?
Thanks.
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I keep my fat grams just a little bit under my protein grams. So if I have 60g of protein per meal, I’ll have about 50g of fat. During the Adapation Phase, you want your fat grams up there with your protein. You don’t want to cut it low. I would keep the fat calories at 60-65%.
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
kasabian19 wrote:
Few qu’s (first one v daft)
Do you consider minced beef as good as steak?
Could you (anyone) list the total grammes fat and protein your having a day.
Whats the highest fat% possible to go? 65 70?
Im 6’0 140lbs and around 8% bodyfat lookin to bulk and have research the AD throroughly wanting to give it a go!
So…140 x 18 = 2520/100 = 25.2
FAT = 25.2 x 60 = 1512/9 = 168g
PROTEIN: 25.2 X 35 = 882/4 = 220G
Diet planned at the moment:
Per day - 9 whole eggs
300g mince
100g bacon
3 slices corned beef
100ml whipping cream
75ml full fat mayo
20-30ml olive oil
30-50g whey (in whipping cream)
Brocolli + spincach
Plus multi-vit and omega 3’s 6g per day = 1g EPA & DHA per day
Works out at around 200g Fat, 210g protein and around 25g carbs - the fat seems a little high? Around 40g too much?
Seem ok? Any pointers?
Thanks.
I keep my fat grams just a little bit under my protein grams. So if I have 60g of protein per meal, I’ll have about 50g of fat. During the Adapation Phase, you want your fat grams up there with your protein. You don’t want to cut it low. I would keep the fat calories at 60-65%.
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Word. Definitely keep the fat high, House knows what he is talking about. I tend to err on the side of high protein and not enough fat. Bad me. When I do this I have less energy. Sometimes its hard to keep the fat high enough when you just want to eat meat all the time, but throw back that olive oil/flax seed oil/peanut butter/cheese/cream etc.
What helps me too is I take like 30-40 daily grams of fish oil as well.