Could someone kinda give me the low down on the changes that are made to the anabolic diet to turn it into the metabolic diet?
If I followed the anabolic diet I would have to eat soo many calories considering my BW is above 250…
I would like to get an abridged version on how the two are different so I can try the metabolic diet…
Pugs
heres a quick AD recipe if you are craving something chocolately.
1 scoop chocolate protein powder
1 whole egg
a bit of water
mix together
fry in pan with butter
top with full fat whipping cream. you can mix it with sugar free jello. fuck sugar.
Pugsley,
The first diet that Doc D came up with was the AD. Then he tried to follow the market and created Anabolic Solution (For PLs and BBs) and Metabolic diet. Basically, AS is the same as AD, but in this version Doc recommends a longer induction phase, lowering calories from fats on the cutting phase and he also ‘recommends’ a lot of supplements in this version of the book. The former is targeted towards athletes and the latter is more for general public with less restrictions.
What is your bodyfat %%? If it is too high, you may start on the lower end of caloric recommendations.
Fatcat - sounds nice. Wouldn’t protein powder deteriorate because of frying? Just curious.
I am intrested if anybody has tried cutting as per NHE recommendations? E.g. - don’t count calories, two carb-load meals per week etc… I am in the middle of reading NHE now and it seems that there are now recommendations for macros and calories. The only thing that Rob recommends is to eat <20g carbs per day and eat meat/eggs/cheese and the like without paying attention to the macros. Just go with the hunger.
how does the AS differ in its calorie macro breakdown? I have at least 50-60lbs to drop…
how does the AS differ in its calorie and macro breakdown? I have at least 50-60lbs to drop…
Pugsley, i haven’t read the whole AS or MD. Can’t say anything being 100% sure. Anyways, what i would suggest you is to start the 12 day induction phase even without counting calories. Just eat as much as you want. Well, i hope you are not suffering from bulimia. Eat so you are not hungry, don’t stuff yourself. If you know your maintenance level then stick to it. After 3-4 weeks of the diet start the cutting phase.
Reading the book and thread may be of help, BTW.
[quote]Zluke wrote:
Fatcat - sounds nice. Wouldn’t protein powder deteriorate because of frying? Just curious.[/quote]
This is largely myth, I have heard. Think about it, you are also frying the egg… the egg protein doesn’t denature. I was pretty excited to find that this wasn’t true because cooking with protein powder opens up a lot of possibilities!
[quote]Pugsley wrote:
how does the AS differ in its calorie and macro breakdown? I have at least 50-60lbs to drop…[/quote]
I agree with ZLuke. Just do the induction, eat to satisfaction, and then manipulate calories as you see fit. Eat enough protein, eat enough fat, but don’t freak out about getting a certain number times bodyweight. This is what I would do in my experience. To tell you the truth, I haven’t counted calories much in this diet. Start out eating, after a couple weeks if you have lost weight, keep going. If you have gained weight, eat a little less.
[quote]CJK wrote:
Zluke wrote:
Fatcat - sounds nice. Wouldn’t protein powder deteriorate because of frying? Just curious.
This is largely myth, I have heard. Think about it, you are also frying the egg… the egg protein doesn’t denature. I was pretty excited to find that this wasn’t true because cooking with protein powder opens up a lot of possibilities![/quote]
The nerd in me has to butt in here.
Think of protein as a long chain, with each link being an amino acid, that is tangled up and tied into a bunch of knots. When you denature protein you untangle it and untie the knots. Heat will do this. Imagine the proteins in the egg as being coiled into tiny balls that can slip and slide past each other. Now when you heat it, the balls uncoil into strings and trhen reattach to each other, rendering the egg solid.
Acids will also denature protein, like IN YOUR STOMACH. Think about it - any protein you eat is denatured in your stomach. So when you denature it through cooking, all you’re doing is a process that needs to be done anyway. Since your body can only absorb individual amino acids (the individual links in the chain,) the idea that cooking and denaturing protein makes it less useful is bullshit.
No matter how much you breakdown protein outside the body, your digestive system will break it down even more.
Ok, I hope that makes sense. This idea that cooking protein powder makes it useless is one of my pet peeves.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
CJK wrote:
Zluke wrote:
Fatcat - sounds nice. Wouldn’t protein powder deteriorate because of frying? Just curious.
This is largely myth, I have heard. Think about it, you are also frying the egg… the egg protein doesn’t denature. I was pretty excited to find that this wasn’t true because cooking with protein powder opens up a lot of possibilities!
The nerd in me has to butt in here.
Think of protein as a long chain, with each link being an amino acid, that is tangled up and tied into a bunch of knots. When you denature protein you untangle it and untie the knots. Heat will do this. Imagine the proteins in the egg as being coiled into tiny balls that can slip and slide past each other. Now when you heat it, the balls uncoil into strings and trhen reattach to each other, rendering the egg solid.
Acids will also denature protein, like IN YOUR STOMACH. Think about it - any protein you eat is denatured in your stomach. So when you denature it through cooking, all you’re doing is a process that needs to be done anyway. Since your body can only absorb individual amino acids (the individual links in the chain,) the idea that cooking and denaturing protein makes it less useful is bullshit.
No matter how much you breakdown protein outside the body, your digestive system will break it down even more.
Ok, I hope that makes sense. This idea that cooking protein powder makes it useless is one of my pet peeves. [/quote]
Ah. So I only got it half right! Thanks for the breakdown, that’s very helpful. Somehow I missed all of this in biology. Do you know how this myth started? I feel like a lot of people believe it still.
I’ve been doing a lot of work with microbe metabolism lately, so mentally I’m balls deep into nutrient breakdown. That post was actually longer, but I realized that most people wouldn’t really care about which enzymes do what.
Honestly, I think it started with some supplement companies. I still see ads when they say that since a protein is denatures, it’s not “100% biologically active.” Like that means shit.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
I’ve been doing a lot of work with microbe metabolism lately, so mentally I’m balls deep into nutrient breakdown. That post was actually longer, but I realized that most people wouldn’t really care about which enzymes do what.
Honestly, I think it started with some supplement companies. I still see ads when they say that since a protein is denatures, it’s not “100% biologically active.” Like that means shit.[/quote]
hmm im majoring in physical therapy right now and also dabbling in nutrition, to get a one up on the other physical therapists, and i was wondering if you wouldnt ind sharing some knowledge if you wouldnt mind of course
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
hmm im majoring in physical therapy right now and also dabbling in nutrition, to get a one up on the other physical therapists, and i was wondering if you wouldnt ind sharing some knowledge if you wouldnt mind of course[/quote]
Sure. Umm . . like what?
CJK, Your provide the room and i’ll provide the Metabolic Drive/ HRX, just puch me in the direction of a decent job… and of course, a real US training facility.
I like the way your training shedule look btw.
thinking of doing some trap, grip and abs work at the gym in a bit with maybe some speed work thrown in (hang cleans etc)
good recipe -
chilli and ginger salmon
fry chilli and ginger
add salmon strips
fry for 1min
add white wine vinegar
fry for 1 min
serve on a green salad
spinach and walnut soup
steam spinach
boil water
add spinach, chopped walnuts, chives and basil to blender with water
blend
whilst blending add walnut oil and black pepper
chilli and garlic brocolli stirfry
red chilli’s and clove garlic, fry 1-2mins
add brocolli, cabbage and red pepper, fry for 1-2mins
add balsamic vinegar and soy sauce, fry for 30 secs
remove to plate and dress with toasted sesame oil
enjoy
p.s anyone got any plans tonight?
Just got back from the gym
Pwo shake is the sh*T
Crushed ice
3 eggs
2 tbs whipping cream
15g whey
cinnamon, nutmeg
2 splenda tabs
mmmmmmmmmmm!!!
anywho!, the gym…
Powercleans 8,5,3,3,3
power shrugs 4x6
decline sit ups 8x 8-14
seated DB shrugs 4x 12-15
I then finished off with 2 400m rows for time 1.21min and 1.25min
I actually enjoy doing more CV type of work on the AD than on any other kind of diet. my energy levels are so much higher in the gym and i feel like i can go forever.
If people have been neglecting cardio or anytype of high intensity CV work because of the lack of carbs throughout the week, i highly recommend fueling up on some good old AD food and hitting the road/playing field/rower/KB’s etc and just finding out how effective the AD can be for less anaerobic training than heavy singles.
Many wrestlers have used the AD and to great success, anecdotally speaking of how much more energy they had through mates than on a high carb diet.
just my 0.02
[quote]fatcat wrote:
heres a quick AD recipe if you are craving something chocolately.
1 scoop chocolate protein powder
1 whole egg
a bit of water
mix together
fry in pan with butter
top with full fat whipping cream. you can mix it with sugar free jello. fuck sugar.[/quote]
Hmm… I make a similar thing but I add four tablespoons of flax, some cinnamon, and 1 tablespoon of oil. Makes one huge pancake for ~450 calories, a crapload of fiber, protein, and only like 3g of carbs. Tasty and very filling.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
hmm im majoring in physical therapy right now and also dabbling in nutrition, to get a one up on the other physical therapists, and i was wondering if you wouldnt ind sharing some knowledge if you wouldnt mind of course
Sure. Umm . . like what?[/quote]
eh whatever whenever the nerd in you strikes again and you wanna explain to someone why something works instead of just telling them it does
Hi guys!
It’s a carb up day and it seems that everything works just fine. Same weight on the scale, minus 1 cm on the waist, minus 1mm of caliper scale on the abs and i have 4500 calories to chow down today 
Since Biotest has their Flameout on backorder, i order some fish oil in liquid form - Ascenta NutraSea. Has anyone tried it so far? Any comments?