My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Does anyone take any supplements during carbing up? I don’t know if I eat too many or what (I don’t think that’s the case), but I seem to find it hard to “clear the stomach” out during the Saturday/Sunday carb up. I eat mostly organic milled flax seed spaghetti along with oatmeal for a lot of my carbs. Maybe I’ll leave the carb up to only one day. Although, after a 40 hour carb up, my bodyweight stayed the same and I didn’t feel bloated or anything.

I think I might be doomed to eating brown rice since I never had a problem eating that on a high carb diet in the past.

Any thoughts or help would be appreciated :slight_smile:

Im on about pg. 86 of this thread now…fantastic source of info…I have no idea what is going to be in the 300 posts to come but ill try and read as much as I can.Im into day 2.5 right now.Amazed at how i feel and am looking.Only question is, how is it to be eating 4-8 dorm cafeteria hamburger patties a day some with cheese. I feel fine and I don’t think there going to attribute to fat gains. Anybody in a similar predicament?

[quote]Lions Pride 21 wrote:
Im on about pg. 86 of this thread now…fantastic source of info…I have no idea what is going to be in the 300 posts to come but ill try and read as much as I can.Im into day 2.5 right now.Amazed at how i feel and am looking.Only question is, how is it to be eating 4-8 dorm cafeteria hamburger patties a day some with cheese. I feel fine and I don’t think there going to attribute to fat gains. Anybody in a similar predicament?[/quote]

I eat a ton of shitty bulk hamburger patties every day and I seem to be alright.

If you are on a tight budget, whey protein and olive oil are probably two of the cheapest protein and fats that you will find. Sunflower seeds without the shell are pretty cheap, also.

Whats going on with this thread!?

not even on the first page, let alone near the top.

We need to get some serious posting in.

meals
training sessions
weekend carb consumption
witty unadulterated banter

commence!

waking up and craving a 6 egg omlette with cheese and bacon and a good black coffee…

I second that, Ad B!

I shifted to 24hrs carb ups, calorie waving and week-end is my most calorie dense day (4500 on weekends vs 3200 on weekdays).

I had been gaining some fat along with muscle before 24hrs carb-ups. Don’t know if limiting carbing up to one day only will help. If it doesn’t, i will limit my carbs some more. I changed two variables at the same time: training program and carb-up. In terms of training: TBT rocks on this diet! After ABBH, i feel like i am really working out. I think my calorie demands are now increased because of a harder training program and it will put fat-gain to a minimum. Hell, it is strange that i gain this fat! I only weight 198lbs being 195cm tall, and weekly average of cals is 3350, which is only ~17 per pound of BW. And my goal right now is to gain muscle for following month. Well, let’s just see how it goes.


Has anyone tried Acetyl-L-Carnitine? Doc recommends it in the book, but he says nothing about the dosages.


BTW, anyone takes BCAAs peri-workout? I take 15g of BCAA and 25g of whey isolate. Is it possible, that by taking these types of protein, which are very fast to absorb, i produce a spike of insulin which is… detrimental? Or it’s ok to do so given there are no sugars in the blood? Just thoughts…

well i’ve certainly not dropped too much scale weight, slight change in waist measurement, strength is very good, recovery is good thanks to fish oil and protein, training primarily DC style (rest paused etc). Have only used the longer full weekend carbup so far, I think I may drop that to one 24 hour one on the Sunday, otherwise keeping it pretty consistent…only using whey protein as a supplement, no others including creatine etc… keeping it real simple for now.
loving the bacon and eggs for breakfast, the cream in my whey protein shakes and the burgers with cheese minus the buns :slight_smile: also eating a few nuts and using flaxseed oil in place of cream, and taking 3 fish oil caps with each meal.
thats about me for now.

[quote]Zluke wrote:
Has anyone tried Acetyl-L-Carnitine? Doc recommends it in the book, but he says nothing about the dosages.[/quote]

I’d take 3 grams minimum, but you could go higher is you keep noticing improved effects.

Our blood sugar balance is much more complicated that just carbs and insulin. Protein will stimulate insulin as much as carbs will. However, since insulin is indiscriminate is shuttles the amminos and any existing blood sugar away. However, unlike carbs, protein consumption does not inhibit glucagon, which breaks down fats. If it did, then your blood sugar would drop too low and you’d die. Carbs shut down glucagon because your body is trying to lower its blood sugar so dumping more sugar in the blood is counterproductive.

So in reality with a high protein diet you will be continually stimulating insulin, but glucagon will be active simutaniously so the fat burning process keeps chugging along.

Brant_Drake,

Hm, nice statement about insulin/glucagon. I started reading Rob Faigin’s NHE and he speaks about it as well.

Regarding ALCAR - i take 3 grams first thing in the morning with 5g taurine and 3g more prior to my second PWO meal which is in the midday. In one of the interviews, Poliquin was speaking about 7g dosage. Maybe, i should up it a bit?

I haven’t read NHE but I keep meaning to.

I like Acetyl-L-Carnitine and when I took it I took 5g, at which point I noticed a bigger difference than 3g. I never tried any higher doses, because fucking GNC sells 60 500 mg capsules for $30. $30 for 6 day’s worth of product is not budget friendly for me, but if I could, I think the benefits are worth it.

Good to see you posting in hear again Brant_drake

How is the AD been treating you?

Zluke, with the 24 hour carb up… just monitor your progress now and see what gains (muscle or fat) come from now.

Im also in the midst of changing my training to sessions focusing on strength in the main lifts and a few workouts designed around (dare i say it), crossfit.

yesterday was a squat workout, working up to a max. 1 set of 20 rep squats and 3x8-10 RDL with heavy abdominal work at the end

today im thinking of doing some light overhead squats and DB swings to help with recovery

Has anyone had any experience with a good strength program with some conditioning style weight sessions thrown in? if so post up

Hey guys,

Day 4.5 and i’m feeling great. I’ve read over 100 pages of this thread so far, starting from the beginning and we need to keep it alive. Anyways, this saturday will only be day 9 for me but I was planning on starting my carb up anyways because I have my cousins wedding to go to on Sunday night which will inevitably end up being a carb party (Italian wedding baby!). For you veterans, do you advise I low carb on Saturday and do a 24 hour carb up on Sunday and resume the diet on monday to ensure I become fat adapted?

Thanks Ad B, the AD’s going great.

Hmm, I might as well toss out some dietary ideas I’ve been playing around with, just to get the thread moving again.

I’m scheduled to try to summit Denali in June, so most of my training has been shifted towards loosing fat and improving endurance while maintaining strength. So, here in no particular order are some tidbits.

1.) Remember that article from Thib and Shugart about leaning up for a photo shoot? Re-read the carb up day and how it’s fruit → complex carbs → simple carbs. I’ve been suprised how well this works, especially in terms of energy and less bloat/slugish feeling for a 24 hour carb up. I haven’t tried this for 48 hours, so I don’t know how that would work.

2.) Trading out a couple of your meals for 10g BCAA and 5g creatine (ala Get Shredded diet)during the week makes a noticeable difference with fat loss.

3.) Flavored mayonnaises are fantastic. Try chopped arugula, orange zest, and slivered almonds. Or thyme, anchovies, capers, parsley, salt, and pepper. Or fennel, garlic, roasted jarred red peppers, paprika, and saffron. Experiment.

You know, I have something like 1000+ AD recipes I’ve compiled now. I might post them if people are interested.

4.) If you have an off/cardio day, go for a 20 minute run in the morning, do some swim sprints that afternoon, and do a steady state bike ride in the evening. I call these my triathlon days. If done right, these are great for fat loss and recovery. If you do an upper/lower split, it’s really easy to fit this in.

5.) I’ve begun taking tyrosine in the morning and tryptophan at night, based off of Frank’s Zane suggestions. I like the results so far, so if you have trouble sleeping, try these. Also, if you get night sweats, cut down on fat intake before bed.

That’s it for now. If anyone is interested in mountain training, I can post my workouts and diet as well.

anyone got a link for that artcile by Thib and Shugart? that’s something I’d like to read…

Awesome post Brant.

  1. I may try that, the bloat is something i suffer from quite alot on the carb ups. i like to keep them to one full day as i start to ‘smooth’ out pretty quickly. i mainly use it as a day to get lots of vits, minerals and antioxidants from fruit and veg, and other natural carbs.

whats your take on consuming the bulk of your carbs from fruit sources on the weekends, i remember one of the contributors (probs Barr) speaking about an all fruit carb up a while back.

  1. i had great success with Berardi’s get shredded diet using those bcca creatine meals, i think its a great idea if someone is trying to lose body fat.

  2. Mayonnaise compliments any food! a great way of getting in the olive oil if you make it yourself. I love garlic and hear mayo. lovin the idea of anchovies and thyme

  3. I think alot of people coward away from cardio and other endurance style training on the AD because they think they dont have the fuel to accomodate it. its great for fat loss/ recovery/ energy. I always feel much more energetic after doing some type of exercise on the AD.

5)never used tryptophan but do use tyrosine sometimes on intense workouts, awesome neurotransmitter stimulant

P.S Recipes are always welcome! The more extravegant and creative the better

I may have to post some later aswell

Never thought of making Mayo myself. Have just watched a few how-to videos and it is really simple! Plus, i can make it low-carb by not-adding sugar. A nice piece of info, really! :slight_smile:

About cardio - i think i will add two running sessions in the morning and one swimming session on the carb up.

Does anybody use Greens products? Seems like a nice addition to AD, since we don’t really eat so much veggies and fruits especially. Well, i do eat veggies with each meal, but i try to find those which have the least net-carbs amount and mostly are fiber.

I have an unopened can of Balanced Green Plus MSM, but i don’t know how many carbs are in there. I tried enquiring the manufacturer on this topic, but i still have no answer from them.

BTW, training-wise, here is my TBT program:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/jumpLast.do?id=2029013

Hey guys,

Day 4.5 and i’m feeling great. I’ve read over 100 pages of this thread so far, starting from the beginning and we need to keep it alive. Anyways, this saturday will only be day 9 for me but I was planning on starting my carb up anyways because I have my cousins wedding to go to on Sunday night which will inevitably end up being a carb party (Italian wedding baby!). For you veterans, do you advise I low carb on Saturday and do a 24 hour carb up on Sunday and resume the diet on monday to ensure I become fat adapted?

Repost…anyone have suggestions???

[quote]Matt007 wrote:
anyone got a link for that artcile by Thib and Shugart? that’s something I’d like to read…
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http://www.T-Nation.com/article/bodybuilding/shredded_in_6_days&cr=

There ya’ go. Since this is not about shedding water, I don’t play with water intake, and usually eat around 100-125g carbs per meal.

However, as you get leaner it would be very east to work this in one week.