My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

[quote]mozhne wrote:
toddjacobs13 wrote:
Hey DH,

How does approaching an off week of training affect your weekend carb up?  Do you pretty much hang on to your glycogen load until the next weekend during your off weeks?

Todd

Hey Todd,

Not DH here (there is only 1!) but do you mean does the body hold on to the glyc load or do you mean do you wait to load the following weekend if you miss a weeks training? BTW that was some great info you posted a few posts back. Personally, I go 5-2 no matter if I’m lifting wts. or lifting cold drinks in the shade. It seems to me that the load pumps me up just from eating.

While I rarely miss workouts things do come up but this diet is so good that I would stick with 5-2 no matter what. The AD is so forgiving. Last night we had a work dinner/mtg. Deep fried everything and well I just dug in. Today= Tight and right! Sometimes that mid week carb spike is the ticket. When a birthday party comes up, have the cake. You will find that your body will come right back.

Hey Chuck, Cheer them Broncos on! Maybe they can beat up on some more teams this year.

Keep up the good work, Barry
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Barry and DH,

 I appreciate the feedback.  I will proceed as normal with my carb load this weekend.  I was probably getting a little bit into the weeds with that question, so thanks for your patience!

Todd

[quote]BookemD wrote:
Charles Atlas wrote:
mozhne wrote:
toddjacobs13 wrote:
Hey DH,

Hey Chuck, Cheer them Broncos on! Maybe they can beat up on some more teams this year.

Keep up the good work, Barry

Hey man, I’ll do what I can, they only give us lowly students one free ticket for the shit seats. After that they let you buy up to two guest tickets. What a deal huh?

Seriously though, it would be impossible to go here and not see at least some of their home games. It’s a good time.
-CA

Hey guys. Do you think your energy will be better spent chomping on some steak watching a Pats or Colts game instead of worrying about whether the Broncs can win 6 this year?

Seriously though, I think the Broncs can make the playoffs again this year. They will probably sign Maurice for 3 or 4 years and if Plummer has a similar year (minus the INT’s) to last year they should be fine. Especially if the whole team goes on the AD. :wink:

That said, go Pats and Colts!

-BD[/quote]

Naw man, the Boise State Broncos, college team. Although I do remember seeing Jake the Snake play when I was in elementary school. That was when an endzone ticket cost $5, I think before Boise State joined the WAC.

Just to update everybody, (and keep this sweet thread goin’), I’m still not feeling as good as I think I should, so still tweaking the diet to get where I wanna be. This last weekend, I tried a 48hr carb-up, and it really made no difference this week. Gotta go.

Yep, another post from me. I’m off work this week, what can I say?

A couple of questions, seeming as how I still can’t quite get this thing down. Is it necessary to “crash” on the weekends, I think one of my problems may be that I’m not cramming down enough carbs during the load. I realized today that I haven’t yet crashed on the weekend carb load, as many others have. Do y’all think it might be a good idea to try to crash tommorow during my carb load?

On the other hand, it could be that I’m getting too many carbs already, and this is why I have yet to see the benefits of the diet. Perhaps some of you might be able to tell me, here are my “symptoms” ha ha ha:
-Haven’t had much energy since I started the diet.
-Even though this is true, I have set a few PR’s on some odd lifts, (e.g. a new personal best on calf raises, wierd huh?)
-I expect to feel a little down on Fridays, when I’m the most depleted, however I have consistantly felt better and tighter towards the end of the week.

So what do you guys think, am I getting too many carbs or too few? Should I load for less time, try to crash? Thanks for any advice.
-CA

[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
BookemD wrote:
Charles Atlas wrote:
mozhne wrote:
toddjacobs13 wrote:
Hey DH,

Hey Chuck, Cheer them Broncos on! Maybe they can beat up on some more teams this year.

Naw man, the Boise State Broncos, college team. Although I do remember seeing Jake the Snake play when I was in elementary school. That was when an endzone ticket cost $5, I think before Boise State joined the WAC.[/quote]

Great! Just when I thought I would rib a few fellers on this here thread, I stand here like a soaked kitten shivering from my own assumptions.

Before I get any more idears, I’ll be sure to know what I’m talkin about first.

Go Boise State!

-BD

Charles, have you tried the midweek carb spike that he suggests if you are feeling run down?

[quote]JohnnyChainsaw wrote:
Charles, have you tried the midweek carb spike that he suggests if you are feeling run down?[/quote]

No JC, I can’t say that I have. I’ve been trying to keep modifications to a minimum, but I may end up giving it a go if I absolutely can’t make it through the week. It isn’t that I’m dead tired, just a lack of the buzz and ramped-up energy that most everyone else has been experiencing. This is what leads me to believe that it might be to many carbs causing the problem. Thanks for the input, I appreciate it.
-CA.

Well tomorrow is my third carb-up weekend and so far things seem to be working.

As I mentioned before, I don’t get mood swings like I used to get on my carb rich diet. I’ve also noticed a mild improvement in body composition (despite a static body weight). But most significantly, my strength seems to improving at a similar rate to when I did a few MAG-10 sessions.

Personally, I can’t ever see myself going back to a more ‘normal’ diet, as the AD just works so well. Another significant benefit is that all the AD meals are calorie dense, so despite my limited appetite, I’m finding it really easy to pack away 4000k+ a day without really trying.

The hardest part I find is the weekends, all that milk and starch doesn not agree with my guts.

CA,
You DO NOT want to crash, man. That is counterproductive. If you crash then you’ve never fully adapted. Remember all the prior posts on adaptation? That is what you want. So what you don’t feel jacked. That doesn’t matter a lick. The PR’s and the scale weight does. Sometimes I feel a mean pump, and sometimes it’s mild. Just be confident that it works independent of any subjective feelings. Your only real measure is something that involves numbers not feelings. Ok?

Now as long as you are carbing for 36 hours and are getting at least 800g total for the full load then you’re cool.

Remember, the only true measure of anything in BB and PL is a numerical value. The rest if fluff and detail.

Now, if you want to play with it, just add some Vanadyl Sulfate (about 30-45mg divided with meals) during the load and use creatine monohydrate. This may satisfy any urge for better “feel”. I’ve always had good results with Vanadyl Ph.

best,
DH

JD,
If you are like me then just cut out the milk entirely and stick with the starches. Combining the lactose from milk with my loads just bloats my fingers and makes my gut feel like a rock.

Give it a try.

DH

[quote]Joe Daley wrote:
Well tomorrow is my third carb-up weekend and so far things seem to be working.

As I mentioned before, I don’t get mood swings like I used to get on my carb rich diet. I’ve also noticed a mild improvement in body composition (despite a static body weight). But most significantly, my strength seems to improving at a similar rate to when I did a few MAG-10 sessions.

Personally, I can’t ever see myself going back to a more ‘normal’ diet, as the AD just works so well. Another significant benefit is that all the AD meals are calorie dense, so despite my limited appetite, I’m finding it really easy to pack away 4000k+ a day without really trying.

The hardest part I find is the weekends, all that milk and starch doesn not agree with my guts.[/quote]

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
CA,
You DO NOT want to crash, man. That is counterproductive. If you crash then you’ve never fully adapted. Remember all the prior posts on adaptation? That is what you want. So what you don’t feel jacked. That doesn’t matter a lick. The PR’s and the scale weight does. Sometimes I feel a mean pump, and sometimes it’s mild. Just be confident that it works independent of any subjective feelings. Your only real measure is something that involves numbers not feelings. Ok?

Now as long as you are carbing for 36 hours and are getting at least 800g total for the full load then you’re cool.

Remember, the only true measure of anything in BB and PL is a numerical value. The rest if fluff and detail.

Now, if you want to play with it, just add some Vanadyl Sulfate (about 30-45mg divided with meals) during the load and use creatine monohydrate. This may satisfy any urge for better “feel”. I’ve always had good results with Vanadyl Ph.

best,
DH
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Thanks for bringing me back down to earth DH. I already use creatine monohydrate, I respond well to it. I’ll check out the Vanadyl Sulfate. I have been getting >800g. carbs during all of my loads, so I’ll just keep going how I’m going. Thanks again man, this was a good wake up call.

Right on, CA. ;-).

Head trips are a dime a dozen. Numbers never lie.

DH

Just checking in here. I haven’t posted on this thread lately, but so far so good. I have been on the AD for eight weeks now and the results so far are excellent. I am leaner than when I started and my bodyweight is a few pounds more. I have been cutting kcals all week leading up to today to make weight for a bench contest tomorrow. Thank god for twenty four hour weigh ins :wink: After I weighed in this evening I ate half a chicken, three sweet taters, and cole slaw with two 32 oz glasses of sweet tea. I just finished up a huge bowl of pasta with home made sauce and meatballs and a 32 oz gatorade, it’s almost time to call it a night. I should weigh about 210-215 tomorrow and I weighed in at 195 tonight. After my next meet in October I was thinking about moving up to the 220’s. How would I alter this diet for a cycle of anabolics? With all this talk about Superdrol, I was thinking about getting some before it’s too late. I am under the impression that I would just need to up my kcal and the easiest way to do that would be upping my fats. I know a lot of people say to up your carbs when on anabolics, but I am low carb for life, so that is not an option :slight_smile: Maybe some of you more experienced ADer’s could chime in and give your opinion on using this diet while cycling anabolics. I am proud to be a part of the best thread ever on the greatest website for all things heavy.

Joe

Keep the same cycle. Up your protein to about 2g/lb and increase your fats incrementally. Also, I’d think you could tolerate some serious caloric surplus on the loads as AAS improve insulin sensitivity (I believe). Basically more of the same. I’d keep my walnuts high for some GLA and make sure to be getting plenty of EPA and DHA too.

DH

[quote]Joebob wrote:
Just checking in here. I haven’t posted on this thread lately, but so far so good. I have been on the AD for eight weeks now and the results so far are excellent. I am leaner than when I started and my bodyweight is a few pounds more. I have been cutting kcals all week leading up to today to make weight for a bench contest tomorrow. Thank god for twenty four hour weigh ins :wink: After I weighed in this evening I ate half a chicken, three sweet taters, and cole slaw with two 32 oz glasses of sweet tea. I just finished up a huge bowl of pasta with home made sauce and meatballs and a 32 oz gatorade, it’s almost time to call it a night. I should weigh about 210-215 tomorrow and I weighed in at 195 tonight. After my next meet in October I was thinking about moving up to the 220’s. How would I alter this diet for a cycle of anabolics? With all this talk about Superdrol, I was thinking about getting some before it’s too late. I am under the impression that I would just need to up my kcal and the easiest way to do that would be upping my fats. I know a lot of people say to up your carbs when on anabolics, but I am low carb for life, so that is not an option :slight_smile: Maybe some of you more experienced ADer’s could chime in and give your opinion on using this diet while cycling anabolics. I am proud to be a part of the best thread ever on the greatest website for all things heavy.

Joe[/quote]

So here’s my dilemma…On my third carb up today, so I had my typical carb-up breakfast of a protein drink mixed with 3/4 cup of oats and some peanut butter. Then I went to play in a basketball tournament. Our team made it to the semi’s and I ended up playing 4 games total.

When I got home, I was sitting on the couch and every muscle in my legs cramped bad. First my hamstrings, and when I straightened my legs out my quads went and then my calves. I fell on the ground and could not get up for a half hour without cramping again.

My first thought was that it was fluid related, and maybe I didn’t get enough water during the tournament. But I consumed water every chance I got, I thought.

Maybe it’s due to basketball. I play every Sunday night, but half-court pick up games are a lot less tiring than full court tournament games.

My question is, could it be diet related? I’m actually taking the multi vitamin Dr. D. sells on his site. Any thoughts? Maybe it’s the water intake, and I just didn’t get as much as I thought. This has never happened to me and it sucks. As I type this, I’m holding my laptop and walking circles around my living room so my legs get blood pumping to them.

Time for me to chime in here.

I embarked on the T-Dawg 2.0 on 7/5 and it was first foray into low carb dieting of any sort. Hell, it was my first real effort to reduce some bodyfat in over five years.

Anyway, I assumed I’d need the full 100 recommended grams of CHO to maximize my recovery and training efforts (I race BMX bikes - an ATP/CP sport).

For the first week, I adhered to the 70/100gm CHO guidelines of the diet and felt GREAT on the reduced carbs. Just winged it for a carb up day over the weekend - had a pizza and ice cream meal and that was it.

During week two, I noticed I was having to almost force myself to eat carbs and started experimenting with my intake - got most days down to <60gms CHO and noticed I felt better and better - both general disposition as well as in training and recovery. Yet again, half assed the carb/cheat day and even had a few beers.

Sometime during week three I knuckled down and read this ENTIRE thread in one sitting (geek alert) and was immediately convinced that I needed to make the move over to the full-blown AD. For the third and final time, I winged a carb meal/day on Saturday, 7/23 and decided to commit to the AD on 7/24.

This past week I stayed at 20-40gms CHO daily from Sunday through Friday (after reading that in lieu of the 12 day induction you can complete a few 5/2 cycles to get to the metabolic shift, I decided to opt for the latter since I have a major race coming up Labor Day weekend and didn’t want to possibly lose a full week of training if I crashed as some posters have). All week I felt great and by last night, my skin was saran-wrap thin and tight. I’m not concerned about bodybuilding ends but I just had to hit a few shots in the mirror I was so damn psyched at how much body comp change I’d experienced in 3.5 weeks (rough stats below).

Today, I committed to a true AD carb up and hit LOTS of clean carbs all day long - flax waffles, oatmeal, fruit, a clif bar and some Barilla pasta. Funny thing is, for several days I thought the waffles would be a taste of heaven but half way through them, I was wishing for an omelet or piece of meat.

Anyway, as to be expected, I feel somewhat bloated and crappy (sounds like I’m still in DH’s self-described “metabolic purgatory”, as to be expected for a few more 5/2 cycles since I didn’t do the full 12 days).

I hit an upper body workout which did go fine, but I didn’t get anything special as far as a pump (if anything, the perception is the opposite since the saran wrap skin of the work week disappeared after the first meal). I’m not complaining - just noting my experience today. Like I said, after another few 5/2s I should be kicking ass.

Random stuff:

-I’m 6’1" and started out at about 208-210 with a guesstimated 12-14ish % BF. As of last night, I was 201.5 on the same scale and then 203 a few minutes ago after a full day of carbs. I didn’t take any caliper or tape measurements and in hindsight, wish I had.

All I can say is I’ve lost BF judging by both clothes and mirror. I posted some semi-before shots last Friday in the pics forum and will take another round next Friday and post a link here. Once I egt down to 8-9ish % BF, I’m going to look to add back on five or so pounds of muscle but primarily focus on strength.

-Eating 2,500-3,000 cals a day Supps include multis, fish caps, MSM and since last week, HOT-ROX.

-On a normal carb diet, I was the toxic avenger that nobody dared challenege to a fart war. Damn if this diet hasn’t cleaned up my act - I’ve got nada, zip, zilch in the way of gas during the week. HOWEVER, after a day of carbs, my old self is back. Needless to say, Mrs. Deinabolic is looking forward to me going back to meat, cheese and eggs almost as much as I am.

-That’s about it. Just want to thank DH, Barry, MDragon, IC and countless others for their input on this awesome thread. I’ve been training for 15 years and know how to push the iron in and out but have never really gotten into the minuteae of dieting until now. Needless to say, I’m going to be an ADer for life.

DNBLC

CA,

 I'm not one of the veteran guys on the thread, but I have a few suggestions that may be worth trying.
  1. Up your fats. Treat fats as the fuels they are. I think making the shift is a combination effect of low carbs plus HIGH fats (low carb alone is not enough). If your body maintains a ready supply of dietary fats to burn, it will burn them. If the supply is high enough, it will burn a lot of them. I believe that this is the cause of the energy increases that people experience.

  2. Up your water. This diet seems to thrive on high water intake. Water just flows right through you. I know this has been true for me, and I get the sense from other posters as well. I wake up every morning needing a ton of water, and I am drinking over a gallon a day.

  3. Aim right for 30g of carbs per day. I made the mistake as I first started for shooting for 0g carb per day (which is almost impossible, I actually ended up in the neighborhood of 7g per day). Those 30g help prevent you from sinking into ketosis as I understand it. I had this revelation after DH’s post about skimming between ketosis and carb burning, thanks DH!

  4. Aim for 20g fiber per day. This amount seems to optimize my digestion on this diet.

  5. Don’t forget about fats on the weekend. Fats on the weekend are probably more important than protein. They will keep your body from trying to shift back to carb burning only to make the shift again on Mon/Tues. This sounds like it may be happening to you.

Best of luck on cracking this case.

Todd

Awesome Deinabolic,
I’m convinced that the majority would excel on the AD if they just get fully adapted. I mean the real, deep adaptation that occurs after a few months. This is where you hum beautifully on the diet. Just getting past the purgatory and the fear of dropping carbs is the deciding factor.

Even those who support LC diets, still want to serve two masters by assuming that CHO is always necessary to some degree or another on a daily basis. They want to dip their toes in but don’t want jump in all the way. Keeps them from ever adapting and getting the real benefits. They never feel the real deal, man. It’s a shame that brain washing and fear prevents many from trying such an easy and enjoyable diet.

Best,
DH

TJ13,
Great advice, bro. It is TRUE that plenty of fat is just as important as keeping CHO down to 30 or so. You need at least 40-50% and some decent cals to convert.

Dr. D suggests that you don’t ever attempt to adapt and cut at the same time. A bit much to do at once, plus the higher fat cals signal the body to convert to this abundant fuel source. Once you covert, then you can cut, but NOT BELOW 40% of diet or so. You’d be moving toward a low carb AND low fat, high protein diet. Not good for more than a final few weeks of a contest diet. Very touchy.

And yes skimming is the magic concept. Low enough to get all the benefits, just high enough to feel good. Best of both worlds.

Best,
DH

[quote]toddjacobs13 wrote:
CA,

 I'm not one of the veteran guys on the thread, but I have a few suggestions that may be worth trying.
  1. Up your fats. Treat fats as the fuels they are. I think making the shift is a combination effect of low carbs plus HIGH fats (low carb alone is not enough). If your body maintains a ready supply of dietary fats to burn, it will burn them. If the supply is high enough, it will burn a lot of them. I believe that this is the cause of the energy increases that people experience.

  2. Up your water. This diet seems to thrive on high water intake. Water just flows right through you. I know this has been true for me, and I get the sense from other posters as well. I wake up every morning needing a ton of water, and I am drinking over a gallon a day.

  3. Aim right for 30g of carbs per day. I made the mistake as I first started for shooting for 0g carb per day (which is almost impossible, I actually ended up in the neighborhood of 7g per day). Those 30g help prevent you from sinking into ketosis as I understand it. I had this revelation after DH’s post about skimming between ketosis and carb burning, thanks DH!

  4. Aim for 20g fiber per day. This amount seems to optimize my digestion on this diet.

  5. Don’t forget about fats on the weekend. Fats on the weekend are probably more important than protein. They will keep your body from trying to shift back to carb burning only to make the shift again on Mon/Tues. This sounds like it may be happening to you.

Best of luck on cracking this case.

Todd[/quote]

[quote]toddjacobs13 wrote:
CA,

 I'm not one of the veteran guys on the thread, but I have a few suggestions that may be worth trying.
  1. Up your fats. Treat fats as the fuels they are. I think making the shift is a combination effect of low carbs plus HIGH fats (low carb alone is not enough). If your body maintains a ready supply of dietary fats to burn, it will burn them. If the supply is high enough, it will burn a lot of them. I believe that this is the cause of the energy increases that people experience.

  2. Up your water. This diet seems to thrive on high water intake. Water just flows right through you. I know this has been true for me, and I get the sense from other posters as well. I wake up every morning needing a ton of water, and I am drinking over a gallon a day.

  3. Aim right for 30g of carbs per day. I made the mistake as I first started for shooting for 0g carb per day (which is almost impossible, I actually ended up in the neighborhood of 7g per day). Those 30g help prevent you from sinking into ketosis as I understand it. I had this revelation after DH’s post about skimming between ketosis and carb burning, thanks DH!

  4. Aim for 20g fiber per day. This amount seems to optimize my digestion on this diet.

  5. Don’t forget about fats on the weekend. Fats on the weekend are probably more important than protein. They will keep your body from trying to shift back to carb burning only to make the shift again on Mon/Tues. This sounds like it may be happening to you.

Best of luck on cracking this case.

Todd[/quote]

Hi Todd,
Thanks for the advice. I do need to pay more careful attention to my water intake all of the time. The fiber is much easier to get now that I eat pretty much unlimited amounts of spinach, lettuce, muchrooms, etc.

I think that your tips regarding fats on the weeekend could be the kicker for me. Unfortunately, I didn’t read them before my carb-up this weekend, but I’ll certainly watch them next weekend during my carb-up. Thanks a bunch Todd and DH, and everybody else who has helped me with this problem.
-CA.