My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
crazyman wrote:

Also, other question: I always read great things about this diet, so why isn’t everybody always on it like DH? It seems I read about so many people who have done it in the past and are starting up again, why did they stop to begin with?

Maybe it’s because they have stopped posting on the thread except in rare cases.

Have you not noticed that most vets only check in once in a while?
AD[/quote]

Definitely AD. Well said!

Rehashing the same information over and over again can be a bit tiresome. Not to mention being shouted-down by the ever-ambitious neophytes that come along.

Hope all are well!

-peace to all

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[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:

Same here. For me the pain never gets that strong, but the anxiety about needing to eat that goes along with it is unbearable.
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Yep its a mental thing but sometimes if I go too long without food my muscles start to feel sore. Its like I can feel them shrinking. Maybe its psychosomatic.

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I’ve been on the AD for 15 months solid and can’t imagine a scenario under which I would want to go back to a carb based lifestyle. I suppose that’s creeping up on “VET” status somewhat, not that I would ever claim the same credibility as someone like Disc Hoss, who is, in my mind the undisputed civilian champion of the Anabolic Diet.

I don’t post that much in this thread anymore because I’ve said just about everything that I could ever hope to contribute at least ten times already as has DH, Il Cazzo and AD and some others as well I’m sure.

That doesn’t mean I don’t like the thread or begrudge newer people their questions as I’m well aware that this one thread has taken on a total life of it’s own and has grown beyond any reasonable expectation of being fully navigated in most people’s lifetime.

I’m just not honestly motivated to keep up with it like I once was. It’s not just this thread. I’ve begun copying and pasting my thoughts from one thread to another all over the place because for better or worse it’s getting wearisome typing the same things over and over. Absolutely no offense intended toward anyone. I will say though that 97% of everything that will ever be asked was answered in the first 50 pages.

I really hope I’m not coming off the wrong way because I certainly would never want to discourage anybody from posting whatever they will here. I’m just being honest for myself.

I will say that my hat’s off to Alpha Dragon who is one of the few guys stll here who was when I started and his undying patience and commitment should be appreciated by all. He’s just about always still around whenever I pop in here.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’ve been on the AD for 15 months solid and can’t imagine a scenario under which I would want to go back to a carb based lifestyle. I suppose that’s creeping up on “VET” status somewhat, not that I would ever claim the same credibility as someone like Disc Hoss, who is, in my mind the undisputed civilian champion of the Anabolic Diet.

I don’t post that much in this thread anymore because I’ve said just about everything that I could ever hope to contribute at least ten times already as has DH, Il Cazzo and AD and some others as well I’m sure.

That doesn’t mean I don’t like the thread or begrudge newer people their questions as I’m well aware that this one thread has taken on a total life of it’s own and has grown beyond any reasonable expectation of being fully navigated in most people’s lifetime.

I’m just not honestly motivated to keep up with it like I once was. It’s not just this thread. I’ve begun copying and pasting my thoughts from one thread to another all over the place because for better or worse it’s getting wearisome typing the same things over and over. Absolutely no offense intended toward anyone. I will say though that 97% of everything that will ever be asked was answered in the first 50 pages.

I really hope I’m not coming off the wrong way because I certainly would never want to discourage anybody from posting whatever they will here. I’m just being honest for myself.

I will say that my hat’s off to Alpha Dragon who is one of the few guys stll here who was when I started and his undying patience and commitment should be appreciated by all. He’s just about always still around whenever I pop in here.
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Alpha Dragon is AD thread furniture. We amy have to have him reupholstered soon.

-chris

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
<<< Alpha Dragon is AD thread furniture. We amy have to have him reupholstered soon.

-chris[/quote]

Maybe in a sort of gold, blue and red mandarin pattern huh =]

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’ve been on the AD for 15 months solid and can’t imagine a scenario under which I would want to go back to a carb based lifestyle. I suppose that’s creeping up on “VET” status somewhat, not that I would ever claim the same credibility as someone like Disc Hoss, who is, in my mind the undisputed civilian champion of the Anabolic Diet.

I don’t post that much in this thread anymore because I’ve said just about everything that I could ever hope to contribute at least ten times already as has DH, Il Cazzo and AD and some others as well I’m sure.

That doesn’t mean I don’t like the thread or begrudge newer people their questions as I’m well aware that this one thread has taken on a total life of it’s own and has grown beyond any reasonable expectation of being fully navigated in most people’s lifetime.

I’m just not honestly motivated to keep up with it like I once was. It’s not just this thread. I’ve begun copying and pasting my thoughts from one thread to another all over the place because for better or worse it’s getting wearisome typing the same things over and over. Absolutely no offense intended toward anyone. I will say though that 97% of everything that will ever be asked was answered in the first 50 pages.

I really hope I’m not coming off the wrong way because I certainly would never want to discourage anybody from posting whatever they will here. I’m just being honest for myself.

I will say that my hat’s off to Alpha Dragon who is one of the few guys stll here who was when I started and his undying patience and commitment should be appreciated by all. He’s just about always still around whenever I pop in here.
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…and roger.

Tirib… how did you cater the diet to your own needs? I’m curious about how you tweak these days.

-Al

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guys. im on week 3 or 4 at least of the AD. Im kind of hitting a road block in my mind about this diet… im taking around 5500cals and everything and feel strong and all, but im wondering if i would not be seeing those same results with a more lax diet?

my strength was stagnant before hand, and is definitly going up, but im not sure if that is because of me actually calorie counting or what (which is the take home for me of this whole diet).

the only reason i am questioning this is, it seems like i am spending to much time worrying about when to eat and how im going to get my food in. I have even rejected goin over to my girls house for the night solely because I knew i would not be able to get my AD breakfast and prep everything for the next day. I still cook up a bunch of food for the week, but i dont like being SO unsporadic (sp?).

can anyone speak to this and maybe settle my mind or something? im a wanna be PL, so im really looking for the strength right now, and was thinkin about hitting 6kcals to see what would happen, but would something easier like Massive Eating be more up my college life alley?

thanks,
nate

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’ve been on the AD for 15 months solid and can’t imagine a scenario under which I would want to go back to a carb based lifestyle. I suppose that’s creeping up on “VET” status somewhat, not that I would ever claim the same credibility as someone like Disc Hoss, who is, in my mind the undisputed civilian champion of the Anabolic Diet.

I don’t post that much in this thread anymore because I’ve said just about everything that I could ever hope to contribute at least ten times already as has DH, Il Cazzo and AD and some others as well I’m sure.

That doesn’t mean I don’t like the thread or begrudge newer people their questions as I’m well aware that this one thread has taken on a total life of it’s own and has grown beyond any reasonable expectation of being fully navigated in most people’s lifetime.

I’m just not honestly motivated to keep up with it like I once was. It’s not just this thread. I’ve begun copying and pasting my thoughts from one thread to another all over the place because for better or worse it’s getting wearisome typing the same things over and over. Absolutely no offense intended toward anyone. I will say though that 97% of everything that will ever be asked was answered in the first 50 pages.

I really hope I’m not coming off the wrong way because I certainly would never want to discourage anybody from posting whatever they will here. I’m just being honest for myself.

I will say that my hat’s off to Alpha Dragon who is one of the few guys stll here who was when I started and his undying patience and commitment should be appreciated by all. He’s just about always still around whenever I pop in here.
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Great post man, thanks a lot, i really appreciate it.

I’ve only been on the diet for 3 weeks now, but I already see and feel a big difference. I’m actually trying to CUT and I am noticing more muscle mass every week, less fat, and getting stronger at the same time, not to mention I feel great! My diet before was good too, really clean, more protein, more carbs, less fat, and no reload, the AD just affects me much better. Can’t wait to see what happens when I bulk!

This diet is for me is too good to be true, but it is. In just a few weeks my body has responded extremely well to the AD. I think it could definitely turn out to be the Anabolic Lifestyle for me.

I want to take this chance to thank everybody who has posted information here, in three weeks it’s already changed my life for the better, and I’m sure will do the same in years to come.

Thank you

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How do people who have suffered from ‘metabolic damage’ do when trying to jump on the AD bandwagon? People who have not had breakfast regularly and have been under eating for a long time?

I read once on this site - MWA forum - some women who worked with Scott Abel say it took them at least a year to get their metabolism back on track. Is the AD a diet for someone who has had a long history of a solid nutritional plan, or is discipline enough for most people to jump into it?

Also, has anyone had any cholesterol tests done at the start of the diet and for instance after 6 months of being on the AD? I would be curious to see the results. I know a lot of the fats can come from good sources but so much of it is animal fat - bacon, sausage, steak - that I’m curious about the plaque build up in arteries.

Thanks for the info, what a fantastic thread.

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[quote]sifuinkorea wrote:
…and roger.

Tirib… how did you cater the diet to your own needs? I’m curious about how you tweak these days.

-Al[/quote]

The only real changes I’ve made are that I get a bit more carbs during the week and don’t load as hard. Over a week I probably get about 300 or so grams rather than the 150 or so which would be 30 grams times 5. I also still load 2 days, but eat much smaller amounts more times, always very clean. I think a lot of guys shipwreck themselves by going too gung ho right away with crappy load days.

I don’t really try to get depleted anymore. I don’t avoid it either though. I just make sure I stay adapted and don’t gain too much fat which is a pretty easy on this diet because even at 5000+ calories a day I still don’t gain fat and just getting a bit more exercise in the form of walking a couple miles a day handing out flyers for my business has now gotten me leaner without even trying.

I suspect some guys who find themselves getting fatter are getting more cho than they think.

Even these minor changes took me several months to implement. Another mistake made by many in my opinion is trying to get creative too soon. By the book is the way to go for quite a while for most people.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
sifuinkorea wrote:
…and roger.

Tirib… how did you cater the diet to your own needs? I’m curious about how you tweak these days.

-Al

The only real changes I’ve made are that I get a bit more carbs during the week and don’t load as hard. Over a week I probably get about 300 or so grams rather than the 150 or so which would be 30 grams times 5. I also still load 2 days, but eat much smaller amounts more times, always very clean. I think a lot of guys shipwreck themselves by going too gung ho right away with crappy load days.

I don’t really try to get depleted anymore. I don’t avoid it either though. I just make sure I stay adapted and don’t gain too much fat which is a pretty easy on this diet because even at 5000+ calories a day I still don’t gain fat and just getting a bit more exercise in the form of walking a couple miles a day handing out flyers for my business has now gotten me leaner without even trying.

I suspect some guys who find themselves getting fatter are getting more cho than they think.

Even these minor changes took me several months to implement. Another mistake made by many in my opinion is trying to get creative too soon. By the book is the way to go for quite a while for most people.[/quote]

I can attest to the fact of how stupid it is to start going hog wild on re-feeds right away on the diet. It’ll literally set you back weeks if you get too stupid like I’ve done in the past.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Avocado wrote:
<<< Alpha Dragon is AD thread furniture. We amy have to have him reupholstered soon.

-chris

Maybe in a sort of gold, blue and red mandarin pattern huh =][/quote]

I was thinking paisley but I like the gold, red and blue idea. I’m feux retro like that.

-chris

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Randomly, I have made similar changes. Still focusing on staying low CHO during the week but have slightly over 30 CHO because of veggie/fruit intake. still under 50 per day but over 30. I also CHO less frequently now (cutting) and when I do It is almost always steel cut oats or lentils etc.

I third the idea that one should not go dick forward into a CHO up. It can really minus your progress even in the strength dept.

I find it twice as effective to have a full day of clean stuff and then only one meal of junk. If you are cutting kill that meal of junk I’d say. A second day should also be clean and then with minimal junk at the end. I avoid tons of diarrhea this way.

One box of corn pops, a pumpkin pie and bacon grits will blitzkrieg your anus with the force of at least 17.36 spartans.

-chris

[quote]Whey Man wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
sifuinkorea wrote:
…and roger.

Tirib… how did you cater the diet to your own needs? I’m curious about how you tweak these days.

-Al

The only real changes I’ve made are that I get a bit more carbs during the week and don’t load as hard. Over a week I probably get about 300 or so grams rather than the 150 or so which would be 30 grams times 5. I also still load 2 days, but eat much smaller amounts more times, always very clean. I think a lot of guys shipwreck themselves by going too gung ho right away with crappy load days.

I don’t really try to get depleted anymore. I don’t avoid it either though. I just make sure I stay adapted and don’t gain too much fat which is a pretty easy on this diet because even at 5000+ calories a day I still don’t gain fat and just getting a bit more exercise in the form of walking a couple miles a day handing out flyers for my business has now gotten me leaner without even trying.

I suspect some guys who find themselves getting fatter are getting more cho than they think.

Even these minor changes took me several months to implement. Another mistake made by many in my opinion is trying to get creative too soon. By the book is the way to go for quite a while for most people.

I can attest to the fact of how stupid it is to start going hog wild on re-feeds right away on the diet. It’ll literally set you back weeks if you get too stupid like I’ve done in the past.

[/quote]

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
I find it twice as effective to have a full day of clean stuff and then only one meal of junk. If you are cutting kill that meal of junk I’d say. A second day should also be clean and then with minimal junk at the end. I avoid tons of diarrhea this way.

One box of corn pops, a pumpkin pie and bacon grits will blitzkrieg your anus with the force of at least 17.36 spartans.
[/quote]

LOL! How true.

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So you dont spike your insulin w/ carbs + whey PWO on the anabolic diet? I thought this was a given rule to maximize muscle…maybe not

And is there a formula (using bodyweight) to figure out how many grams of carbs to shoot for on Sat & Sun?

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been lurking on this thread for quite a while, and would like to extend my thanks to everyone who posts on here. ive read a lot of the earier pages and ive really learned a lot. i tried the AD once but failed due to the pizza-filled college lifestyle. im interested in trying it again but the thing that concerns me the most is the affect on mental abilities. as a pre-med student with MCATs this year, i gotta be able to use this noggin. has anyone experienced any noticeable increase/decrease in alertness, concentration, and memory? how many have experienced this same effect in the gym? i seem to have read mixed responses

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Lotsa new faces (avatars?) in this thread. I need to stop in more often. Glad to see Alpha Dragon still lurking about.

A quick note to guys trying to find convenient food sources while at work or other places. If taste can be abandoned for these times the food processor is your best friend. I eat probably 70% of my food machine processed. I throw. everything, EVERYTHING in the food processor in the same proportions I would eat it anyway with some water and whiz away until it’s like baby food.

Throw it in a glass jar with maybe some more water so it can be drunk for even more convenience and thousands of top quality calories a day are possible for a couple minutes worth of “eating”.

Not for everybody maybe, but very quick, filling and dense, not to mention digestible.[/quote]

Good to see you around these parts too, buddy. Stop by more often.

AD

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I’ve been on the AD for 15 months solid and can’t imagine a scenario under which I would want to go back to a carb based lifestyle. I suppose that’s creeping up on “VET” status somewhat, not that I would ever claim the same credibility as someone like Disc Hoss, who is, in my mind the undisputed civilian champion of the Anabolic Diet.

I don’t post that much in this thread anymore because I’ve said just about everything that I could ever hope to contribute at least ten times already as has DH, Il Cazzo and AD and some others as well I’m sure.

That doesn’t mean I don’t like the thread or begrudge newer people their questions as I’m well aware that this one thread has taken on a total life of it’s own and has grown beyond any reasonable expectation of being fully navigated in most people’s lifetime.

I’m just not honestly motivated to keep up with it like I once was. It’s not just this thread. I’ve begun copying and pasting my thoughts from one thread to another all over the place because for better or worse it’s getting wearisome typing the same things over and over. Absolutely no offense intended toward anyone. I will say though that 97% of everything that will ever be asked was answered in the first 50 pages.

I really hope I’m not coming off the wrong way because I certainly would never want to discourage anybody from posting whatever they will here. I’m just being honest for myself.

I will say that my hat’s off to Alpha Dragon who is one of the few guys stll here who was when I started and his undying patience and commitment should be appreciated by all. He’s just about always still around whenever I pop in here.

Alpha Dragon is AD thread furniture. We amy have to have him reupholstered soon.

-chris[/quote]

You guys are ridiculous! Thanks for the kind words, but I think you guys exaggerate…to be honest, I’m a little worn out with all the same things and only read the thread every day or two but post only every so often (gotta let the new guys have the fun too. :wink: )

And, Tirib is right about the same questions being rehashed.

But, you guys got horrible taste in color patterns…sheesh. WHy not Silver/Black/Gold?

AD

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[quote]Pauli D wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
crazyman wrote:

Also, other question: I always read great things about this diet, so why isn’t everybody always on it like DH? It seems I read about so many people who have done it in the past and are starting up again, why did they stop to begin with?

Maybe it’s because they have stopped posting on the thread except in rare cases.

Have you not noticed that most vets only check in once in a while?
AD

Definitely AD. Well said!

Rehashing the same information over and over again can be a bit tiresome. Not to mention being shouted-down by the ever-ambitious neophytes that come along.

Hope all are well!

-peace to all[/quote]

Now HERE is another guy you all should listen to. He gave me advice when I started (along with DH, Tirib, Vasudeva, and many others that I apologize for not gibing credit to now).

Stop by more often, Pauli D…even to say “hola”

AD

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Avocado wrote:
<<< Alpha Dragon is AD thread furniture. We amy have to have him reupholstered soon.

-chris

Maybe in a sort of gold, blue and red mandarin pattern huh =]

I was thinking paisley but I like the gold, red and blue idea. I’m feux retro like that.

-chris[/quote]

Ugh…don’t EVER invite me to hang out at YOUR place, if that’s the case. :stuck_out_tongue:

Come on guys…Gold, Silver and Platinum??