My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

[quote]sifuinkorea wrote:
roofus_5 wrote:

My background, I bought the Anabolic diet back in 94-95 when it first came out. I was young to the iron game and used it to go from 185 lbs with a 36" waist to 205 with a 34" waist. I was 24 at the time. I went on to reach a weight of 225 at 8% bf. Over the last 12 years I have used it off an on, but have recently started back with a very focused approach. Currently at 36 I’m 6’4" 264 with a 41.5" waist (umbilicus). I powerlift now and my goal is to hit 275 at 10-15% bf. I am currently on day 8 and suprisingly had no trouble making it through the weekend. This is my first attempt at a 12 day induction. I went through my “crash” on day 3 which is where I have always had it. My workouts are okay, but I scheduled a deload phase for this week, so weights are moderate and reps a little higher.

The best part, so far, is that I started at a shade over 42" for my waist and 260 lbs fasted. Today I was 41.5" but up to 264 fasted. I have always dropped 5-6 lbs the first week, but in the past I don’t think I kept my fats as high as I am now. I am also far from constipated, so I know it’s not being held up in the intestines. Looking forward to staying the course and shattering some pr’s.

I have a similar history to you, roof. I’m 37 and was powerlifting back when I was first introduced to the diet. Currently, I am into a crossfit type program with sprints/oly lifts/calisthenics as the core.
When we first found the diet, we completely abused the weekend carb ups, but being in our early twenties, our metabolisms’ were more forgiving. Like you, I have been eating in this way for over a decade and until recently (within the year) have never quite come upon the “sweet spot”.
I don’t officially carb up at all these days although once a month or so I have a beer, which will lead to more. My drinking is down to the above mentioned and that is what I found to be the wrench fucking up my progress. Drinking alcohol will fuck your progress almost as much as carbs will. I find that if my fat intake is kept high my performance is better than it ever was. On the opposite end, if I reduce the calories/portions I will loose bodyfat within days.

To mention of alphadragon’s post, and to base with what is being talked about lately: you really do need to first transition over to burning fat primarily before making some tweaks. This, as mentioned, can take months. I can’t speak to everyone, but for myself and some others, once the foggyness goes away you should be just about done. The general foggyness that may last only a minute or two is the last sign of switching that I have noticed, and it’s the first sign to come back if when I used to eat carbs for too long. Anyone else notice this? Also, in my years of going “on” and “off”, I noticed that the switch is made quicker and quicker the longer I’ve been eating like this. I also noticed that whenever I did go back to eating carbs, I felt the metabolic switch harder in the carb direction, making me believe that over time, one truly gets fat adapted. If you think in terms of your body wanting burn fat for fuel, and carbs just getting in the way all those years, then the longer you eat “properly” the more natural a state burning fat for fuel will be and your body will try to maintain this.

Once you have transitioned, you need to take careful notice of what is going on with your body and the performance resulting from what you put into it. When eating like this, small tweaks will be noticed rather quickly. One thing you will also notice is that you can eat much more calories exceeding your output and not gain fat or gain very slowly. And, as I said, if you reduce your overall caloric intake your bodyfat will melt off in days. My view of the prescribed calories is mostly for those transitioning. After that, if you want performance, eat a lot… if you want to loose bodyfat, eat less. You can be on the verge of hunger, eating 1000 calories or less per day, and still out perform fairly decent, understanding that this is not your focus. The best part of eating such a low intake on this diet is that your head always feels pretty good, as opposed to the complete misery on a carb based low cal diet. The worst thing is considering that our food is protein and mostly fat, the portions are so small.

Hope this helps someone.

-Al[/quote]

Very well put, IMHO

Thanks for the affirmation Sifuinkorea. Yes, I’m really looking forward to what happens after adhering to the induction phase. I will admit I have done very little training in the last two weeks, due to schedule and a planned deload. So I haven’t quite had the extreme drop in size that I usually experience…but that’s okay. The way I’m lifting now would have been disasterous if I’d tried to stay with it in this state. I can really feel it in my legs when I just climb stairs. However, I’m confident in the full adaption to come. I used to do triathlons while following this diet.

I used to abuse carb-ups too. I’d start at 6:00 or 7:00 on Friday and carry over to the same time on Sunday evening. Pizza, beer, ice cream, Fruity Pebbles, Pop tarts…the works. I’d come in on Monday morning 10 lbs over my Friday weight and have a pump so hard I couldn’t wash my back or shoulders in the shower. My 20’s were so nice!! Still, I’m really looking forward to this round, I haven’t been this focused in a while. BTW, went to the Dr. yesterday and my BP was 120/70 and HR was 60.

[quote]roofus_5 wrote:

I used to abuse carb-ups too. I’d start at 6:00 or 7:00 on Friday and carry over to the same time on Sunday evening. Pizza, beer, ice cream, Fruity Pebbles, Pop tarts…the works. I’d come in on Monday morning 10 lbs over my Friday weight and have a pump so hard I couldn’t wash my back or shoulders in the shower. My 20’s were so nice!! Still, I’m really looking forward to this round, I haven’t been this focused in a while. BTW, went to the Dr. yesterday and my BP was 120/70 and HR was 60.[/quote]

Haha… we were working nights in bars at the time and would begin by drinking heinekens at midnight followed by cheeseburgers and french fries at the diner about 6am after work. Of course this would go through Sunday until bedtime - however late that was.

Ahhhhh, the good times.

Whats up ladies and gentleman,

Iv been on the Anabolic Diet for several months now and love the results. This thread in particular was an invaluable trouble shooting tool for me…thanks guys!

I have a quick question, I have read Dr. Dipasquale make reference to manipulating carb intake on the weekends to maximize the effects of the insulin surge but cannot find any examples. I have a good idea of what the best carbs are to consume on the weekends, does anyone have more info on what carbs should be eaten in what order throughout the day in order to garner this increased effect?

Hey Everyone,

I have a simple question. Has anyone bought the “ebook” versions of the diets? If so does the format allow printing or copying? I’m asking 'cause I ordered 2 ebooks online yesterday, Chad Waterbury’s 10/10 Transformation and The Cheat to Loose Diet both ebook format. Chad’s was no problem, I downloaded it from his site and it allowed printing and copying so I can paste it onto my ipod and take it with me or print it out and put in a binder.

The Cheat to Loose Diet I ordered from Ebooks.com and not only does it NOT ALLOW PRINTING but I CANT FUNKIN’ READ IT THE LETTERS ARE SO SMALL - I almost came outta my skin!!!. I should have read the details on the website. I searched Metabolic/Anabolic ebook site for any details on their ebook format and couldn’t find any . . . Does anyone here know if it’s simple PDF not some DMR protected piece of garbage???

Being that I moved to Europe Greece in particular recently shipping and customs is a bitch and if Amazon in the UK doesn’t have it the Greeks customs convieniently loose it until you grease them up so their memory could be refreshed and you can finally get your stuff. . .

Any help from anyone here would be GREATLY appreciated . . .

Great thread!

I’ve got a question: How many calories I should take in on my carb up weekend?
I’ve just finished 12 day phase eating about 2100 cal ( I weigh 74kg now and have lost 4kg). I’ve been going by 14xBW.

Thanks a lot.

AD Vets

What do you do when you take a break for a week from lifting? I am going away for a golf trip in mid Nov and was just looking for some helpfull info…

I have been on AD for 1 1/2 months and I don’t want to screw it up too bad! Do you try to follow the same routine as far as the carb ups or do you maybe only do a 24hr carb up? I have been using the diet to try to add mass and have added 10 pounds and this weekend will be my 4th carb up…

[quote]JuicyLucy wrote:
Great thread!

I’ve got a question: How many calories I should take in on my carb up weekend?
I’ve just finished 12 day phase eating about 2100 cal ( I weigh 74kg now and have lost 4kg). I’ve been going by 14xBW.

Thanks a lot.
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A lot of interrelated factors. What you want to eat, how long you want the carb-load to last, the # of calories you eat during during the week… Still, I will give you Dr. D’s recommendation: consume about 20% more calories during your carb-load.

However, I’d like to preface this recommendation. When you carb-load, it’s often VERY difficult to control your hunger… and considering that fretting over calories instead of enjoying yourself and living the AD lifestyle is just not worth it, my suggestion is to eat what you want, when you want it… within reason. I wouldn’t recommend sitting down and eating a half-gallon of ice cream, but if you want ice cream, have it.

I responded to a question about carb-loads on this page a couple days ago. Check it out.

Regardless, my opinion of the carb-load is that the 2nd day provides diminished returns. During the first day of the carb-load, you will continue to burn FFAs primarily, glycolitic enzymes are at their peak, and insulin sensitivity is maximized. While the above are true for the 2nd day, they are true to a lesser extent. What does that mean?

The first day rules: you can eat bigger, eat more of what you crave, and give yourself a more thorough psychological break from the low-carb week… all with MUCH less worry about fat gain.

Note: what I have written is entirely dependent upon your regular participation in some form of glycogen depleting high intensity exercise during the week.

[quote]JDK wrote:
Anyone else have their wife referring to this diet as “that fucking diet”?[/quote]

Mine’s on it =]

Hi, Everyone.

I was planning to start the AD in December when came home from college. However, reading the first 25 pages of this thread motivated me to start now.

Today was my first day on the AD.

Stats:

18 years old, male
~155 Lbs.
10%-12% body fat

My goals are to bulk to around 180 while maintaining current BF%, then cut about 10 lbs.

Heres what I ate:

Breakfast
3 Hard boiled eggs
3 strips of bacon

Lunch
~6oz fried Tilapia
1 egg white

Snack
1oz Monterey Jack cheese

PWO: Whey in water

Dinner: hot dog with slice of provolone
1 chicken cutlet

Snack:
Can tuna w ~2 tbsp mayo
1oz cheddar cheese

Snack:
1oz mozzarella cheese

Notes:
Water with each meal
water with 5g metamucil mid-day

A few questions:

How can I incorporate olive oil into this?
What are the best vegetables to eat? (I know I need more.)

The metamucil nutrition facts say:

5g total carb
__3g dietary fiber
______2g soluble fiber
__0g sugars

does that mean 2g net carbs?

I am using a westside split, ME bench monday, DE leg tues, DE bench Thurs, ME squad firday. Should I change it up at all, or carb load on a weekday instead of the weekend, or will this work well with a standard weekday/weekend split?

Thanks for all your help.

You need to up the calories a lot man!

"A few questions:

How can I incorporate olive oil into this?
What are the best vegetables to eat? (I know I need more.)"

To increase my olive oil consumption, I take a tablespoon or two with a meal, and I add it to my pre-bed cottage cheese. I also add it to tuna and canned salmon.

I make sure I get my low carb veggies in everyday of my low carb cycle.

I eat one pound of brocoli and one pound of spinach a day. I easily do this by making 4 separate veggie shakes a day.

I empty half of a one pound bag of frozen vegetables (brocoli or spinach) into a blender, add water, blend until it is liquid, and drink it down. It’s quick, easy and refreshing.

For fiber and healthy essential fatty acids, you can add a tablespoon or two of ground flax seed.

If you do this, you will not need to take fiber supplements, and you will be getting all the good things green veggies have to offer.

[quote]bholiday wrote:

"A few questions:

How can I incorporate olive oil into this?
What are the best vegetables to eat? (I know I need more.)"

To increase my olive oil consumption, I take a tablespoon or two with a meal, and I add it to my pre-bed cottage cheese. I also add it to tuna and canned salmon.

I make sure I get my low carb veggies in everyday of my low carb cycle.

I eat one pound of brocoli and one pound of spinach a day. I easily do this by making 4 separate veggie shakes a day.

I empty half of a one pound bag of frozen vegetables (brocoli or spinach) into a blender, add water, blend until it is liquid, and drink it down. It’s quick, easy and refreshing.

For fiber and healthy essential fatty acids, you can add a tablespoon or two of ground flax seed.

If you do this, you will not need to take fiber supplements, and you will be getting all the good things green veggies have to offer.[/quote]

Sorry…but ew! LOL.

Personally, I mix a ton of broccoli or spinach with melted cheese and then mix in olive oil. One of the best tasting snacks ever IMO.

I should be getting a call from Mauro this weekend or early next week. Dave Barr is having me set up an interview session with Doc. I’ve included some of the most common questions I get asked on behalf of my AD brethren. Some good ones to be sure.

Will try to keep you all updated on when this all goes down in real time and can be posted on T-Nation.

Also, Doc’s new Amino and Proteins textbook has been updated and will be available in December from CRC press. The first edition was awesome, and Doc says this one is even better!

just when you guys thought I deserted ya. :wink:

Best,
DH

[quote]DH wrote:
I should be getting a call from Mauro this weekend or early next week. Dave Barr is having me set up an interview session with Doc. I’ve included some of the most common questions I get asked on behalf of my AD brethren. Some good ones to be sure.

Will try to keep you all updated on when this all goes down in real time and can be posted on T-mag.

Also, Doc’s new Amino and Proteins textbook has been updated and will be available in December from CRC press. The first edition was awesome, and Doc says this one is even better!

just when you guys thought I deserted ya. :wink:

Best,
DH

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Can’t wait DH, although I think you have already answered most of our questions.

[quote]DH wrote:
I should be getting a call from Mauro this weekend or early next week. Dave Barr is having me set up an interview session with Doc. I’ve included some of the most common questions I get asked on behalf of my AD brethren. Some good ones to be sure.

Will try to keep you all updated on when this all goes down in real time and can be posted on T-mag.

Also, Doc’s new Amino and Proteins textbook has been updated and will be available in December from CRC press. The first edition was awesome, and Doc says this one is even better!

just when you guys thought I deserted ya. :wink:

Best,
DH

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wow that’s some pretty dope hookups right there.

-chris

Thank you, Ovalpline I will adjust accordingly. The 20% calorie increase for the carb-up days (36h duration) sounds good.

[quote]DH wrote:
I should be getting a call from Mauro this weekend or early next week. Dave Barr is having me set up an interview session with Doc. I’ve included some of the most common questions I get asked on behalf of my AD brethren. Some good ones to be sure.

Will try to keep you all updated on when this all goes down in real time and can be posted on T-Nation.

Also, Doc’s new Amino and Proteins textbook has been updated and will be available in December from CRC press. The first edition was awesome, and Doc says this one is even better!

just when you guys thought I deserted ya. :wink:

Best,
DH

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Very nice, bro.

See? Whenever DH appears, he has something nigh groundbreaking to talk about…makes me feel like a peon. :stuck_out_tongue:

AD

Well, it’s the least I can do for all the “little” people out there. :wink:

Ha ha…

DH

BTW, these “dope hookups” are from being a professional pest who can sling the hash when I get a big fish on the line. ;0

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
DH wrote:
I should be getting a call from Mauro this weekend or early next week. Dave Barr is having me set up an interview session with Doc. I’ve included some of the most common questions I get asked on behalf of my AD brethren. Some good ones to be sure.

Will try to keep you all updated on when this all goes down in real time and can be posted on T-Nation.

Also, Doc’s new Amino and Proteins textbook has been updated and will be available in December from CRC press. The first edition was awesome, and Doc says this one is even better!

just when you guys thought I deserted ya. :wink:

Best,
DH

Very nice, bro.

See? Whenever DH appears, he has something nigh groundbreaking to talk about…makes me feel like a peon. :stuck_out_tongue:

AD[/quote]

It’s a talent, bro…admit it. :wink:

AD

[quote]DH wrote:
Well, it’s the least I can do for all the “little” people out there. :wink:

Ha ha…

DH

BTW, these “dope hookups” are from being a professional pest who can sling the hash when I get a big fish on the line. ;0

AlphaDragon wrote:
DH wrote:
I should be getting a call from Mauro this weekend or early next week. Dave Barr is having me set up an interview session with Doc. I’ve included some of the most common questions I get asked on behalf of my AD brethren. Some good ones to be sure.

Will try to keep you all updated on when this all goes down in real time and can be posted on T-Nation.

Also, Doc’s new Amino and Proteins textbook has been updated and will be available in December from CRC press. The first edition was awesome, and Doc says this one is even better!

just when you guys thought I deserted ya. :wink:

Best,
DH

Very nice, bro.

See? Whenever DH appears, he has something nigh groundbreaking to talk about…makes me feel like a peon. :stuck_out_tongue:

AD

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