My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Alex_HW wrote:
I tried the AD(although I didn’t do a carb-up - was still very new to nutrition/lifting etc) a couple of months ago.
The problem is that I started getting heart pain.
It seems the more animal fats I eat(the longer time - a matter of days/weeks) the worse it gets(I THINK it hurt one maybe two times a day). It appears in a matter of days(sice eating like that) and gets worse as time passes.

I do feel much better and more like an animal which I really like, but I have the heart issue.

If anyone has any idea why this would happen or if it has happened to them then please tell me.

BF%: 35+, BW:250. Is it possible this might be the reason ?
[/quote]

yes that is possible. You can keep the AD up but try keeeping the sat fats extra low and the O3’s and monos high.

so instead of fatty burger or blade steak You eat salmon and other fatty fishies. also hit up the chicken breast and thighs.

the breast you can eat with EVOO but the thighs have theri own fats. Stick with the meats that will be less agitating to your veins until they heal up after about a month. So no bacon and keep the beef/pork to 1 or two times per week and see how it goes.

Also, to prevent further agitation of your vein walls do not go high GI on your carb up. No cake and cereal. Stick to low GI to avoid overcompensating insulin surges. So that means lentils, oats (no milk, use low CHO Metabolic Drive), fruit, beans, etc. No rice or breads or pasta etc.

Also, stick to metabolic training for the next year or until you get to about 15% BF.

-chris

6803

[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
Richie Dagger wrote:
I just finished reading this thread(or whatever it should be called at this point) and want to say thanks to all the contributors who have made my initial experiences on this diet much easier. I’ve been on for five or six weeks now, and am loving every minute of it.

sweetness[/quote]

Hows the new wrestling season going dude? You gonna have to do some more ridiculous cutting again or are we going to be right on target? Lets hope for the later.

-chris

6804

Day 9 and i am crashing. Feel like i am getting the flu. Very lethargic, not really hungry, kind of dizzy when i get up.

6805

[quote]Avocado wrote:
yes that is possible. You can keep the AD up but try keeeping the sat fats extra low and the O3’s and monos high.
so instead of fatty burger or blade steak You eat salmon and other fatty fishies. also hit up the chicken breast and thighs. the breast you can eat with EVOO but the thighs have theri own fats.[/quote]

This seems to be the only way for me now. I suppose I wouldn’t get anywhere near the Testosterone/mood boost benefits without the Saturates, right?

Chicken skin also seems to affect this heart thing. At least if I will manage to control hunger(impossible with Junk food and carbs stuff) I’ll be more then fine.

[quote]
Stick with the meats that will be less agitating to your veins until they heal up after about a month. So no bacon and keep the beef/pork to 1 or two times per week and see how it goes.[/quote]

Heal ? I don’t exactly understand. Explain a little more if you can. I doubt I have Cholesterol problems since I’m 19, but I have a feeling this isn’t what you’re talking about.

[quote]
Also, to prevent further agitation of your vein walls do not go high GI on your carb up. No cake and cereal. Stick to low GI to avoid overcompensating insulin surges. So that means lentils, oats (no milk, use low CHO Metabolic Drive), fruit, beans, etc. No rice or breads or pasta etc.[/quote]

Fortunately I was already planning to do this.

I suppose you mean that low rest stuff. Well, training wise I’m a stubborn bastard :), but I’ll see what I can do to help with fat loss(more volume or something) training-wise.

I do have to say that I find these issues VERY strange. I mean fat people lose fat with AD/Atkins etc and I seriously doubt they feel like they’ll have a heart attack in weeks. Very weird and certainly sucks.
Thanks for the tips.

6806

Day 11. First post here I think. My god, so lethargic. Just hit me today, and it’s a killer. Was having issues getting all the food, now it’s even worse. Been covering my meat in butters and EVOO etc to get cals up. Hoping pick up in the next day or 2.

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
Richie Dagger wrote:
I just finished reading this thread(or whatever it should be called at this point) and want to say thanks to all the contributors who have made my initial experiences on this diet much easier. I’ve been on for five or six weeks now, and am loving every minute of it.

sweetness

Hows the new wrestling season going dude? You gonna have to do some more ridiculous cutting again or are we going to be right on target? Lets hope for the later.

-chris[/quote]

well im def going up a weight class but not cuz i gained any fat…my energy levels are much better and since ive done some training i know ill come into this season much better…thanks. although im obsessing with getting stronger but ionno if ill be able to gain much while wrestling starts. o well…ill see how it goes practice starts next monday

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
Richie Dagger wrote:
I just finished reading this thread(or whatever it should be called at this point) and want to say thanks to all the contributors who have made my initial experiences on this diet much easier. I’ve been on for five or six weeks now, and am loving every minute of it.

sweetness

Hows the new wrestling season going dude? You gonna have to do some more ridiculous cutting again or are we going to be right on target? Lets hope for the later.

-chris[/quote]

o and im also the captain now which means im basically co-coach…which is awesome cuz now i have more than enough reason to jump down slackers throats when theyre slackin on sprints while carrying their teammates on their backs

6809

WAIT A TICK!!! Did I hear something about a Protein Shake with Heavy Cream! I’ve been gone for while but details please!!!

6810

Hey all, am interested in trying out this diet, but have a few questions:

Is it okay to just go 5 days instead of 12 for the induction?
Do you count fibre carbs, or do you subtract fibre from total carbs?
Is it okay to do HIIT training on this diet?
Can I have Surge post work-out during the week in addition to the 30 grams carbs?

And most importantly:

Is it okay for me to post questions that have been answered 1,754,980 times???

Hehehe PSYCH!! I could just see the regulars reaching for the flame button (if only there was such a thing)…

Seriously though, I’ve just spent the last 4-5 weeks reading the entire 276 pages of this thread (at work, in between trying not to get caught), read the e-book, and am coming up to my 2nd carb up this weekend. I feel that I have finally earned my right of passage to introduce myself :slight_smile:

Been lifting consistently for approx 6 months. Just started Bill Starr 5x5 this week.

Stats:
5’ 9"
148lbs
+/- 18% BF (probably +!)

Best lifts:
Bench: 88lbs
Squat: 132lbs
Dead: 200lbs

Had no real dramas with the induction, just a little low energy/sucky workouts. Certainly couldn’t wait until the carb up but - devoured some cereal and jelly belly’s and a few beers too. It was a true test of wills doing the grocery shopping on the friday night before it and manhandling fruit/potatoes/jelly beans/cereal knowing that I couldn’t touch them until the morning! Won’t be so naughty this weekend.

OH, and before you start thinking that DAMN this guys a skinny fat weak dude, I’m a chick :wink:

Cheers, V.

6811

Hi,
Need to be on the diet a while before trying Surge and even then not after every workout i think.
Fibre is ‘free’
5 day induction means it can take up to a month before you are fully fat adapted, as opposed to 12 days.
At least, i think that is right.

6812

Danchubb,

Please read my post again - I was kidding!!

ta

6813

So I thought I should update everyone on my experience:

A few weeks ago I complained about a number of things after about 7 weeks of the AD, namely, intestinal cramping, huge loss of appetite, ‘bathroom’ issues, etc.

Now several weeks later, all of these problems have disappeared. The intestinal cramps were a result of eating raw broccoli, which I have since replaced with frozen florets. I find that I can get my vegetables easier this way.

The appetite has returned to normal; even after eating a huge breakfast full of eggs and bacon, I am hungry again 3 hours later.

And no more issues in the bathroom =)

I’m not sure what exactly happened during those weeks, but it sucked. I stuck to the diet though and I have bounced back nicely.

6814

[quote]darbford wrote:
Hey all, am interested in trying out this diet, but have a few questions:

Is it okay to just go 5 days instead of 12 for the induction?
Do you count fibre carbs, or do you subtract fibre from total carbs?
Is it okay to do HIIT training on this diet?
Can I have Surge post work-out during the week in addition to the 30 grams carbs?

And most importantly:

Is it okay for me to post questions that have been answered 1,754,980 times???

Hehehe PSYCH!! I could just see the regulars reaching for the flame button (if only there was such a thing)…
[/quote]

All right, ya got me…I was gnashing my teeth. :wink:

AD

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[quote]i0wny0uall wrote:
So I thought I should update everyone on my experience:

A few weeks ago I complained about a number of things after about 7 weeks of the AD, namely, intestinal cramping, huge loss of appetite, ‘bathroom’ issues, etc.

Now several weeks later, all of these problems have disappeared. The intestinal cramps were a result of eating raw broccoli, which I have since replaced with frozen florets. I find that I can get my vegetables easier this way.

The appetite has returned to normal; even after eating a huge breakfast full of eggs and bacon, I am hungry again 3 hours later.

And no more issues in the bathroom =)

I’m not sure what exactly happened during those weeks, but it sucked. I stuck to the diet though and I have bounced back nicely. [/quote]

This post should be “stickied” for anyone who wants to fall off the AD train before they give it a fair chance.

AD

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I’m glad everything has worked out for you…and perhaps I will monitor for any similar problems that may arise as a result of my eating broccoli raw on a daily basis.

6817

Tiribulus, would you mind posting your 5k calories diet? I’m almost done with my induction and are to bulk up. However I’m having a hard time planning meals that keeps carbs at 30g.

Also after 1st carb up, I don’t have to worry about counting carbs from eggs anymore right? What are the other foods that I don’t have to worry about counting carbs besides approved greens?

I’d appreciate it a lot.

6818

Fell off the wagon a bit yesterday.

To keep this story short and to the point I am just going to bullet point the key facts.

  • Got 4.5 hours of sleep Tuesday night
  • Only had a protein shake for breakfast Wednesday
  • Skipped all meals during the day Wednesday
  • Took BCAAs and ZMA throughout the day Wednesday
  • Had a great squat workout Wednesday evening
  • Ate a big pile of food after working out, many carbs

I am not sure I want back on the diet. I do not doubt the diet’s efficacy but rather doubt how it fits into my lifestyle right now.

Hypothetically though, after I eat whatever today (a carb-up lets say), could I get back on Friday, and just count Thursday as one of my weekly carb-up days and then carb-up Sunday? Or would I be completely off track and not get back on that easily assuming I want to?

6819

[quote]Avocado wrote:
Alex_HW wrote:
I tried the AD(although I didn’t do a carb-up - was still very new to nutrition/lifting etc) a couple of months ago.
The problem is that I started getting heart pain.
It seems the more animal fats I eat(the longer time - a matter of days/weeks) the worse it gets(I THINK it hurt one maybe two times a day). It appears in a matter of days(sice eating like that) and gets worse as time passes.

I do feel much better and more like an animal which I really like, but I have the heart issue.

If anyone has any idea why this would happen or if it has happened to them then please tell me.

BF%: 35+, BW:250. Is it possible this might be the reason ?

yes that is possible. You can keep the AD up but try keeeping the sat fats extra low and the O3’s and monos high.

so instead of fatty burger or blade steak You eat salmon and other fatty fishies. also hit up the chicken breast and thighs.

the breast you can eat with EVOO but the thighs have theri own fats. Stick with the meats that will be less agitating to your veins until they heal up after about a month. So no bacon and keep the beef/pork to 1 or two times per week and see how it goes.

Also, to prevent further agitation of your vein walls do not go high GI on your carb up. No cake and cereal. Stick to low GI to avoid overcompensating insulin surges. So that means lentils, oats (no milk, use low CHO Metabolic Drive), fruit, beans, etc. No rice or breads or pasta etc.

Also, stick to metabolic training for the next year or until you get to about 15% BF.

-chris[/quote]

when you say no pasta and no bread why not? would this be recommended for people wihthout troubles? because i really love my PB&Js and I’talian food :frowning:

6820

Hey guys, I’ve been trying to keep up with the end of this thread for a while now and have been picking up some nice tips. I also have a question that maybe someone can help me with.

I started the diet on July 21st so I’ve been on it almost 2 months. I feel like I am looking a little bit better, (slightly leaner, but not really losing weight at all). I would like to try to get to single digit BF (I was around 13-14% last time I checked) but don’t seem to be seeing the scale move at all in the last few weeks.

I started off the diet with kcal at 2900 (I’m 5’5" around 155) for the induction phase, realized I was keeping them too high and went down to 2700 for a week, and then dropped again to about 2400 for the last 4 weeks or so. I am shooting for C <30, F 55-60%, P 35-40%

My Diet looks like this basically, comments appreciated

Breakfast
4 omega 3 eggs
1 jumbo egg white
1 slice cheese
3 breasfast sausage links
F 38 C 2 P 38

Snack
2-3 string cheese
F 12 C 0 P 21

Lunch
90% Lean Beef Hamburger (~8-10 oz)
Hot Pepper Cheese
6 Fish Oil Caps
F 26 C 0 P 31

Workout
1 scoop Metabolic Drive
20 gms BCAA (16 pills spread throughout workout)
F 4 C 3 P 20

Dinner
Chicken Breast (6-8 oz)
Wasabi sauce
F 11 C 1 P 40

Snack
1 slices Muenster cheese
F 18 C 0 P 14

Before Bed
2 scoops Metabolic Drive
2 tbps heavy whipping cream
1 tbps olive oil
Flameout
F 36 C 6 P 40

Totals F 145 Carbolin 19 P 204 Total Kcal around 2300-2400

I guess I am wondering if my calories are still a little too high to expect fat loss (I am at around 16 x BW now) and whether or not it is too soon to drop them lower. I’ve read that you should fully adapt (3-6 months) before making changes. I have no problem staying on the diet, just want to see some more noticeable progress from week to week.

Thanks
Pete

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[quote]PharmD Pete wrote:
Hey guys, I’ve been trying to keep up with the end of this thread for a while now and have been picking up some nice tips. I also have a question that maybe someone can help me with.

I started the diet on July 21st so I’ve been on it almost 2 months. I feel like I am looking a little bit better, (slightly leaner, but not really losing weight at all). I would like to try to get to single digit BF (I was around 13-14% last time I checked) but don’t seem to be seeing the scale move at all in the last few weeks.

I started off the diet with kcal at 2900 (I’m 5’5" around 155) for the induction phase, realized I was keeping them too high and went down to 2700 for a week, and then dropped again to about 2400 for the last 4 weeks or so. I am shooting for C <30, F 55-60%, P 35-40%

My Diet looks like this basically, comments appreciated

Breakfast
4 omega 3 eggs
1 jumbo egg white
1 slice cheese
3 breasfast sausage links
F 38 C 2 P 38

Snack
2-3 string cheese
F 12 C 0 P 21

Lunch
90% Lean Beef Hamburger (~8-10 oz)
Hot Pepper Cheese
6 Fish Oil Caps
F 26 C 0 P 31

Workout
1 scoop Metabolic Drive
20 gms BCAA (16 pills spread throughout workout)
F 4 C 3 P 20

Dinner
Chicken Breast (6-8 oz)
Wasabi sauce
F 11 C 1 P 40

Snack
1 slices Muenster cheese
F 18 C 0 P 14

Before Bed
2 scoops Metabolic Drive
2 tbps heavy whipping cream
1 tbps olive oil
Flameout
F 36 C 6 P 40

Totals F 145 Carbolin 19 P 204 Total Kcal around 2300-2400

I guess I am wondering if my calories are still a little too high to expect fat loss (I am at around 16 x BW now) and whether or not it is too soon to drop them lower. I’ve read that you should fully adapt (3-6 months) before making changes. I have no problem staying on the diet, just want to see some more noticeable progress from week to week.

Thanks
Pete[/quote]

Pete, Pete, Pete. Let me first start out by saying you are lucky MI doesn’t play the IA Hawks this year! JK

No expert here but I always tell people never to judge results by a scale. How do you look in a mirror?? You could be losing fat and gaining muscle. Just my 2 cents. Good luck against ND.