My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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:slight_smile: Never been a big fan of veggies, but yeah, point taken, there’s not many there. Do 2 Centrum count?? :slight_smile: This was prob a particularly bad day for vegies, but that said, have been reading about the “Inuit Paradox” and the diets of Australian Aborigines, and have become less persuaded of the benefits of vegetables…

Was going to try and find some good cod liver oil though to get a few good fishy fats, and i believe it is full of vitamins too. Regarding scurvy, I actually read a few places that the best cure was fresh meat, and that it was mostly caused by a seagoing diet of salted beef, which quickly came good with the fresh meat… Who knows. I am trying to keep close tabs on how I feel, as i am sure that that is a pretty good indication of how healthy i am?? Do need to get the blood tests done to be sure though.

Take it easy,

Richie

[quote]Miserere wrote:
Hey Richo, where are the veggies, mate!? How come you haven’t developed scurvy yet? :slight_smile:

Seriously, why are you neglecting the green stuff? I think I don’t eat that many veggies, but I get 100 gr of each of spinach, broccoli and cauliflower every day. Then add to that any assorted lettuce, onions, peppers, cucumbers, green beans, carrots, tomatoes, etc… that come my way.

Just saying…[/quote]

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[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
I’ve been on the AD for 2 weeks now. About 3 days in, my body just shut down and my workouts sucked (I’m assuming from the low-carbs), but I’ve recovered and am doing much better now.

My question is: would anyone recommend the AD for fat/weight loss? I’m trying to lose a significant amount of weight, and have lost 22 pounds so far just by cleaning up my diet and exercising hard. I know that essentially your body goes from burning carbs to burning fat, because the carbs are low and that you start to burn fat after a certain amount of time, but would this be recommended for a long-term solution to losing weight?

Any feedback would be much appreicated.[/quote]

more then anything this was a diet mainly made for fat loss and preserve lean mass while doing so u are on the right track dont worry give it a shot

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Hey all. Been lurking aroung here for awhile so I just wanted to say hello and get some feedback. I’m on day 10, looking foward to this weekends carb up! Here is what I am eating, any advice?

6 Egglands Best Eggs
1 tbls Coconut Oil
1/2 Cup Cheddar
1 cup shitake mushroom
1 cup spinach
3 x Fish oil cap(1000mg)

8oz Ribeye
1 cup shitake mushroom
3 cup spinach
2 tbls Olive Oil
3 x Fish oil cap(1000mg)

Salmon Filet
1 cup spinach
1 med. avacado
1 cup broccoli
2 tbls Olive Oil
Coromega Packet

ON ProComplex Shake

1 cup Cottage Cheese
2 tbls. Gound Flax Seeds
1/4 cup Almonds

Fat-225g
CHO-82g(51g Fiber)
Protein-258g
3331cals

This all on point?

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Hey. the mousse is great, but had a couple of problems early on… Used soy protein powder that i had sitting about. Kind of tasted like mud, and really horrible mud at that. Other problem was overblending and ending up with an emulsion of butter in chocolate water… Be gentle with the blender!!!

Training is pretty basic, and thinking of changing it up soonish, cos have used the same sort of rep range for a long time now, although I am still progressing pretty well…

M: Chest. Warmups, then 2-3 heavy sets flat bench, maybe 4-6 reps
Incine dumbells heavy as i can for 3x6-8 and then if i’m
excited maybe a set of cable crosses to get some blood going
or maybe flyes
Triceps 2x8 of each : skull crushers, close grip bench, pushdown
T: Back Deadlifts, warmups then 3x4-5
Bent Rows : 3x6
Couple of different cable exercises

W:Off
Th: Legs : no squat cage at the moment :frowning: so Hack squats, 3x8, leg
press 3x10, stiff leg deadlift 2x10. Calves 3x15
Fri: Shoulders and Biceps: Just sort of random things amounting to
2 exercises of 3 sets for shoulders and 3 exercise of 2 sets
for biceps

Nothing scientific about it, just feels pretty reasonable

Richie

[quote]Ad B wrote:
sounds awesome Richie. glad to hear all the improvements you’ve witnessed, especially as your about 3 weeks in front of me on the diet.

meals look solid and loving the sound of tht chocolate mouse :stuck_out_tongue:

whats your training look like mate?[/quote]

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[quote]bartender wrote:
Hey all. Been lurking aroung here for awhile so I just wanted to say hello and get some feedback. I’m on day 10, looking foward to this weekends carb up! Here is what I am eating, any advice?

6 Egglands Best Eggs
1 tbls Coconut Oil
1/2 Cup Cheddar
1 cup shitake mushroom
1 cup spinach
3 x Fish oil cap(1000mg)

8oz Ribeye
1 cup shitake mushroom
3 cup spinach
2 tbls Olive Oil
3 x Fish oil cap(1000mg)

Salmon Filet
1 cup spinach
1 med. avacado
1 cup broccoli
2 tbls Olive Oil
Coromega Packet

ON ProComplex Shake

1 cup Cottage Cheese
2 tbls. Gound Flax Seeds
1/4 cup Almonds

Fat-225g
CHO-82g(51g Fiber)
Protein-258g
3331cals

This all on point?

[/quote]
i would just say more then perfect right on track dude

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Steamed Broccoli covered in EVOO with a fat chicken breast on top of it is the best meal ever…how,richo,you would deny your green veggies is beyond me…to each his own i guess, hope you come around.:slight_smile:

Best of luck

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[quote]richo1980 wrote:
:slight_smile: Never been a big fan of veggies, but yeah, point taken, there’s not many there. Do 2 Centrum count?? :slight_smile: This was prob a particularly bad day for vegies, but that said, have been reading about the “Inuit Paradox” and the diets of Australian Aborigines, and have become less persuaded of the benefits of vegetables… [/quote]

Not going to get into an argument with you about this, Richie! :smiley:

I don’t know about the Australians, but the Inuit did eat vegetables, in the form of seaweed, and stocked up on berries and other green stuffs during their short Summers. Granted, they didn’t eat a lot of vegetables or fruits. In any case, although the Inuit didn’t suffer from heart disease, they did suffer from higher rates of stroke, and I think arthritis.

Scurvy arises from a lack of vitamin C, which is found is red/orange vegetables and fruits. This, I think, is major proof that the human animal is an omnivore: we can obtain vitamins A, B, D, E (and K?) from animal meats and fats, but we need to eat fruits and/or vegetables to get our required vitamin C.

Just imagine I’m your mum telling you off :wink:

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[quote]raviraj wrote:
more then anything this was a diet mainly made for fat loss and preserve lean mass while doing so u are on the right track dont worry give it a shot[/quote]

I know this is a minor detail, but I think it needs to be restated. This diet was made as a muscle-GAINING diet, while simultaneously keeping fat gain to a minimum. It still is a very effective weight-loss tool, but that is not its intended purpose.

/anal semantic nitpicking

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Question for Hagar. I noticed in one of your previous posts that you transitioned to the Anabolic Diet from the Body Opus Diet. I am doing the same thing right now after being on Body Opus for 4 weeks. I’ve always been a big fan of Body Opus, always gave me the quickest and most fat loss with the least amount of muscle loss. My questions for you are how does the Anabolic Diet compare to Body Opus in this respect for you? I think Brant Drake already mentioned it’s more of a lean mass gain diet but I wanted to see your experience between the two.

I also still have about 6-8lbs of fat to lose in 5 weeks (trying to hit 6-7% for a trip) should I even bother switching over or keep doing what I’m doing. Also am I fat adapted since I didn’t go for 12 days straight on low carbs but instead did a series of 5 and 2. My last question is other than the 30gms of carbs a day and not going into ketosis I don’t really see a great difference in this diet and Body Opus.

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The Australian aborigines did eat some fruits/non-animal products, but it seems to me without great regularity, in some seasons, quite a lot, others, not so much. I kind of figure with weekends (where i am a lot more likely to eat “normal” meals and getting some vegetation there) that it would be no major stress, not going much during the week.

I am sure you are all probably right, and the vegies would do good, but i’m not real into them. Thanks for concern regarding this though, good to know you all care :slight_smile: Guess the last thing we need is an ADer dropping dead and making people think it is unsafe…

…now Mum, its my life, let me do what i want with it :wink:

take care,

Richie

[quote]Miserere wrote:
richo1980 wrote:
:slight_smile: Never been a big fan of veggies, but yeah, point taken, there’s not many there. Do 2 Centrum count?? :slight_smile: This was prob a particularly bad day for vegies, but that said, have been reading about the “Inuit Paradox” and the diets of Australian Aborigines, and have become less persuaded of the benefits of vegetables…

Not going to get into an argument with you about this, Richie! :smiley:

I don’t know about the Australians, but the Inuit did eat vegetables, in the form of seaweed, and stocked up on berries and other green stuffs during their short Summers. Granted, they didn’t eat a lot of vegetables or fruits. In any case, although the Inuit didn’t suffer from heart disease, they did suffer from higher rates of stroke, and I think arthritis.

Scurvy arises from a lack of vitamin C, which is found is red/orange vegetables and fruits. This, I think, is major proof that the human animal is an omnivore: we can obtain vitamins A, B, D, E (and K?) from animal meats and fats, but we need to eat fruits and/or vegetables to get our required vitamin C.

Just imagine I’m your mum telling you off ;-)[/quote]

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What is EVOO?? I take it, its something that makes broccoli tasty?? I just really like meat i fuess, and to tell the truth i’ve maybe been using the AD as a bit of an excuse to eat lots of it…

[quote]okokok wrote:
Steamed Broccoli covered in EVOO with a fat chicken breast on top of it is the best meal ever…how,richo,you would deny your green veggies is beyond me…to each his own i guess, hope you come around.:slight_smile:

Best of luck[/quote]

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EVOO = Extra Virgin Olive Oil

Vitamin C cant be stored by the body, so it may be of benefit to make sure you get some source of it ED

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[quote]richo1980 wrote:
What is EVOO?? I take it, its something that makes broccoli tasty?? I just really like meat i fuess, and to tell the truth i’ve maybe been using the AD as a bit of an excuse to eat lots of it…

okokok wrote:
Steamed Broccoli covered in EVOO with a fat chicken breast on top of it is the best meal ever…how,richo,you would deny your green veggies is beyond me…to each his own i guess, hope you come around.:slight_smile:

Best of luck

[/quote]

extra virgin olive oil

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Greetings ADers … I’m ending my fifth day of carnivorous eating and loving it. It’s been all meat, eggs, cheese and fish with a lot of fish oil caps and apart from a bit of lethargy two days ago my workouts haven’t suffered and I came close today to hitting some personal bests squatting and deadlifting at levels I haven’t hit for about a year.

I’ve been lurking on these forums for about five years and while I hardly ever post I read plenty.

I’m curious if anyone else on the AD has any history with GALLSTONES. I’ve noticed a few niggles and I’m not 100% sure if its my gallbladder or perhaps bowel related. I was booked for gallbladder removal about five years ago but undertook a bizarre flush with loads of olive oil and lemon juice – cancelled the surgeon and had little problems since.
I’m picking all the fat (and coffee) I’ve been living on the past week might be behind the niggles.

Anyone got any insight for me??

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Im on day 5 of ad. Just got the book but havent finished yet. I keep seeing people post about waiting till day 12 or 13 to carb load. I have not seen this mentioned in the book, yet, I was under the impression that it was every weekend. I was kinda looin forward to this weekend. So must I wait until day 12?

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[quote]TGordo wrote:
Im on day 5 of ad. Just got the book but havent finished yet. I keep seeing people post about waiting till day 12 or 13 to carb load. I have not seen this mentioned in the book, yet, I was under the impression that it was every weekend. I was kinda looin forward to this weekend. So must I wait until day 12?[/quote]

simply put yes. all of us didnt screw up with doin 12 days so i bet itll be just right for you

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TGordo: There are various editions of the AD book floating around, so depending on which one you have you’ll be told to go through a 12 day introductory phase, or not.

If you’re transitioning from a high-carb lifestyle, then a 12 day introduction is probably the best option, as it will kick-start your fat-burning capabilities. On the other hand, if you’ve been on Atkins for the past year, then 5 days is all you need.

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Good to go. Thanks to the both of ya.

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so tomorrow is day 14 (started early) and i start my first carb up. im not craving anything too badly.

the ONE major thing that sucks for me is I cant drink cream or eat any cheese ordairy product! I am allergic and i get congested quite badly. i really LOVE cheese in my eggs and cream in my shakes but I just cant do it.

Sucks!

all eggs, meat and protein powder for me.

but whew first 13 daysover

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Ok sounds good, thanks for the detailed post UE, much appreciated.

[quote]Underestimated wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
I’ve been on the AD for 2 weeks now. About 3 days in, my body just shut down and my workouts sucked (I’m assuming from the low-carbs), but I’ve recovered and am doing much better now.

My question is: would anyone recommend the AD for fat/weight loss? I’m trying to lose a significant amount of weight, and have lost 22 pounds so far just by cleaning up my diet and exercising hard. I know that essentially your body goes from burning carbs to burning fat, because the carbs are low and that you start to burn fat after a certain amount of time, but would this be recommended for a long-term solution to losing weight?

Any feedback would be much appreicated.

Hey tmoney,

Good to hear things are getting better for you. The beginning can be tough sometimes. It will take a while to get 'er dialed in, but once you do you will see the benefits long term.

Now to answer your question, I personally would recommend this diet long term not only for losing fat, but keeping it off as well along with some lean mass gains to boot. I had tinkered with the AD basically since the inception of this thread(probably about 9 months out of the year from summer of 2005 to last summer{special thanks to Disc Hoss, Il Cazzo, and countless others}), but have been doing the AD consistently since June 18, 2006. I started out at 242 then and I am currently down to 206. I have yet to technically “bulk”, but I have definitely gained some LBM just by hitting maintenance cals and Jacking up the weekend cals sometimes. That may not seem all that great, but I feel and look better for it and have learned alot in the process.

The main thing with this diet is time. Time to adapt. Time to adjust(cals., training, etc). This isn’t really a diet in my opinion. It’s a lifestyle. If done properly it is a HEALTHY lifestyle. Choices distinguish that. I mean Slim Jims, Oscar Meyer, Burger King(w/o the bun) ect. are options on the AD, but steak, chicken, salad, nuts, eggs, steak, fish, olive oil, fish oils, cheese, and steak(here I go again) among others are better options.

Best of luck,

UE

Sidenote: When it gets to bulking, as I hope to get to in the next two months, then you should head over to Hagar’s house. Congrats on the numbers bro. [/quote]